Shoplifter strangled to death by clerk for stealing...crayons?

[Meule]

The family also told the paper that while Kyser has had his share of "ups and downs" and has spent time in prison for drug offenses, his death was unjustified. They plan on suing the CVS chain in civil court.

And that's why chain stores tell their employees not to interfere with petty stuff like this. Cause $5 worth of crayons and toothpaste is nothing compared to a lawsuit. Even if they win they will have lost. Lawyers, bad publicity, this is gonna cost them.

The Sun-Times also spoke to two witnesses whose homes back onto the alley where the incident took place who say that an off-duty police officer was involved. They claim the woman told Kyser she was an officer, drew her weapon, and told him to stop fighting the CVS employees' attempts to restrain him. She then reportedly went back to her car to make a phone call. Chicago Police spokesman John Mirabelli was quoted as questioning this report, saying that they "have no indication of CPD involvement."

So now there was no cop involved? Sounds more like the cops are trying not to get involved in this mess

[Mikey]

The family could still get a really good lawyer (most would do it Pro bono because of the notoriety the trial will bring them) ... and take it to civil court ... Civil courts usually lean towards the victims so they'd probably win -- and CVS has deep pockets.

[toys2cool]

I dunno, this just doesn't seem right to me, sigh...

"While the medical examiner declared the death a homicide after an autopsy, police are calling the incident an "accidental death" and are not pursuing murder charges against the CVS employee."

ref: CVS Shoplifter Strangled Over Toothpaste - Chicagoist

oh well, hopefully the guys family will keep trying

[toys2cool]

Hit him the wrong way and he's dead as well

lol yeah I know I thought about that

[Doc]

Ok...I'm going to go out and murder someone...it will be my first offense...I'll get out in a few years...thanks for granting me a guaranteed parole, buddy...

Average jail time for murder is 25 years to life. Try doing a small bid like 6 months then try to picture 25 years. For a crime that could have been a crime of passion or a botched robbery yeah maybe that person should have some sort of chance at a life and forgiveness. But make no mistake 25 years is not a slap on the wrist.

And this should please those anti corporal punishment people who think you are going to go around executing everyone accused of murder willy nilly.

[SlipperyLilSuckers]

And now this...another bungled raid...I can see why I stopped watching the news :(

Family: 7-year-old shot by police was asleep
(AP) – 4 hours ago

DETROIT — Seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was asleep on the living room sofa in her family's apartment when Detroit police searching for a homicide suspect burst in and an officer's gun went off, fatally striking the girl in the neck, family members say.

Her father, 25-year-old Charles Jones, told The Detroit News he had just gone to bed early Sunday after covering his daughter with her favorite Disney princess blanket when he heard a flash grenade followed by a gunshot. When he rushed into the living room, he said, police forced him to lie on the ground, with his face in his daughter's blood.

full article: The Associated Press: Family: 7-year-old shot by police was asleep

[SlipperyLilSuckers]

I dunno, this just doesn't seem right to me, sigh...

"While the medical examiner declared the death a homicide after an autopsy, police are calling the incident an "accidental death" and are not pursuing murder charges against the CVS employee."

ref: CVS Shoplifter Strangled Over Toothpaste - Chicagoist

[SlipperyLilSuckers]

Hue, I can't believe I foolishly believed you when you said you had had your say way back on page one!

[huedell]

If you sai everything you wanted to say, why keep posting?

Where did I say THAT in the post you quoted? VVV

VVVV

This thread has gone on real long....and I thought I must've
addressed everything I just said in this post already earlier in the thread,
but I thought I'd jump right back in and "catch up".

Not ONLY did I say: "I THOUGHT" in regard to what I said about
the subject matter (as opposed to "I SAID"), I also used the phrase
"CATCH UP" in that post too....

...as in: I thought I had said it all, but then I returned to catch up.

Sorry if I was unclear...and sorry to say that it feels like you're
putting words in my mouth....if that wasn't your intention, I apologize.

But hey, this is a good debate. As long as people don't start insulting each other this thread go on for another 20 pages for all I care

After being on the boards together for a while, you'd think you'd know
this was my stance as well.

[Meule]

tell that to the people who get paid $15 an hour at a bank, if I'm a teller and someone pulls out a gun and tells me to hand over the money, I'd give him everything and offer him everything in the safe...I'm not gonna risk getting killed over money that's not mine or something that's not my job

If it would've been the other way around everyone would be calling the guy a moron for going after a shoplifter in the first place

they would be saying, Man could you believe the idiot wasted his life going after a guy for $6 worth of ****,

Same here, I'm not risking my life, or even risk getting into trouble, over something that isn't mine or belongs to a loved one. Bank tellers are told to hand over the money and not be heroes, I'm sure that clerk's boss told him the same thing, but the guy wanted to be a hero and now it backfired on him. And this is exactly why they tell those guys not to interfere

[Meule]

ok I'd beat his *** for sure, but not kill him

Hit him the wrong way and he's dead as well

[Meule]

This thread has gone on real long....and I thought I must've addressed
everything I just said in this post already earlier in the thread,
but I thought I'd jump right back in and "catch up".

If you sai everything you wanted to say, why keep posting?
But hey, this is a good debate. As long as people don't start insulting each other this thread go on for another 20 pages for all I care

[Meule]

Reasons to get into a physical altercation :

1 - life or death = it's you or them
2 - in defense of your person, a loved one, relative or friend
3- it's your job - police, security officer, military service , boxer,mma etc.

All else is macho b.s. - material objects can be replaced.

Summed it up nicely

[Meule]

because he's paid to ring people up not be a security guard

Exactly. My girlfriend's purse is another matter, the clerk wasn't the owner of that toothpaste and crayons

[toys2cool]

I'll buy that for a dollar.

As far as what you said:



I'll buy THAT for a dollar as well.

And, t2cool, if you like what Hector said, well, just find something good
in what I'm saying in that I agree with Hector's post too.

sounds good to me man , Okay I think we're done here