10th Anni of Phantom Menace

[madmarva]

It's been 10 years since Phantom Menace opened.

Worth noting?

Time does get by.

[Mikey]

This is one movie that didn't improve with age.

I still hate it just as much as I did 10 years ago :smiley1:

[toys2cool]

It's still one of my favorite movies of all time :grin:

[UnderdogDJLSW]

Boy, time seems to move fast these days. I remember in '87 when Star Wars was 10 years old and thinking that had been a long time.

[kryptosmaster]

Time for the Special Edition.
Now with more Jar-Jar.
:smiley1:
Rich

[Brazoo]

10 years! I hate that movie even more now - I don't think I've ever felt so old!

[huedell]

When I watched it the first time I blocked out the irritating parts
(mostly via JJ and young Ani) as they appeared (I was so psyched just
to be seeing a new SW movie).

I left the theatre quite exhilirated.

It didn't take long for me to realize that I had oversold the movie to myself.

Still,
I look back on the movie fondly for what I DID like about it---
Obi, Qui Gon and the whole Jedi group patrolling the galaxy,
as well as a glance at a young Palpatine/Sidious.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY EPISODE ONE!

[vulcan2074]

I Like Darth Maul, but thats about it. Damn time flies by. Were almost halfway through this year :beaming1:
Sammy

[kennermike]

It sucked 10 years ago and it sucks even more today!

[Hector]

I Like Darth Maul, but thats about it. Damn time flies by. Were almost halfway through this year :beaming1:
Sammy

Ditto.

I love the character of Darth Maul...but the rest...bleh.

Dayum...it has been 10 years already???

:terror:

[The Bat]

Doesn't any have a Copy of the "Fan Edit" of this Film(Attack of the Phantom)?? Amost all of Jar Jar's sceens are cut...and when he is in it, he speakes in an Alien Language with subtitles.

Love to get my hands on a Copy of it!:wink:

[madmarva]

While I agree, it's a terribly flawed movie and flawed trilogy. I actually liked the political aspects of the movie and how crafty Palpatine was in duping everyone so he could seize power in the Senate and basically turn a republic into a dictator shape — shades of Ceasar and more specifically Hitler. It's worth to point out that we should be wary of power and question its intentions. There's a lot of good stuff in it, but a lot of crap, too.

But the second trilogy is a clear lesson in being careful about what you wish for.

[Mikey]

The first trilogy was fun for fun's sake
That why everyone loved it.

The second trilogy was totally different.
It was endless explanations and details -- powdered with what Lucas thought was a bit of the old fun formula.

It didn't work because it was made to appeal to Star Wars fans.

[toys2cool]

I remember skipping school my senior year to go watch it :grin:

It was successful,just look at how much money it did :grin:

[Gorn Captain]

I hope Jar Jar and Darth Maul get their own spin-off show together.
It'll be a million laughs!

"At last, we will have our revenge of the Jedi!"
"Meesa happy to see Ani again, too!"
"We will destroy them all!"
"Meesa also happy to see nice Mr. Palpatine again!"

Sound of light saber cutting someone in half.

End of pilot episode......

[MysteryWho]

This for you toys2cool.
YouTube - Mr. Show - More money equals better than (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo)
:grin:

[wolfie]

It is difficult to believe that it has been 10 years, what have we done in all that time that is worth remembering?

All us fun loving types love Jar Jar. :silly:

[toys2cool]

This for you toys2cool.
YouTube - Mr. Show - More money equals better than (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo)
:grin:

lol :smiley1:

[palitoy]

When it came out on VHS, my wife bought it because she liked the fight at the end. I taped an epsiode of "Justice League" over it a couple of years later at her request.

Now my son wants to see it, he asked me last night actually and it feels weird to go and rent a movie I hate.

[MIB41]

I have an idea. For it's tenth anniversary let's transfer the original copy to flammable nitrate stock. :silly:

[Earth 2 Chris]

I was never a diehard Star Wars fan, but I was looking forward to seeing it. Took my nephew to see it and fondly remember buying cheap lightsabers and playing with him afterwards. The movie didn't hold up nearly as well as the memory. There are several things that are so right, but so much that is so wrong. Jar Jar, little Anni and his wooden acting, and Queen Amidalla/Padme's stilted dialog.

Chris

[Galen]

There are alot of people hating on this movie? Why? I want to see you make a better one...I don't really like it...But it's WAY better than episode II....Episode III was the best in the 2nd Trilogy.

[ctc]

>I look back on the movie fondly for what I DID like about it---
Obi, Qui Gon and the whole Jedi group patrolling the galaxy,
as well as a glance at a young Palpatine/Sidious.

....and them spinning shield-equipped droids of death! WOOOOO!!!!!

>I want to see you make a better one...

I'd love to; but nobody'll front me 50 mil. (I could do it for 5, but I got a mortgage....)

Don C.

[MIB41]

There are alot of people hating on this movie? Why? I want to see you make a better one...I don't really like it...But it's WAY better than episode II....Episode III was the best in the 2nd Trilogy.

I think the average fan of the series or novels could have scripted a superior story than what Lucas came up with. He took alot for granted with the Star Wars label and has since said as much. By the time 'Sith' came around he had Spielberg helping him with the script. I think that speaks volumes for the rest.

[Hotfoot]

Jar Jar Binks

The Rodney Dangerfield of Star Wars.

Me Sa Get No Respect!

[toys2cool]

When it came out on VHS, my wife bought it because she liked the fight at the end. I taped an epsiode of "Justice League" over it a couple of years later at her request.

Now my son wants to see it, he asked me last night actually and it feels weird to go and rent a movie I hate.

Hey Brian if you have a VHS player I could send you a SE copy sealed ;)

[toys2cool]

I don't get it,when this first came out,you had Star wars fans watching this like 5 & 10 times at the movies....what made all those fans change their minds ?

[kennermike]

Lucas needs to redeem himself in a big way he's heading the right way with writting and Producing Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal skull which was one of the few films I actually liked last year and maybe we will see a turn around when the live action Star Wars show hit in two years .

