TV's Greatest Icons List

[huedell]

"How did I get pulled down the rabbit hole into another Huedell maze of the verbose and the inane?"

Another one who results to throwing insults when he's frustrated thanks---johnnyc

[Mikey]

Oh Hue, c'mon
If it wasn't for you --- we'd all be sitting here agreeing with each other and this thread would be long buried already

You're a good devil's advocate

Seriously though,
If I was compiling that list, I would exclude all television shows from the 90's up to today.

I think an icon should not be confused with a flavour of the month.

If this list was compiled back in --- say 1990...
I'll bet Bronson Pinchot would be on it for Perfect Strangers
Today, people say WHO ?

[huedell]

Your logic is flawed at best. The heading is "TV's Greatest Icons List" not newest or most recognizable by younger people.

Obviously people who were not around when Jackie Gleason was on television will be less likely to be aware of him or the impact he had. It in no way reduces his status as a television icon.

Using your logic Babe Ruth would probably be excluded from an all time baseball icons list due to the fact that more people would be aware of Arod than the "Sultan Of Swat".

The list is poorly conceived, as most of these types of lists are. It is full of glaring omissions as well as many inaccurate rankings.

You are SO not getting my posts----and you're making either YOU or ME look
foolish by doing so---- we're talking about Phil Silvers, James Arness and
whoever being second rate as icons---not guys like Jackie Gleason---
if you took the time to read my posts instead of jumping on this bash Hugh
bandwagon
---you'd see that I said Jackie Gleason WOULD be recognized by some
younger kids MORE (much more) than Phil Silvers and James Arness

Your post is "poorly concieved at best" not my point

Exclude Babe Ruth from a baseball icons list? Gimmee a break---make me
look I'm not getting this...nice try
Babe Ruth is the Jackie Glesaon equivalent in baseball----why rag on me
in this manner when I didn't even post the way you said I did in the first place

[huedell]

Oh, i'll be the first to admit to turning the channel to the Hue Show.

I knew using the term "Bud" would inspire some good reactions out of our host

Remember that people.
If you wanna push buttons--- "Bud" is always the best way to begin

I've said enough ---- Bud

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Yeah Mike be patronizing---and that'll get a rise out of me---big idea!
If you're proud of that---kudos and whatever

[huedell]

Hugh,
No where is it mentioned anywhere that the list was decided based on recognizability by today's audience...

I never said it did---that's just one important aspect of that---young people count too dangit

...you seem to be under the impression that to be on the list someone say the age of 25 has to be able to readily identify them at the drop of hat when they're shown an 8x10 glossy of said icon.

Yep---that's a big part of it---that's an "icon"

To ME, "Icon" is someone who has transcended the media across it's 60 plus years/many genres and has undoubtedly left his or her mark for future generations.Just because it doesn't pop up on TV Land or a DVD set doesn't diminish the impact.

Yes it does diminish their impact---you can't be much of an icon if you're disappearing
out of the pop lexicon in favor of other things---whether they are supposedly "inferior" or not

Your definition is basically mine---you're just letting your personal feelings get in the way
of reality

And if you're such a "TV junkie from 1975-99" as you say you are I have a hard time believing you haven't come across the works of the aforementioned slightly folks at least once.

Believe it...if I did come across them---I have no memory of having done so...and
THAT'S the point
if these guys are such big icons I should at least have a vague idea of who they are--
and so should younger people

Maybe you should do your homework instead of commenting on a list you obviously don't fully understand.

This one time I DON'T have to do my homework---this "icon issue" is all about what you
should know intrinsically from watching TV and culture over the years
---NOT from research/"homework"

I can't believe I let myself get caught up in another episode of the long-winded, quote filled "Huedell Show".

That's just insulting---if you don't like what I have to say fine----
This "long winded" bull is wearing thin though-----an insult like that is just a lame way
of avoiding the truths of a good discussion

A "not lame" way would be not to engage me at all---- instead of lobbing insults

[Johnny]

I don't belive that MEANS anything----YOUNG people are SUPPOSED to
recognize the older icons on the whole (as opposed to old people---who
are better suited to know who the older icons are by the obvious fact that they are...um.. "old")---that's the point of having an icon list

Your logic is flawed at best. The heading is "TV's Greatest Icons List" not newest or most recognizable by younger people.

Obviously people who were not around when Jackie Gleason was on television will be less likely to be aware of him or the impact he had. It in no way reduces his status as a television icon.

Using your logic Babe Ruth would probably be excluded from an all time baseball icons list due to the fact that more people would be aware of Arod than the "Sultan Of Swat".

The list is poorly conceived, as most of these types of lists are. It is full of glaring omissions as well as many inaccurate rankings.

"How did I get pulled down the rabbit hole into another Huedell maze of the verbose and the inane?"

