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  • Tothiro
    Kitten Mittens
    • Aug 28, 2008
    • 1342

    Things to Make & Do: Rotation Neck Joint Ed.

    Ok so following TrueDave's custom WIP post and my own awkward attempt to describe titled process, here are a few pictures (which should be worth at least 4k words)

    Note: Many T2's died to bring us this information (ok don't get all emo depressed about it... it was actually just a pelvis, the torso top was already split). Go save a whale, you'll feel better. It's ok - we'll wait.

    Back now? Yay! (My scone was delicious).

    Items needed:
    Resin head cast, with rounded base (natch)
    A Dremel, because the toy gods help those that help themselves.
    1/8" drill bit
    1/8" Router bit
    Corded elastic (the fabric sheathed stuff)
    Super Glue ... if you buy yours at the Hobby shop, you're looking for Medium or High Viscosity. If like many, you do all your custom supply shpopping at Walgreens on the way home from work, then you're looking for Super Glue Gel (i like the Duro brand in the silver and blue hard bottles)

    Steps are easy - sand the ball joint, drill a hole, router it out, fill liberally with glue, drop both loose ends of elastic half-loop in there. Viola. Why is that good you ask?

    Hokay.
    In this pic we see a cut-away of the final assembly, and the 1/8" diameter bit, along side the router bit...

    We haven't sanded anything here because this is a quick-and-dirty while I wait to pull the first casts in my (finally set-up) new sculpting area after my Big Move (c). In fact since I don't do them anymore, the only reason there's a head cast with rounded base to use for demo is because I found one while moving. Nice.

    Fig. 2:
    Here we see how sinking the elastic into the head aids in keeping the assembly 'stretch neutral' ... the axis (red dot) is higher in the head, but not so high that it causes the head to pull, or over-pose.

    (I drilled this extra high to get some bite since I was cutting so much away... Usually you'd only drill about as deep as the notch on the left, so just about the jawline.)

    When you put an eye or metal loop into the resin, the extra distance from the center of axis creates a lever effect, which pulls the elastic up when you pose the head forward or back.

    Fig 3.
    Because we used a router bit, there's a conical hollow at the base of the opening inside the cast. This allows the elastic space to bend (obviously the deeper the cone is drilled, the higher up that the axis will rest)

    You can also see that it's a fairly stable joint. The head can rest back, looking up at the stars, or forward chin-to-chest with half of the torso missing.


    Another cool thing about placing the articulation axis just so is that you can put the cross pin that it's tied off on anywhere in the body. It can go in the chest as many like to place it, which allows you to do some nice odd body shapes *(Todd Browning's Freaks customs anyone?) and you can even use a slush-cast custom torso with double neck openings to string two heads on the same elastic looped under the pelvis post. (It was a double-headed Cave-Troll. Sadly I have no idea who's collection it's currently in).

    Fig. 4
    This is a closer look at what you'd want the base of the opening in the cast to look like after it's been drilled and routered:


    In closing, you might think, why do all that? Why not just knot off a loop of elastic and drop it in the hole hanging by some wire when I cast it?
    By experience I can say that it gets really fussy. You have to cut/trim away the excess resin, it gets coated on and impregnates the elastic, making it stiff and defeating the purpose... Also you don't have that nice widened base opening to allow the right axis point. Plus, you're wasting elastic on every bad cast when they come up bubbly (like our friend above did).

    The other great thing is if something happens - say the cord gets cut accidentally, or stretches out, or your giant squid eats it... what have you... You can just take your 1/8" drill bit and drill right into that hole to remove the material, elastic and all, for a new fresh start.
    Couldn't we all use that once in a while?

    Six Easy Pieces.
    Last edited by Tothiro; Apr 27, '11, 10:42 PM.
  • LonnieFisher
    Eloquent Member
    • Jan 19, 2008
    • 11010

    #2
    why not just glue two strands into the head and tie under the pelvis post?That's how I attached the playing mantis Action Jackson figures heads to Mego t-2 bodies. FF style leg band and arm to arm stringing for better articulation.

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    • Tothiro
      Kitten Mittens
      • Aug 28, 2008
      • 1342

      #3
      Originally posted by LonnieFisher
      why not just glue two strands into the head and tie under the pelvis post?
      ...

      Originally posted by Tothiro
      Steps are easy - sand the ball joint, drill a hole, router it out, fill liberally with glue, drop both loose ends of elastic half-loop in there. Viola. Why is that good you ask?
      ... ceiling cat is watching you.

      But in the interest of completionist's sake, yes the two-strands-in method is also accepted by the judges.

      The point of this was actually the axis placement, which was a question raised in the other thread.
      Last edited by Tothiro; Apr 28, '11, 12:07 AM.

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      • BlackKnight
        The DarkSide Customizer
        • Apr 16, 2005
        • 14622

        #4
        Interesting Robert.
        ... You don't need to saw a Body in Half to make this work you know.

        JK ...., Seriously though ..., I don't think you need the string that far up in the head, and a Styrene Rod Drilled threw the Torso, and Head , works well for a Base of Tie Downs too. You don't need the Glue ... Just throwing it out there.
        ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


        always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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        • Tothiro
          Kitten Mittens
          • Aug 28, 2008
          • 1342

          #5
          Originally posted by BlackKnight
          ... You don't need to saw a Body in Half to make this work you know.
          But it don't hurt! Amirite?