[goldenryan]

This for you toys2cool.
YouTube - Mr. Show - More money equals better than (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo)
:grin:

big mr. show fan here.

[Hector]

The Trade Federation dudes, speaking in that awful "yellow peril" accent...was borderline racist imo.

[jwyblejr]

I'm trying to figure out why MTV is airing this.

[BlackKnight]

I don't mind the Movie so Much...
I do Understand All the "Hate".
It's Funny,.. I just watched Fan Boys..., They illude to a lot of the Hate with the Movie... :smiley1:
I for the Most part Coulda Lived without Jar Jar as Well,.. No Problem with Anikan,.. & Feel Portman's Acting was more Terrible than Jar Jar's BS . But really did enjoy what the Rest of the Film Had to Offer.
All in All,.. I liked the Movie Somewhat..., but when It did come out,.. I believe I was More So Jazzed About all the New Star Wars Toys... It was right before I re-Discovered Mego,.. & I personally Hadn't collected anything in Yrs.... , Since the BTAS ... It Started the Madness All Over....

[Mikey]

Lucas seems to surround himself with bad actors.

[The Bat]

So...I guess nobody has a Copy of the "Phantom Edit"? Too bad...I hear it's a real improvement. I think the Guy that did it was Professional Editor..:please_y:

[toys2cool]

I don't mind the Movie so Much...
I do Understand All the "Hate".
It's Funny,.. I just watched Fan Boys..., They illude to a lot of the Hate with the Movie... :smiley1:
I for the Most part Coulda Lived without Jar Jar as Well,.. No Problem with Anikan,.. & Feel Portman's Acting was more Terrible than Jar Jar's BS . But really did enjoy what the Rest of the Film Had to Offer.
All in All,.. I liked the Movie Somewhat..., but when It did come out,.. I believe I was More So Jazzed About all the New Star Wars Toys... It was right before I re-Discovered Mego,.. & I personally Hadn't collected anything in Yrs.... , Since the BTAS ... It Started the Madness All Over....

it got me started on collecting again as well :grin: ,I remember my little brother running home...hey Damian come check out the Star Wars at K-mart!! I got hooked,I actually still have all of my Episode 1 fig's

[johnmiic]

It makes me think how little of this triliogy was plotted ahead of time and it was really all hot off the presses.They should'a had so many hints and sub-plots regarding Qui-Gon's attmpts to contact the living or at least saved his death for Ep II. They should'a inserted a ghostly Qui-Gon at the end the double-special edition of ROTJ. Instead they inserted Hayden Christensen into that ghostly dead Jedi scene. Maybe Lucas could've also inserted Carl Weathers as Chubbs Peterson, Abraham Lincoln and an alligator.

[saildog]

Maybe Lucas could've also inserted Carl Weathers as Chubbs Peterson, Abraham Lincoln and an alligator.

:smiley1: LMAO!!!!!!!

[darklord1967]

I actually felt numb on opening day after I saw THE PHANTOM MENACE. To me, it didn't quite feel like a STAR WARS film, and I felt like there was some departure from the STAR WARS formula.

Like Hector, I initially had a strong reaction to the accents of the Gungan's and Nemoidian's dialogue, feeling that they were somewhat inappropriate for STAR WARS and "borderline racist". But then I quickly realized that the use of dialects / accents was actually quite commonplace in the Original Trilogy, and none of us had an issue with them back then.

That's because the accents / dialects used were (for the most part) anglo-based.

See, in our culture, we have all become so accustomed to Anglo /european-based accents in films as being "the norm", and all other dialects / accents as having a "special use".

All Imperial characters in the OT sounded British. This was intended to audibly create an "arrogant" / "aristocratic" connotation. Was that "racist"? The Rebel Troops in the OT all sounded American. This was to create a connotation of "good". Was this shades of our own prejudice, perhaps? Other dialects / accents were used in the OT as well, with little to no reaction from fans:

The Ewoks of RETURN OF THE JEDI all spoke variations of an old Asian dialect to sound "primitive".

In A NEW HOPE, Greedo spoke a South American Incan dialect known as Cechuan because of how alien and "otherworldly" it sounded.

Lando's co-pilot in EP VI (Nein Numb) spoke an African dialect (and he even wore a funny leather hat and had large lips).

More "racism"?

Taking these things into account, I quickly came to realize that in a galaxy as huge and multi-cultured as the STAR WARS universe, there is NO dialect or accent that is "inappropriate' or "un-acceptable". That type of thinking is probably a by-product of my own "Earthly" hang-ups and prejudices.

With subsequent viewings, Episode I grew on me more and more.

There are some problems with the film, to be sure. But generally, I think it was really well-made and epic.

Happy Birthday Episode I.:yes:

[Brue]

When it came out on VHS, my wife bought it because she liked the fight at the end. I taped an epsiode of "Justice League" over it a couple of years later at her request.

Now my son wants to see it, he asked me last night actually and it feels weird to go and rent a movie I hate.

your son needed to watch it.

you told him it was a train wreck.

it is human nature.

we must stop to see.

[4NDR01D]

[QUOTE=Galen;320661]There are alot of people hating on this movie? Why?QUOTE]

BECAUSE IT SUCKED!!

[toys2cool]

Maybe Lucas could've also inserted Carl Weathers as Chubbs Peterson, Abraham Lincoln and an alligator.

We've only just begun...to live :smiley1:

I wonder what kind of things are in George's Happy place :grin:

[toys2cool]

it might not be what you guys expected but it didn't suck.Did you see any walk out? or did you walk out? When a movie sucks you walk out

[darklord1967]

it might not be what you guys expected but it didn't suck.Did you see any walk out? or did you walk out? When a movie sucks you walk out


Amen, brother.

I'll even go one step further:

I always ask folks who hate Episode I to tell me how many theatrical viewings of the film they attended.

They virtually always admit to attending more than one viewing. Occasionally, they even admit to attending more than two or three viewings!

And then, taking things yet aother step further, when you ask them if they own the film on DVD home video, a surprisingly high percentage of these folks actually do !

I'd say that's not too shabby for a movie that everyone hates.

