O.J. Made in America

[huedell]

He always does this.

???? I suppose I've brought up when things were too political before... so, yeah, but I never took it to this extreme and actually asked for a thread to be shut down.

It's not his thread to ask for it to be taken down.

I wasn't thinking in that mindset, but, yes, it is not a thread I started, but is a thread that I feel was potential political danger, as I believe occurred specifically with some of what mmmark said, as pointed out earlier.
If others aren't seeing it... or are just tryng to be cool... or "not as irritated as Francis"... then I suppose we're all doing our jobs... with maybe the one (hopefully excusable) sin I've made in pointing out that thar be more than straight account going on in mark's post---thar be "opinion" there----it's there whether the general public can see that or not...

And, well, I'm not surprised either way, because the world has gotten to be a STRANGE place in the issues of "race" and "the police"---etc.

Since you started the thread if you want it taken down just pm one of them and presto.

Frankly, at this point, the value of removing the thread is moot...so, I wouldn't touch it if it isn't necessary.

[huedell]

Hue, you've taken what was a harmless thread about a trending topic in America (the FX series and now this 5-part doc) and steered it down a totally different path. So far you've been the only one trying to make MMM's comments into something totally overblown, and been the only one with an issue.

I think I've been quite clear about why I'm doing this. Apparently you think it's unnecessary. Got it. But I don't. Sorry.

You've requested a few times now for this to be shut down and the Mods haven't yet. If they do, so be it.
Until then can we have it back to discuss this documentary and the history associated with it on its merits?

You can discuss whatever you want. Don't let me stop you. I only ask for reciprocal respect.

Thanks, Chris

You're welcome.

^ What he said!

- Ian

Ditto to you.

[Duncan]

I only saw most of one episode, but it was fascinating. They showed a prosecutor's theory of the case, along with a timeline & forensic evidence. When it was all laid out that simply and efficiently, it made more sense than at the trial. Of course, that wouldn't have cured the other issues encountered by the prosecutors at the time of the trial.

[mego maniac mark]

As one member put it, lighten up Francis! One of my favorite 80's comedies.

[Marvelmania]

He always does this. It's not his thread to ask for it to be taken down. Since you started the thread if you want it taken down just pm one of them and presto.

[EmergencyIan]

^ What he said!

- Ian

[megomania]

Hue, you've taken what was a harmless thread about a trending topic in America (the FX series and now this 5-part doc) and steered it down a totally different path. So far you've been the only one trying to make MMM's comments into something totally overblown, and been the only one with an issue.

You've requested a few times now for this to be shut down and the Mods haven't yet. If they do, so be it.

Until then can we have it back to discuss this documentary and the history associated with it on its merits?

Thanks,
Chris

[huedell]

1st thing I would like to say is I love Mego dolls, ( that's what I call them, lol) and is why I joined this great website.

Not really sure what the implication is with that statement. That said: Maybe I should state that I sincerely believe we are both here for the same thing.

Secondly, thanks to all members who have defended me for my seemingly honest comments on a pretty good documentary.

Again... not exactly getting the implication here, but, firstly, I'll state that I personally never doubted your sincerity, nor your appreciation of the documentary. I have seen many pieces on the OJ case---not sure if I've seen this one---but, that shouldn't matter, in that, I'll take your word for it that it was a pro piece... a solid piece, regardless of if I'd agree or disagree with it's narrative.

I'll also say that, to any members defending your posts, I'd be totally in-the-wrong not to be cool with that, just as I'm appreciative of you defending what you've posted, even in spite of the fact that I believe you don't understand why I'm saying what I'm saying about you pushing your own social/political views, and feel I'm just attacking you unfairly. I get it.

And I feel that the reason this is happening is because you are taking for granted that (apparently subconsciously) integrating your opinion as bolstered by what you've stated was the documentary's narrative:

... They are the victims not only of a heinous crime, but are the victims of the long injustices of the LAPD's inexcusable treatment of blacks for decades....

is actually a harmless, indisputably straight-forward recap of a truth explored in the doc, when in reality, there's a lot more implications to what you're saying there, as well as what the doc (apparently according to you) was saying in regard to this (again, "apparently") inevitable event in L.A. history.

Let's get one thing straight. Not once have I justified any crime or act that has been covered in the documentary.