          Originally posted by BlackKnight
          Seriously though ..., I don't think you need the string that far up in the head,
          Already had you covered, J:
          Originally posted by Tothiro
          (I drilled this extra high to get some bite since I was cutting so much away... Usually you'd only drill about as deep as the notch on the left, so just about the jawline.)
          Originally posted by BlackKnight
          and a Styrene Rod Drilled threw the Torso, and Head , works well for a Base of Tie Downs too. You don't need the Glue ... Just throwi g it out there.
          From my perspective glue works well too. You don't need to drill a hole in the front of the torso, back of the torso, back of the neck, cut styrene rod to fit, fill the gap in the back of the neck, sand it, or... Just sayin'

          Some like green M&Ms, some like brown. Peeps got options. But then I gave up my street-cred when I went super-retro style anyway. Again, this was just really mostly for Cmonster and Cat because they'd both expressed in the other thread some jovial confusion with my language choices... Whereas I, ironically, have real and profound frustration with all of my other life choices.
          Last edited by Tothiro; Apr 28, '11, 9:45 AM.

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          • SlipperyLilSuckers
            MeGoing
            • May 14, 2003
            • 9031

            #6
            Thanks so much for this Robert. I hope it will be put in the reference part of the Museum.

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            • ThatBatmanGuy
              Career Member
              • May 14, 2007
              • 594

              #7
              The only problem with glueing or casting the elastic cord in the resin head is dry-rot. This comes from the leaching of the resin or glue into the elastic cord.

              I do like how you added the extra rotation in the neck area. Great how-to pics with the cut-away areas.
              Bob

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              • sprytel
                Talkative Member
                • Jun 26, 2009
                • 6654

                #8
                Thanks for the tutorial. Great pics... and funny, too.

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                • Tothiro
                  Kitten Mittens
                  • Aug 28, 2008
                  • 1342

                  #9
                  Thanks everyone - I hope it's useful...
                  I do remember why I stopped doing the two strings and switched to the half loop. It's more convenient to knot off and cut the excess from a second loop, so you can just recut the pelvis elastic for body swapping.

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                  • TrueDave
                    Toy Maker
                    • Jan 12, 2008
                    • 2343

                    #10
                    I did this teh other night after reading yout first post for me.
                    I went with a GI Joe type neck post.
                    I usually use brass rod instead of styrene . I couldnt find it in the right size? ( size#?)
                    Really good advice!!!





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                    • LonnieFisher
                      Eloquent Member
                      • Jan 19, 2008
                      • 11010

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TrueDave
                      I did this teh other night after reading yout first post for me.
                      I went with a GI Joe type neck post.
                      I usually use brass rod instead of styrene . I couldnt find it in the right size? ( size#?)
                      Really good advice!!!


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                      This is like the Playing Mantis AJ method.

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                      • Tothiro
                        Kitten Mittens
                        • Aug 28, 2008
                        • 1342

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LonnieFisher
                        This is like the Playing Mantis AJ method.
                        ^Yup. Flatt style was similar, but just drilled from back to front, and not 100% of the way through so there'd be no visible hole in the front... then I 'believe' he'd cut the rod a touch shorter, and fill the space in the back of the neck with his filler agent (epoxy, magic sculpt, whatevs).

                        TrueDave, I see you cut slits into the front and back of the neck there.. It certainly increases the pose range, and as you experiment you'll hone in on the range you can get away with without extra slits as well...

                        It's not featured in this pic, but I notched the back of the neck that same way for my Abe Sapien (finished around 2003) so he could get the classic swimming CFTBL pose... He also has an LJN style rotation joint in the center of the thigh, for Yoga moves.

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                        • TrueDave
                          Toy Maker
                          • Jan 12, 2008
                          • 2343

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LonnieFisher
                          This is like the Playing Mantis AJ method.
                          Which ones? I just remember the rubber headed army scuba and secret agent from ten years back?

                          Tothiro posted:
                          "He also has an LJN style rotation joint in the center of the thigh, for Yoga moves."

                          Never had an LJN.. Didn;t see that thigh rotation until the Playmates Voyager . Castaway has the swivel arm, but I wonder why nobody's done swvil thigh for us?

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                          • Tothiro
                            Kitten Mittens
                            • Aug 28, 2008
                            • 1342

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TrueDave
                            Never had an LJN.. Didn;t see that thigh rotation until the Playmates Voyager . Castaway has the swivel arm, but I wonder why nobody's done swvil thigh for us?
                            By that I meant LJN swivel bicep style, but on the thighs. LJNs don;t have swivel leg either. I just liked the joint and it also meant I could mirror the leg sculpt for both sides. The bottoms of the thighs have a cut with a rounded peg shaped loop cast into them, and the thigh tops have the "female" side of that joint, so the peg rests inside, and is the termination of the hip elastic... so the elastic is strung almost from knee-cap to knee-cap, through the pelvis. I opted for that not only because of the sculpt double-use, but because I didn't want to make a weak knee assembly like the gi-joe style ball and socket knees, which would be a little fragile in resin.
                            I still haven't figured out a wrist pin solution for small casts like that. Typically I'd dye white corded elastic to match the custom body color and loop that over the wrist pin and back into the forearms... but that leaves a pretty wobbly wrist joint.

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                            • TrueDave
                              Toy Maker
                              • Jan 12, 2008
                              • 2343

                              #15
                              Here's the latest... Hope to get one flocked! Next up, Superman(?)



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