[4NDR01D]

Amen, brother.

I'll even go one step further:

I always ask folks who hate Episode I to tell me how many theatrical viewings of the film they attended.

They virtually always admit to attending more than one viewing. Occasionally, they even admit to attending more than two or three viewings!

And then, taking things yet aother step further, when you ask them if they own the film on DVD home video, a surprisingly high percentage of these folks actually do !

I'd say that's not too shabby for a movie that everyone hates.


:embarassed::embarassed::embarassed::embarassed::e mbarassed:OK, OK!!
I admit it, I saw it twice. But can we agree that Jar-jar sucked?:please_y:

[goldenryan]

liam neeson was good as qui-gon jin and darth maul was cool but not a great film by any means.

[Hector]

Like Hector, I initially had a strong reaction to the accents of the Gungan's and Nemoidian's dialogue, feeling that they were somewhat inappropriate for STAR WARS and "borderline racist".

Notice them in the last flick of the new trilogy...they no longer speak with the "yellow peril" accents.

[Hector]

it might not be what you guys expected but it didn't suck.Did you see any walk out? or did you walk out? When a movie sucks you walk out

I didn't walk out because I went with a bunch of friends...and we were going to get pizza and beer afterwards.

:smiley1:

[Hector]

Yes...it sucked major donkey testicles.

:smiley1:

[Gorn Captain]

:embarassed::embarassed::embarassed::embarassed::e mbarassed:OK, OK!!
I admit it, I saw it twice. But can we agree that Jar-jar sucked?:please_y:

In a couple of hundred years, Jar Jar will get the appreciation he so justly deserves.......
Meesa sure of that.....

[Hector]

Amen, brother.

I'll even go one step further:

I always ask folks who hate Episode I to tell me how many theatrical viewings of the film they attended.

They virtually always admit to attending more than one viewing. Occasionally, they even admit to attending more than two or three viewings!

And then, taking things yet aother step further, when you ask them if they own the film on DVD home video, a surprisingly high percentage of these folks actually do !

I'd say that's not too shabby for a movie that everyone hates.

I've only seen it once in its entirety...although I admit...I seen the Darth Maul/Qui Gon/Obi Wan lightsaber duel on cable a few times (the ONLY scene worth a damn)...although I truly HATE the back and forth editing during the duel. The other useless scenes during the duel are just plain annoying...stupid Padame compound shoot out, stupid Anakin kid vs Trade Federation station shootout, and stupid Jar Jars vs Droids shootouts, good grief, can't watch this stuff without getting irritated.

I wish Lucas would've just done a stand alone duel...with absolutely NO switching back and forth to the other annoying scenes. Just the duel, Lucas...just the duel....like this...

YouTube - Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Maul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLXwrj7i7Q)

See...as a stand alone scene...it flows beautifully.

Damn you, Lucas, damn you...

:wall:

[Gorn Captain]

I wish Lucas would've just done a stand alone duel...with absolutely NO switching back and forth to the other annoying scenes. Just the duel, Lucas...just the duel.

Perhaps you can edit the duel on a DVD-R?
And just watch that bit?:wink:

[Hector]

Perhaps you can edit the duel on a DVD-R?
And just watch that bit?:wink:

See link above (I added a few more things...read again).

:grin:

[darklord1967]

See link above (I added a few more things...read again).

:grin:


Hmm... To me, the edit transitions in that link are very jarring. A kinetic, high-energy scene like that should NOT use dissolves as scene transitions. They should be straight cuts.

[toystalker]

yeah i saw the film 3 times in the cinema... in one day lol

i was on local radio for doing that, when i came out from the 3rd screening the local radio station was there to interview me

worse part about my whole experience was the 1st showing... the showing that had caused so much anticipation and wait for broke down half way through, we had a 15 min blackout... the managers gave us all 2 free tickets so i stayed in another 2 sittings

i had sore bum i can tell you

the film did not get any better and yes the flaws and story line errors got clearer but i still enjoyed every in a galaxy far far away minute of it

[toys2cool]

Yes...it sucked major donkey testicles.

:smiley1:

lol! ok :smiley1:

[Hector]

Hmm... To me, the edit transitions in that link are very jarring. A kinetic, high-energy scene like that should NOT use dissolves as scene transitions. They should be straight cuts.

I'm not talking about that youtube fan edited link (that was just posted as an example of a stand alone scene)...I'm talking about taking out the other annoying scenes...nothing but poo-poo soiling the great lightsaber duel.

:smiley1:

[VintageMike]

Being a huge Star Wars fan this was one of the few times I did the midnight showing thing. Of course I regretted it! But despite everything wrong it was cool to see the opening, lightsabers and things like that on the big screen again.

[mego73]

My feelings about Phantom Menace is it basically was the only prequel movie that emulated the spirit of the original Star Wars (though it's not better than Star Wars, of course). It was innocent fun, showing us remarkably imagined worlds and taking us for a good ride. Jar Jar was a bit annoying, but he didn't spoil the movie for me.

The die hards, the fans that have been there since 1977 or at least decades have built (with the help of Lucas and 2 followup movies, comics, books, etc) a monumental lore (just like Star Trek) on top of what was, in the beginning, simply one of the best, escapist, popcorn movies ever made. Adults could enjoy it but it *really* spoke to children. It grabbed on to the children's imagination and didn't let go.

Those children are the die hard fans of today and they wanted from the prequels something that satisfied all the lore they generated from the Star Wars universe. Lore that goes way beyond the capabilities of even the original movie.

But when Lucas made The Phantom Menace, he wanted to make a movie that did the same thing that the original did. He wanted to make a monumental, iconic film that spawned a loyal following in the younger generation first and foremost. He knew it was a losing proposition to try to make the movies to satisfy the diehards primarily. For many of them, the combination of lore, adult action embellishments and other expectations he had to satisfy them with would be a very hard equation to find.

He knew that trying to get a die hard to feel the same way they felt when they saw Star Wars at 10 years old, only it now has to be done through the sensibilities of someone 20 years older was a no win proposition, unless the die hard could remember to look at his movie through 10 year old eyes.