I'd have left out the implication of that I concluded you were implying the event was "justified" and would have settled with an assessment that you were implying, merely a relatively pessimistic view of "cause and effect"... however, you inserted words like "inexcusable" to broadly paint one side of the "cause" of the "inevitable" event---and, well, as I said before, that's when the idea of you "not socio-politically slanting this assessment of the doc" goes out the window.

What i have done is witnessed a great recap of black history and the culmination of wrongs on one side being righted by letting OJ walk.
Not that I agree with it, I can just see it, if that makes any sense.

If I saw it making sense, then I'd have never started down this path.

Again, certain words used (even down to a solitary word like "inexcusable") made me unable to see the logic in your own assessment of what you yourself said.

That said: Concluding what's really being said here, while superficially fun and/or engaging for me... is (I must concede) getting "hotter" as we proceed, as this is a touchy subject, and this is surely far from an appropriate forum to test fate within due to it's "no politics" and overall "family fun" nature.

And that's why I suggested closing down this thread.

I'm fine dropping this, if everyone else is... but, of course feel compelled to answer for myself whenever I see a posted comment that implies any given thing that I see being misunderstood about my posts.

Lastly, I love Megos !

Amen to that.

[megomania]

I had the O.J. Shindana toys doll when I was a kid. Have a pic of me holding it proudly somewhere. Man....shoulda kept it!

[mego maniac mark]

1st thing I would like to say is I love Mego dolls, ( that's what I call them, lol) and is why I joined this great website.
Secondly, thanks to all members who have defended me for my seemingly honest comments on a pretty good documentary.

Let's get one thing straight. Not once have I justified any crime or act that has been covered in the documentary. What i have done is witnessed a great recap of black history and the culmination of wrongs on one side being righted by letting OJ walk.
Not that I agree with it, I can just see it, if that makes any sense.

Lastly, I love Megos !

[Hector]

One example was the women at the counter of the market who shot the young woman in the head for what looks like no reason. If that was not shocking enough, she only gets a slap on the wrist. I expect most people to be outraged over that, no mater what race or religion. That would make anyone mistrust the system.

You said a woman was shot for no reason. Well, first of all, she was a 15 year old girl. Second, she did strike the female shopkeeper several times in the face, causing her to go down to one knee. There was a reason why this tragic event ended up so violently.

Having said that...shooting her in the back of the head while the girl was leaving was a cold blooded execution.

My point...the reason did not justified a death...but there was a reason.

But yes...the shopkeeper got away with second degree murder...

[huedell]

Your criticism of mmm is both misplaced and unfair, as Dark Shadow aptly summed up. All mmm did was acknowledge the context of the anger the black LA community was experiencing at that time in history, not giving an opinion that the OJ result was "justifiable".

So..

I do consider my behavior to be on the "light" side---as I'm choosing my words extremely carefully... yet, you persist... and that's cool, but it also moves me to point out that when a word is used like "inexcusable", the mmm "not giving an opinion that the OJ result was 'justifiable'." stance goes out the window.

Fair enough?

I mean, I suppose that even though I see this as an open and shut debate, we can still, in theory, agree to disagree... I just wanted to make sure you had the clearest idea of what is causing the disagreement without totally upsetting this applecart of a thread subject unnecessarily.

[jacoblb]

I haven't seen the documentary yet, but I want to. I've no doubt the public library will have a copy to borrow once the show is put onto DVD.
On an Howard Stern show, I believe when Robin Quivers was delivering the news at the last hour, it was said Nicole was performing a sex act on the guy OJ (and perhaps an accomplice?) killed when he/they killed her too. I did not know that and it adds an even more disturbing aspect to their deaths. I was in my final year of high school when the LA Riots were going on.

[megomania]

I still need to watch episodes 4 & 5. Eps 1-3 had so many small details about his life and the pre-trial that I either forgot or didn't know. Really looking forward to finishing the series.

I still can't fathom why O.J. committed the armed robbery in Vegas and why he refused to plea for a lighter sentence.

-Chris

[Sideshow Spock]

You may not have intended to open any kind of Pandora's box, but by starting down that path on this board, you did it, and continued to do it in your latest post. I'll attempt to continue biting my tongue, but dang it if my tongue isn't starting to separate.

Your criticism of mmm is both misplaced and unfair, as Dark Shadow aptly summed up. All mmm did was acknowledge the context of the anger the black LA community was experiencing at that time in history, not giving an opinion that the OJ result was "justifiable".

So..