[Mikey]

Oh, i'll be the first to admit to turning the channel to the Hue Show.

I knew using the term "Bud" would inspire some good reactions out of our host

Remember that people.
If you wanna push buttons--- "Bud" is always the best way to begin

I've said enough ---- Bud

m

[The Toyroom]

Hugh,
No where is it mentioned anywhere that the list was decided based on recognizability by today's audience...you seem to be under the impression that to be on the list someone say the age of 25 has to be able to readily identify them at the drop of hat when they're shown an 8x10 glossy of said icon.
To ME, "Icon" is someone who has transcended the media across it's 60 plus years/many genres and has undoubtedly left his or her mark for future generations.Just because it doesn't pop up on TV Land or a DVD set doesn't diminish the impact.
And if you're such a "TV junkie from 1975-99" as you say you are I have a hard time believing you haven't come across the works of the aforementioned slightly folks at least once. Maybe you should do your homework instead of commenting on a list you obviously don't fully understand.


I can't believe I let myself get caught up in another episode of the long-winded, quote filled "Huedell Show". Maybe someday you'll be an ICON for your performances and added to the list.

[huedell]

The glorious Shatner is only number 18!? Beaten out by the likes of Rosanne and Oprah!?! Sacrilege!! Heresy!! This list is total garbage and is dead to me.

On a side note---I was thinking that certain stars---if they had a significant success story on the silver screen that they might be voted differently as
they are spread between the two genres in media popularity

Shat sure did tear up the TV screen though---on so many significant shows

Surely on an overall "Hollywood icon" list he'd BURY Oprah and certainly Roseanne

[huedell]

http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/adu...lko/bilko4.jpg

One of the greatest characters and televison shows ever, period.

He may be...but that's the first time I've ever known what the heck he looks
like---and I was a TV junkie from 1975-99

He's small potatoes compared to the majority of other icons mentioned here

As for the list. It seems very imbalanced with new versus old. I agree with Mike that the demo that submitted the bulk of the votes must be quite young

I don't belive that MEANS anything----YOUNG people are SUPPOSED to
recognize the older icons on the whole (as opposed to old people---who
are better suited to know who the older icons are by the obvious fact that they are...um.. "old")---that's the point of having an icon list

Will young people recognize Milton Berle or Jackie Gleason???---not in huge
amounts, but a LOT moreso than Bilko up there
Same goes for OLDER people---most will know Gleason and Berle WAY more
than Silvers

Sorry to pick on Silvers repeatedly, but he is a great example of why I think
many on this thread are mising the point of what this list really was
trying to nail down---as sloppy as it is---its still better than you're making
it out to be

Its nice to be a passionate fan...but don't let that skew your perspective of
reality

Even I admitted how lowly (my hero) DAVID LEE ROTH was on the
pop culture totem pole for YEARS (that is until the recent tour where he's shot up a few rungs)

[Johnny]

One of the greatest characters and televison shows ever, period.

As for the list. It seems very imbalanced with new versus old. I agree with Mike that the demo that submitted the bulk of the votes must be quite young.

[huedell]

Bud,
If you think Phil Silvers is no TV icon and have never heard of him.........
Than I suggest you just sit happily and watch Cheers, Family Ties and Cosby Show on TV Land.
Maybe the Jeffersons too.
Happily disregard anything that ever happened before 1980.

It was all nothing and worthless anyway--- said sarcastically.

"Bud?" C'mon Mike what is this about?

I take offense that you're implying that because I've found Silvers
to be pretty unrecognizable comparitively to others we've been discussing
---that now I am "disregarding" everything from before 1980----

I'm sure Phil Silvers is a great icon "of sorts". But the facts are that
not many know who he is.

Jackie Gleason...Milton Berle... icons....HUGE
Those guys were around WAY before 1980---from experience I've
found that Phil Silvers is nothing in comparison with them when
it comes recognizability in television

Mike its okay to herald "great television" and your attempts at educating
me on who the "real TV stars" are is admirable (if heavy handed)---okay--
-its okay to be passionate----but I don't think it has much anything to do
with who gets chosen for a list like this

Heck----show the average teen today a picture of Florence Henderson and
a picture of Phil Silvers and the results will speak for themselves on what
being an icon is really about---Flo might not have a HUGE response
---but guaranteed, she will kick Silvers' backside in recognizability on the
whole

Where's Florence Henderson on the list!!

[jwyblejr]

Why no Bob Hope? And Lorne Greene gets snubbed too?

[Hulk]

Besides pointing out the fact that this list is doing EXACTLY what it is supposed to do (generate buzz and debate), I'd like to point out that there are 3 Megos, one CTVT, and lots of customs on the list.

[Werewolf]

The glorious Shatner is only number 18!? Beaten out by the likes of Rosanne and Oprah!?! Sacrilege!! Heresy!! This list is total garbage and is dead to me.