So, he made these movies to give the 90's kid generation an experience like the 1970's kid generation had when they saw Star Wars.

Did he succeed?

If Star Wars is still talked about 20 years from now by 20-30 somethings, you will know the prequels did their job.

I really liked TPM myself because I knew what spirit to watch it in. I liked it in my own way but what I liked more is looking around to all the preteens and almost teens in the audience and they seem to dig it.

[darklord1967]

Well said, buddy. Well said! :wink:

[Brue]

it might not be what you guys expected but it didn't suck.Did you see any walk out? or did you walk out? When a movie sucks you walk out

I stayed til the end because I so wanted it not to suck. i shoulda walked out. I wasted time as well as my money.

many point to jar jar as teh culprit. he is merely the tip of the ice berg.

bad, overused cgi
a plot about tax evasion
jake loyd
dialogue
script
immaculate conception
the force is a virus?
shimi
the robot bad guys
just about everything was bad about this movie

the worst part was that it trashed the story that we loved. It basically ignored the story of Star Wars and created a lees imaginitive back story.

[toys2cool]

w/e love it or hate it...It was a successful film

[Hector]

I stayed til the end because I so wanted it not to suck. i shoulda walked out. I wasted time as well as my money.

many point to jar jar as teh culprit. he is merely the tip of the ice berg.

bad, overused cgi
a plot about tax evasion
jake loyd
dialogue
script
immaculate conception
the force is a virus?
shimi
the robot bad guys
just about everything was bad about this movie

the worst part was that it trashed the story that we loved. It basically ignored the story of Star Wars and created a lees imaginitive back story.

Touché and amen, brother.

:yes: :grin:

[Mikey]

Another thing I hated about the Phantom Anus

That damn pod race seemed to have lasted half the movie

[Hector]

Another thing I hated about the Phantom Anus

That damn pod race seemed to have lasted half the movie

I hated the stupid Saturday Morning cartoon-like play-by-play announcing during the pod race as well...good grief.

[jds1911a1]

I hated the stupid Saturday Morning cartoon-like play-by-play announcing during the pod race as well...good grief.

actually it was nascar like announcing which I guess is really based on the NFL anouncing. If they had used a southern voice instead of Greg poops (bob the builder for those with little kids) It would have been more apparent

[darklord1967]

I stayed til the end because I so wanted it not to suck. i shoulda walked out. I wasted time as well as my money.

many point to jar jar as teh culprit. he is merely the tip of the ice berg.

bad, overused cgi

The art form was still relatively new at the time, but for the most part, the FX in The Phantom Menace look GREAT: Pod Race Sequence, three-way Lightsaber battle, Space Battle, Coruscant... all of it CGI. The Gungan Land battle definitely looked too... CGI, though.


a plot about tax evasion

The plot was NOT about "tax evasion". It was about Senator Palpatine of Naboo (secretly Sith Lord Darth Sidious) making himself look like a hero in the eyes of the Senate as he defended his blockaded / invaded planet. When nominations for Supreme Chancellor came up, naturally the vote would go to him.

It was also an introduction to the Jedi Knights of the Old Republic and the discovery of Anakin Skywalker... very possibly the "chosen one" of Jedi prophecy.



jake loyd

Yes. Some difficult acting moments there. Some even clumsier directing by George Lucas.


dialogue

Dialogue has always been a bit corny in STAR WARS (Re: "Laugh it up fuzzball", etc.) That didn't bother me.


script

Yes, quite possibly the most elaborate and adult STAR WARS script of all the movies, dealing with politics, political plotting, metaphysics, etc.


immaculate conception

Hmmm... well, I had no issue with the idea of Anakin having an immaculate conception since STAR WARS has always tied into religious themes. But would you have been more comfortable if it had been revealed that Anakin's dad was just some slave Joe-Blow from Tatooine?



the force is a virus?

No. The Force is NOT a virus. And the prequel films did NOT explain it as such.

The Force is still (as Obi-Wan Kenobi described it) "... an energy field created by all living things..." that "... surrounds us and penetrates us..." and "... binds the galaxy together..."

But what the Prequels clarified was that ALL individuals have microscopic life forms living within them (Midi-chlorians) that serve as the person's link TO the Force. These organisms continuously "speak" to the individual, revealing the Force's "will" for them.

Individuals with a higher Midi-chlorian count have a greater sensitivity to the will of The mystical Force.



shimi

???? What's your issue with her? She was fine. DId you have an issue with Luke's Aunt Beru during A NEW HOPE? She basically served the same story function as Shmi.



the robot bad guys

Yeah. The Battle Droids were a bit corny (even for STAR WARS). They were clunky and ineffective (I guess they were supposed to be), and their preoccupation with someone named "Roger" was a bit off-putting. But the other droids throughout the film were pretty cool. I particularly liked the dangerous, fast-rolling Droidekas! Very interesting concept.


just about everything was bad about this movie

To each his own, I guess. To me, just about everything was good about this movie (with a few notable exceptions). I feel the same way about every film I really like... certainly the classic Original Trilogy.



the worst part was that it trashed the story that we loved. It basically ignored the story of Star Wars and created a lees imaginitive back story.

How? How did Episode I "trash" the classic OT story? How did it "ignore" the classic OT story?

From where I sit, the brilliance of the Prequel films was that they gave you a different perspective of the stuff you thought you knew from the Original Trilogy. The Prequels turned some OT concepts on their ear a bit without "trashing" or even contradicting them (unless you consider some of the stuff that old Kenobi said in the OT from his own "... point of view..." Clearly, that dude is a bit of a liar, liar pants on fire. :wink_y:).

If you own the 1976 novelization of STAR WARS, and if you read the prologue at the beginning of the book, Palpatine's rise to power is chronicled virtually in the same way that it was depicted in the prequel films.

In fact, it's the first and only source that names Palpatine during the OT. virtually all other references (even the classic films themselves) refer to him as simply "The Emperor".

[darklord1967]

w/e love it or hate it...It was a successful film

Amen brother. Amen!!

