Baggies, the facts!

[megozilla13]

I think a better analogy would be..... If you had a mint zorro and completed him with a blackbeard sword (which is the same) and wanted to sell it, would you call it not original. According to Lonnie's definition, its not. Or how about a broken thumb on a figure, if you replace the hand, do you mention it when selling it? Do you call it, not original?

And TCM Hitchhiker..... I think you may be right about the baggies being meant for the Big Jim figures with the rubber arms. It makes sense.

[Sandman9580]

It may honestly not matter one way or another, if they are truly 100% identical, but still, it just doesn't feel right to me.

If it's indistinguishable from any other Mego part then it doesn't matter where it came from. ... as long as the part is identical. that's why you have people swapping out bodies with common figures to make their more valuable figures better.
Rich

If something is switched it isn't original. Do you understand yet? How many times should I have to explain the concept of "original"?

By your (Lonnie) logic then, an SI that is pieced together from loose parts (pants from one original SI set, shirt from another, etc) is worth less than one that happened to luckily stay together from Day 1. That's silliness.
Rich

By way of analogy, maybe it's possible to take a page from Star Wars collectors. If a Star Wars figure that came out in 1977 is re-released on a later ROTJ or POTF card, and is opened, and the card is thrown away, there's no meaningful way to determine which movie the figure (or his accessories) came out with. So that "drags" the value of a 1977 loose figure down to the level of a 1985 loose figure, the two values find equilibrium, and all loose figures end up being worth the same, pending condition.

Now, if I find a loose, complete figure that is included with a ripped-open 1977 card, and I know the dealer to be honest, and he assures me that that figure really did go with that card, whether I believe him or not... it doesn't matter. Once the card is opened, the figures are worth the same as other figures in the same condition. This is the reason why unopened figures are worth more.

[sauce]

Dude, Rich, it's not silliness, it's just not what you care about.

Can we just liken this conversation to trying to determine whether or not a high heeled foot fetish is silly? Yeah. To each his own.

*Tomatoes and Japanese eggplants are flying*

[kryptosmaster]

I like original MEGO elastic inside my T0 and T1 bodies. Let the tomatoes fly!

I defy you to tell the difference.
I can find the exact same elastic and restring a Mego and you'd never know.
I understand some people are overly anal about minute details but there's a point where you become ridiculous.
If a genuine vintage Mego part is used to replace a missing or damaged original Mego part and it is the EXACT same part that came from the EXACT same factory and EXACT same batch of parts then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's not like they have serial numbers. Just because one of those parts ended up in a Wizard of Oz box instead of a WGSH box means nothing. They are the SAME.
By your (Lonnie) logic then, an SI that is pieced together from loose parts (pants from one original SI set, shirt from another, etc) is worth less than one that happened to luckily stay together from Day 1. That's silliness.
Rich

[sauce]

I like original MEGO elastic inside my T0 and T1 bodies. Let the tomatoes fly!

[LonnieFisher]

Why do people want to force their opinion on me? I just can't see switching as honest if something is sold as "original". Why is it so hard to understand "original"? If money looks the same and isn't original, it is counterfeit. If something is switched it isn't original. Do you understand yet? How many times should I have to explain the concept of "original"?

[kryptosmaster]

^^^^Perhaps I did read it too fast. I thought that was you saying that about the shoes. Yeah Lonnie you need to chill sometimes. You seem like a really passionate Mego dude but sometimes you gotta draw the line or you'll end up like the Jack Nicholson character in "As Good As It Gets".
If it's indistinguishable from any other Mego part then it doesn't matter where it came from. Just because it doesn't have the same 1974 air & dust from a SI pair of pants on it doesn't make the value any less. In fact, if the bag holds any value at all then an identical bag in "BETTER" condition should actually "RAISE" the value! Parts is parts (to quote a famous old commercial ) as long as the part is identical. that's why you have people swapping out bodies with common figures to make their more valuable figures better.
Rich

[warlock664]

Shoes

If the AJ sneakers had been bagged instead of stitched to a card they would still be Mego and would still be perfectly acceptable for a PP figure. There would be absolutely no way to tell which set from the bin of sneakers went into an AJ bag or a PP outfit bag. Are you going to tell me that a pair of brown shoes from a Walton is inferior to a pair that was originally placed onto the Joker's feet?
Rich

Umm, I'm not saying it wouldn't be acceptable (at least to me). If you read my entire post, I don't have a problem with baggies being switched, if they're all identical, I'd just want to know if that were the case. I wouldn't care about the shoes, if they were both original Mego. I only mention the PP shoe scenario because I imagine Lonnie would have a problem with those being switched, even if the AJ shoes had been the same as the PP shoes (i.e. no holes). I mean, if the baggies, which aren't even a functional part of the outfit, are such a concern, wouldn't the shoes, which are, cause more aggravation? Again, it wouldn't bother me . His point of view is that everything needs to be original to the Alter Ego set, an identical replacement from another Mego set isn't the same, in his eyes, because it wasn't shipped that way.

[kryptosmaster]

Hmmm, if all those white AJ cleats were free of holes (from being stitched to backing cards), how many footwear switches would have been made for Peter Parker without disclosure ?

If the AJ sneakers had been bagged instead of stitched to a card they would still be Mego and would still be perfectly acceptable for a PP figure. There would be absolutely no way to tell which set from the bin of sneakers went into an AJ bag or a PP outfit bag. Are you going to tell me that a pair of brown shoes from a Walton is inferior to a pair that was originally placed onto the Joker's feet?
Rich

[LonnieFisher]

The baggie is part of the package so that's why some care. Boxed with original bag is more desirable than boxed no bag for the SI outfits. Without it, it isn't complete.

[RG]

This makes me glad i don't care about baggies one way or the other.

no doubt.

[txteach]

This makes me glad i don't care about baggies one way or the other.

[Orlock]

But the rubber makes more sense. I have seen other vintage action figures come with "powder" instructions for boots to fit over rubber feet. In fact, I think the 12" Star Wars are one example of this. I however have never seen this suggested for clothing over clothing.

Just a theory is all.

Same here. It's an issue of cloth over rubber that makes it difficult, not cloth over cloth. Cloth over rubber is a pain directly in my pants.

[Remco Monster]

But the rubber makes more sense. I have seen other vintage action figures come with "powder" instructions for boots to fit over rubber feet. In fact, I think the 12" Star Wars are one example of this. I however have never seen this suggested for clothing over clothing.

Just a theory is all.

[LonnieFisher]

The powder suggestion was for the two outfits with two sets of long sleeves. Peter had one shirt and no jacket. Dick had a sleeveless turtleneck and overcoat. No need for them to have the powder suggestion. The powder was for the layers of cloth to slide better against each other I think. That's how they packaged them.