A movie does NOT take in $924,317,558 worldwide unless a WHOLE lotta folks are seeing it multiple times.

Again. Not too shabby for a movie that "sucks".

[darklord1967]

Another thing I hated about the Phantom Anus

That damn pod race seemed to have lasted half the movie

Well... did you have a similar issue while watching the painfully long and dull V'ger sequence from STAR TREK: The Motion Sickness?

[MIB41]

The Star Wars movies as seen by...Oscar:

Star Wars: A New Hope (1977)

Best Art Direction, Best Costume design, Best Editing, Best Original score, Best sound, Best Visual Effects, Special Achievement.

Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back (1980)

Best sound, Special achievement

Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983)

Special achievement

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (1999)

...:please_y:...NADDA...

Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (2002)

...NADDA Pt II :sarky:...I smell a trend

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

...NADDA d*mn thing PT III...

[Brue]

Another thing I hated about the Phantom Anus

That damn pod race seemed to have lasted half the movie

i was thinking i would die during it.

it was like watching your older brother/friend play a video game while you wait an eternity for your turn that never comes

[mitchedwards]

I saw it at a 4AM sneak peak. I fell asleep about halfway into the movie.

[jds1911a1]

The plot was NOT about "tax evasion". It was about Senator Palpatine of Naboo (secretly Sith Lord Darth Sidious) making himself look like a hero in the eyes of the Senate as he defended his blockaded / invaded planet. When nominations for Supreme Chancellor came up, naturally the vote would go to him.

If you own the 1976 novelization of STAR WARS, and if you read the prologue at the beginning of the book, Palpatine's rise to power is chronicled virtually in the same way that it was depicted in the prequel films.

In fact, it's the first and only source that names Palpatine during the OT. virtually all other references (even the classic films themselves) refer to him as simply "The Emperor".

I didn't know the emporer's name before I saw TPM but as soom as he came on screen I said "hey the emporer". I later found out Kenner had made the name commonly known 2 years earlier with the power of the force figures
Rebelscum.com: Star Wars Power of the Force 2 Photo Archives (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2emperor.asp)

now my daughter (who 13 then) never figured it out right till he is exposed in ROTS but she only saw ROTJ a couple times on video as opposed to the old man who watched them hundreds of times

not sure if that was humor or not but ROGER ROGER is a riff on the military response for "i understand" which is ROGER

[Hector]

Amen brother. Amen!!



Stop stealing my lines.

:smiley1:

[Hector]

Well... did you have a similar issue while watching the painfully long and dull V'ger sequence from STAR TREK: The Motion Sickness?

I'll take that over the new trilogy plus a trillion.

STMP was realistic sci-fi...the new trilogy was romper room garbage.

:grin:

[Hector]

i was thinking i would die during it.

it was like watching your older brother/friend play a video game while you wait an eternity for your turn that never comes

Dude...that's funny, lol...

:smiley1:

[kingdom warrior]

Funny when I went to see it I fell asleep on it cause it sucked so bad....I rented it awhile back for my son and fell asleep again on it.......Great movie to have if you can't sleep!:smiley1:

[Mikey]

When I seen it in the theatre I had to pizz real bad about half way through

I got up and did my thing

On the way back, I was seriously considering just leaving then and there

I thought, why am I wasting my time watching this turd ?

[Hector]

When I seen it in the theatre I had to pizz real bad about half way through

I got up and did my thing

On the way back, I was seriously considering just leaving then and there

I thought, why am I wasting my time watching this turd ?

Taking a dump...and watching you own turd floating...would've been more exciting than finish watching the Phantom Menace.

:smiley1:

[toys2cool]

I'd take Episode 1 over any Star Trek film any day ,except the new cause I haven't seen that one

[Hector]

You take the Phantom Menace over the Wrath of Khan?

Are you mental?

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

[toys2cool]

You take the Phantom Menace over the Wrath of Khan?

Are you mental?

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

lol! I'm telling you, Episode 1 is one of my top movies of all time. I just love that movie :grin:

[Mikey]

Phantom Menace is like a really ugly chick with a great body.

I would do her, but she's gotta be wearing the paper bag.

What do I mean by that ?

I have no idea :smiley1:

[Nostalgiabuff]

I liked this movie. Yes. Jar Jar and little Annie could be a bit annoying but the movie over all was really good. When I went to see this in the theater it was probably the closest thing to a religeous experience I could get...LOL
the lightsaber duel at the end is classic.

[Mikey]

I hated the double sided light sabres

They were too modern ...

Not modern in the movie context, modern meaning they seemed very 90's chic

Hated them

[toys2cool]

I think it's more of an age thing, all my friends loved it as well. So I guess the younger generation appreciates it more

[Mikey]

The younger generation wouldn't know their asses from a hole in the ground :smiley1:

[Hector]

:smiley1:

[darklord1967]

You take the Phantom Menace over the Wrath of Khan?

Are you mental?

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:



I, for one, think that STAR TREK II: The Wrath of Khan is a colossal SNORE.

The film does not date well at all, and it is far too talky for its own good: "... yak, yak, yak, Spock...yak, yak, yak, Kobiashi Maru... yak, yak, yak Mr. Savik... yak, yak, yak USS Reliant... Regula One... Genesis Device"

Sheesh... I'm getting drowsy just writing that!

You may call me "mental" Hector, but I would GLADLY sit through 10 viewings of STAR WARS Episode I: The Phantom Menace than be subjected to more sleepy STAR TREK movie adventures.

This is why I LOVE the latest TREK film so much. It finally smashed FOREVER the "let's see how talky and dull we can make this latest TREK movie" formula. Interestingly enough, JJ Abrams (by his own admission) was always more of a STAR WARS fan than a TREK fan.

The result is that now TREK actually has a chance of being accessible and appealing to a wider audience. This means more success at the box office.

Yes, yes, I can hear some of you now saying "financial success is not a true measure of how good a movie is."

Whatever. But it IS a measure of how universally popular a film is.

Poo-Poo financial success all you want. The truth is, movies are a business venture with a goal of turning a profit. STAR TREK films (including ST II: TWOK) have consistently failed to do this for Paramount.

Die hard fans have consistently refused to support TREK films to make them hugely successful. Interestingly enough, this is the very same camp that refuses to support even the latest awesome TREK film.

I'm not surprised.

The exact opposite can be seen in STAR WARS fans and their support of the franchise. One needs only look at the Box office totals.

When a STAR WARS film "bombs" with the fans, it takes in an average of about 700 - 900 million (worldwide) at the box office.

When a STAR TREK film "bombs" with fans, it's lucky if it takes in $200 million worldwide (usually considerably less).:grin:

Hateful trashing of Episode I now resumes...

[Hector]

I, for one, think that STAR TREK II: The Wrath of Khan is a colossal SNORE.

I stopped reading after this....you can keep posting until you turn blue...you just lost a billion points in my book with that looney statement, lol...

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

[toys2cool]

The younger generation wouldn't know their asses from a hole in the ground :smiley1:

lol! you guys are just still stuck in the 70's, it's over man get over it and move on :smiley1:

There's a whole new world beyond the original Star trek,Beatles and Tony Orlando, if only you'd give it a chance

Like with the New Star Trek film,everyone was quick to judge and say it would be Garbage and now everyone's eating their words :grin:

[mego73]

I, for one, think that STAR TREK II: The Wrath of Khan is a colossal SNORE.

The film does not date well at all, and it is far too talky for its own good: "... yak, yak, yak, Spock...yak, yak, yak, Kobiashi Maru... yak, yak, yak Mr. Savik... yak, yak, yak USS Reliant... Regula One... Genesis Device"

Sheesh... I'm getting drowsy just writing that!

You may call me "mental" Hector, but I would GLADLY sit through 10 viewings of STAR WARS Episode I: The Phantom Menace than be subjected to more sleepy STAR TREK movie adventures.

This is why I LOVE the latest TREK film so much. It finally smashed FOREVER the "let's see how talky and dull we can make this latest TREK movie" formula. Interestingly enough, JJ Abrams (by his own admission) was always more of a STAR WARS fan than a TREK fan.

The result is that now TREK actually has a chance of being accessible and appealing to a wider audience. This means more success at the box office.

Yes, yes, I can hear some of you now saying "financial success is not a true measure of how good a movie is."

Whatever. But it IS a measure of how universally popular a film is.

Poo-Poo financial success all you want. The truth is, movies are a business venture with a goal of turning a profit. STAR TREK films (including ST II: TWOK) have consistently failed to do this for Paramount.

Die hard fans have consistently refused to support TREK films to make them hugely successful. Interestingly enough, this is the very same camp that refuses to support even the latest awesome TREK film.

I'm not surprised.

The exact opposite can be seen in STAR WARS fans and their support of the franchise. One needs only look at the Box office totals.

When a STAR WARS film "bombs" with the fans, it takes in an average of about 700 - 900 million (worldwide) at the box office.

When a STAR TREK film "bombs" with fans, it's lucky if it takes in $200 million worldwide (usually considerably less).:grin:

Hateful trashing of Episode I now resumes...

The thing about Star Trek, compared to Star Wars is that it's more flexible. One episode/movie can be an action/adventure, another can be more cerebral, and yet another can be more comedic.

The thing about the movies is the ark they started when they killed off Spock. the ark of getting Spock back up and running dominated the next two movies. Still, especially with Trek 4 they had a measure of success.

But as much as I love the original cast, there is only so much believable action/adventure you could have with a cast ready to sign up for AARP.

I think that affected the mainstream viability of the movies to a certain extent. It took a die hard fan (like me) to overlook the age of the cast (and more so, it was just that we really wanted to see our beloved cast, no matter how old they were). It makes sense to us, the future where it's hinted that turning 100 there is much the same as turning 65 would be today but it became a joke to the average moviegoer to have 60 something Shatner in a scrap with a Klingon.

I always thought Star Trek got shortchanged. First by NBC, who tossed it due to ratings a year or so before demographics started to be used (and if Demo's had been used for Star Trek, it would've been considered a huge hit).

Then, Trek was shortchanged by Paramount all throughout the 1970's by their indecision of responding to the growing Trek fandom by making a new movie or a TV show (except, of course for the animated show, which, as much as I loved it, was not an adequate way to respond to the fandom of the show). Then, Paramount get's it's kick in the arse by Star Wars to give Star Trek it's movie and Star Wars' sloppy seconds (when, if Paramount were on the ball and got Star Trek out 2-3 years earlier they would be the leader of the pack).

The Trek movie, despite it not wowing some of the fans and the public makes tons of money anyway and spawns the movie series with the cast that should've been doing movies through the 1970's instead of the 80's.

The other TV Treks came out, some of them better than others, but none were about Kirk, Spock and McCoy and that always counted against them.

That's why I am so glad to have a new Kirk, Spock and McCoy Trek that works (at least in my opinion, and it could very well have crashed and burned). And they are in a position to do a few more adventures, and I want to see them.

And I think they will be mainstream, like Star Trek was always meant to be.

[Brue]

Like with the New Star Trek film,everyone was quick to judge and say it would be Garbage and now everyone's eating their words :grin:

yeah and people thought episode 1 would be great and it sucked

just goes to show-

you can't judge a book by its cover

[ctc]

>now TREK actually has a chance of being accessible and appealing to a wider audience.

Y'know.... I don't think that's a big problem.... there seems to be an endless number of Trekkies out there.

>STAR TREK films (including ST II: TWOK) have consistently failed to do this for Paramount.

But.... they keep making them. I'm thinking they don't do so good at the theater but make up for that in marketing. Thanks to the established Trekkies who will apparently keep buying their movie collection over and over and over....

Don C.

[jds1911a1]

>STAR TREK films (including ST II: TWOK) have consistently failed to do this for Paramount.

But.... they keep making them. I'm thinking they don't do so good at the theater but make up for that in marketing. Thanks to the established Trekkies who will apparently keep buying their movie collection over and over and over....

Don C.[/QUOTE]

Lucas abuses star wars fans just as badly he never seems to have a problem selling the latest repackged dvd set even when nothing was changed (Not even formats).

[darklord1967]

you just lost a billion points in my book with that looney statement, lol...

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:



Wow. Really?? Only a billion?

Well, by my count, I was reasonably certain that I was completely written OUT of your book altogether by the time my anti-beer postings appeared, Hector.

I had no idea that I still had (at least) a billion points worth of credit in your book available to be lost!

You must have liked me. You must have really, really liked me. :smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

Bwah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, h, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[huedell]

>STAR TREK films (including ST II: TWOK) have consistently failed to do this for Paramount.

But.... they keep making them. I'm thinking they don't do so good at the theater but make up for that in marketing. Thanks to the established Trekkies who will apparently keep buying their movie collection over and over and over....

Don C.

Lucas abuses star wars fans just as badly he never seems to have a problem selling the latest repackged dvd set even when nothing was changed (Not even formats).

I don't consider any of this "abuse"---unless of course,
you're saying something about SW/ST fans being mentally challenged
on some level and therefore easily manipulated into buying things
they don't really want
----thats' a whole other can of worms that I won't buy in to.

My thought is the more product that's satiatiing the buyer's fancy---
then that makes more winners and NO one is getting "abused". :cool_y:

[darklord1967]

Y'know.... I don't think that's a big problem.... there seems to be an endless number of Trekkies out there. But.... they keep making them (STAR TREK films). I'm thinking they don't do so good at the theater but make up for that in marketing. Thanks to the established Trekkies who will apparently keep buying their movie collection over and over and over....

Don C.


Oh most definitely there are a large number of Trek fans out there. The trouble is they simply do NOT come out to support their franchise like other fans of other franchises support theirs.

The painful proof is in the box office numbers.

Just look at the performances of all other big fantasy genre movie franchises... (Star Wars, Spiderman, Batman (re-boots), Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones...) all ENORMOUS performers at the box office... and in merchandising tie-ins.

Trek has NEVER performed at even close to their numbers... despite a (purportedly) HUGE world-wide fan following.


As for "marketing" performance (I'm not sure, but I think you meant merchandising), STAR TREK has performed relatively poorly there too.

TREK (movie tie-in) toys always seem to languish on shelves despite how highly-revered a Trek film may be. Even Trek movie collection sales aren't quite what they should be when compared to the sheer number of self-described Trek fans.

Do you want to know what is still one of the single highest-selling DVD movies of ALL-TIME?

STAR WARS: Episode I: The Phantom Menace

[MIB41]

I was wondering how long it would take you guys to bait Darklord into another "heartfelt" analysis of Skywalker Ranch. :smiley1:

[toys2cool]

yeah and people thought episode 1 would be great and it sucked

just goes to show-

you can't judge a book by its cover

w/e bro it might've sucked to you,but Lucas has the last laugh.He banked and you were part of it ;)

[darklord1967]

w/e bro it might've sucked to you,but Lucas has the last laugh.He banked and you were part of it ;)


D'OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone just got SERVED!!!!! Good one, T2C!!! :smiley1:





I was wondering how long it would take you guys to bait Darklord into another "heartfelt" analysis of Skywalker Ranch. :smiley1:

Oh... it doesn't take much. :smiley1:


.

[MIB41]

Darklord do you watch the Clone Wars cartoons? I actually like those more than the last three movies. I think their far more engaging.

[Brue]

D'OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone just got SERVED!!!!! Good one, T2C!!! :smiley1:






not really. you are correct that i did take a bite of that pile of cat poop but unlike you i had the sense to spit it out. you swallowed and went back for more.

[Hector]

Wow. Really?? Only a billion?

Well, by my count, I was reasonably certain that I was completely written OUT of your book altogether by the time my anti-beer postings appeared, Hector.

I had no idea that I still had (at least) a billion points worth of credit in your book available to be lost!

You must have liked me. You must have really, really liked me. :smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

Bwah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, h, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

[Hector]

not really. you are correct that i did take a bite of that pile of cat poop but unlike you i had the sense to spit it out. you swallowed and went back for more.

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

[toys2cool]

not really. you are correct that i did take a bite of that pile of cat poop but unlike you i had the sense to spit it out. you swallowed and went back for more.

I'm not the one complaining about it

[Hector]

Brotherly thread, eh?

:smiley1:

[toys2cool]

not really. you are correct that i did take a bite of that pile of cat poop but unlike you i had the sense to spit it out. you swallowed and went back for more.

Just curious,do your kids like it? the movie not the cat poop :grin:

[kingdom warrior]

The younger generation wouldn't know their asses from a hole in the ground :smiley1:
Oh man I just spit my drink!!!!!!:rotfl:

[beartex2000]

I wish episode 3 would have been where the new story began with the creation of Darth Vader. The first 2 movies were just endless backstory....

[darklord1967]

not really. you are correct that i did take a bite of that pile of cat poop but unlike you i had the sense to spit it out. you swallowed and went back for more.


You took a bite out of CAT POOP????? Yuk!!!!! Why on Earth would you do that???:terror:

Me, I just went to see a fun film with a moppy-headed kid, lightsabers, and a goofy Gungan.

But... far be it for me to question your culinary tastes. :grin:

[darklord1967]

Darklord do you watch the Clone Wars cartoons? I actually like those more than the last three movies. I think their far more engaging.


I have watched the Clone Wars cartoons. And yes, I think they're amazing. But I did enjoy Episode III: Revenge of the Sith more than the animated series.

I was pretty much blown away by that film.

The first two prequel films I enjoy about as much as the Clone Wars cartoon.

I will admit however, that if certain Clone Wars animated episodes were done as live-action films, they might potentially blow away (by a country mile) the first two prequel movies... at least in my eyes.



.

[Brue]

You took a bite out of CAT POOP????? Yuk!!!!! Why on Earth would you do that???:terror:

Me, I just went to see a fun film with a moppy-headed kid, lightsabers, and a goofy Gungan.

But... far be it for me to question your culinary tastes. :grin:


seems to me we both were unaware it was cat poop we were putting in our mouth - just that when you ate the cat poop you liked it.

[Hector]

Me, I just went to see a fun film

What film was that?

[fallensaviour]

It was a crapfest.I can't believe it's been ten years already.
I did like II and III but phantom menace was such a let down.
Midichlorians,Jar-jar,annie....CRAP!!!
That whole movie could have been done in twenty minutes.
My son doesn't even like it and he's seven!?!?!?!?
He does however like all the others and the animated clone wars.
I mean if a seven year old doesn't like it???

[darklord1967]

My son doesn't even like it and he's seven!?!?!?!? He does however like all the others and the animated clone wars.
I mean if a seven year old doesn't like it???

For every seven year old like your son who DOESN'T like Episode I, there are probably about 1000 who DO like it.

I certainly cannot recall meeting even a single seven year old (boy, especially) who did not like it... And I've worked (at one time or other) as an elementary school music teacher SURROUNDED by 7 - 10 year olds.:yes:





seems to me we both were unaware it was cat poop we were putting in our mouth - just that when you ate the cat poop you liked it.


Umm... No. I beg to differ. I had NO cat poop. Tasty fun perhaps, but no cat poop. Perhaps you sampled the wrong end?

See, I own three kitties:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/darklord1967/Jedi%20and%20Wampa/JediWampaOola.jpg

I KNOW what cat poop smells like. I would NEVER have put it in my mouth.

My senses of sight and smell are quite intact.

Might I suggest that you tread more carefully with the stuff that you put into your mouth.:yes:



What film was that?

Gee, I'm sorry. Didn't I mention it? It was STAR WARS: Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

Released back in 1999, it was a MEGA-Blockbuster epic film that only grossed... oh... let's see... $924,317,558 worldwide. :grin: :wink_y: :grin:

[mego73]

For every seven year old like your son who DOESN'T like Episode I, there are probably about 1000 who DO like it.

I certainly cannot recall meeting even a single seven year old (boy, especially) who did not like it... And I've worked (at one time or other) as an elementary school music teacher SURROUNDED by 7 - 10 year olds.:yes:







Umm... No. I beg to differ. I had NO cat poop. Tasty fun perhaps, but no cat poop. Perhaps you sampled the wrong end?

See, I own three kitties:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/darklord1967/Jedi%20and%20Wampa/JediWampaOola.jpg

I KNOW what cat poop smells like. I would NEVER have put it in my mouth.

My senses of sight and smell are quite intact.

Might I suggest you tread more carefully with the stuff that you put into your mouth.:yes:




Oh, didn't I mention it? It's STAR WARS: Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

Released back in 1999, it was a MEGA-Blockbuster epic film that only grossed... oh... let's see... $924,317,558 worldwide. :grin: :wink_y: :grin:

So how come it's not the white kitty that was named "Wampa"?

[darklord1967]

So how come it's not the white kitty that was named "Wampa"?


You would think that's the way they should have been named, right?

Well, here's the skinny on how that went down:

The oldest, "Jedi", was given to us as a kitten back in August of 2004 by friends who knew I was a STAR WARS nut. They presented him to us already named Jedi.

Then, a few months later, during a New York blizzard, the little grey kitty (as a recently born kitten) was screaming under our window about the crappy weather. So we took him in and named him "Wampa" like the Empire snow beast.

But in the summer of 2007, Wampa ran away from home and disappeared somewhere in our neighborhood (long story). Jedi was left without his little buddy and got depressed. Wifey and I were devastated.

We went to the shelter and got Jedi a new little "girlfriend" companion. She was all white and we thought that "Leia" might be a good name (in keeping with the STAR WARS theme). But in the end, we decided on the less obvious "Oola" (Jabba's slave dancing girl).

Three months after she was all settled in with us, silly Wampa found his way back home, scratched on our window, and we welcomed him back into the fold.

Now I spend my days, nights, and weekends cleaning tumbleweeds of hairballs from around my home, and cleaning the litterboxes of three goofy cats :grin:

[toys2cool]

For every seven year old like your son who DOESN'T like Episode I, there are probably about 1000 who DO like it.


Gee, I'm sorry. Didn't I mention it? It was STAR WARS: Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

Released back in 1999, it was a MEGA-Blockbuster epic film that only grossed... oh... let's see... $924,317,558 worldwide. :grin: :wink_y: :grin:

I agree,almost every kid would say they liked this movie

$924,317,558?? wow isn't that more then almost all of the Old Star Treks combined ? :smiley1:

[Hector]

Bloody cats, I can't stand them (not yours Darklord)...my backyard is infested with them...they urinate and poop all over the place...and they already stained the wheels of my Mustang.

I'm pretty close of getting the ultimate cat repellent...a Rhodesian Ridgeback...a dog that was bred for lion hunting...

http://www.greatdogsite.com/admin/uploaded_files/thumbnails/rhodesian_ridgeback332x_1191990677500.jpg

RIP cats.

[mego73]

You would think that's the way they should have been named, right?

Well, here's the skinny on how that went down:

The oldest, "Jedi", was given to us as a kitten back in August of 2004 by friends who knew I was a STAR WARS nut. They presented him to us already named Jedi.

Then, a few months later, during a New York blizzard, the little grey kitty (as a recently born kitten) was screaming under our window about the crappy weather. So we took him in and named him "Wampa" like the Empire snow beast.

But in the summer of 2007, Wampa ran away from home and disappeared somewhere in our neighborhood (long story). Jedi was left without his little buddy and got depressed. Wifey and I were devastated.

We went to the shelter and got Jedi a new little "girlfriend" companion. She was all white and we thought that "Leia" might be a good name (in keeping with the STAR WARS theme). But in the end, we decided on the less obvious "Oola" (Jabba's slave dancing girl).

Three months after she was all settled in with us, silly Wampa found his way back home, scratched on our window, and we welcomed him back into the fold.

Now I spend my days, nights, and weekends cleaning tumbleweeds of hairballs from around my home, and cleaning the litterboxes of three goofy cats :grin:



Sounds like you got a crazy happy home!