Kobe vs LeBron

[Hector]

You think dudes today are tougher than let's say Spartans, Vikings, Zulus, Mongols, Romans, Samurai...of the ancient world?

They would all eat anybody right now for breakfast, lol.

Men were tougher back then....nothing but pansies now.

Let's see how Shaq handles a gladiator on a one-on-one duel during ancient times, lol.

[toys2cool]

Who's better - Bird,Magic, Jordan, Lebron, Kobe - is very subjective. All I was saying is when you talk about that top level of all time, Lebron and Kobe will be up there with the other three. We can argue about the exact order all day - but those five names will always be up at the top.



That is until the next superior human athlete comes along in 5 years or so...............

agreed

[Evel KMego]

Who's better - Bird,Magic, Jordan, Lebron, Kobe - is very subjective. All I was saying is when you talk about that top level of all time, Lebron and Kobe will be up there with the other three. We can argue about the exact order all day - but those five names will always be up at the top.



That is until the next superior human athlete comes along in 5 years or so...............

[toys2cool]

I feel bad cause you old guys think that everything from your time was better,I hate to break it to you guys but everything gets better as time goes by,Athletes included

I'm sure 30 years from now players will be better then LeBron or Kobe...and I'll be the first to admit that,I don't know why you guys can't

[toys2cool]

Well, my high school physics teacher knows more about physics than Aristotle did in his day.

I guess I don't really get your point.

you obviously don't.

If you had to have someone teach you today who would you pick Aristole or your teacher?

[toys2cool]

Yet Boston with Bird beat them most of the time.

Owned!

Bird had a team,it was Jordan alone,what happened when Jordan got Pippen? MMMM... let me see,6 championships in 7 years including 2 threepeats and best player ever status....that's what I thought

[Hector]

Well, my high school physics teacher knows more about physics than Aristotle did in his day.

I guess I don't really get your point.

Touché!

[Hector]

yeah that's why Jordan use to put up 50+ on his *** in the Garden all the time

Yet Boston with Bird beat them most of the time.

Owned!

[megoat]

w/e you guys don't get it.

Todays players are just better and that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he wasn't good back then or disputing what he's done.

Well, my high school physics teacher knows more about physics than Aristotle did in his day.

I guess I don't really get your point.

[toys2cool]

w/e you guys don't get it.

Todays players are just better and that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he wasn't good back then or disputing what he's done.

[megoat]

This whole idea of putting a sports star from yesteryear up against todays players is just sorta silly. You need to judge a player for what he/she did in their era.

I mean, you could take almost ANY athlete from 30+ years ago and say they couldn't hold up to todays standards. Sport has evolved. Different training, different methods, different impact on culture, different business as well. There are too many variables at work here. Do you think Babe Ruth could play in today's MLB just as he was in the 1920's? Yet he's one of the greatest of all time.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Easily a top ten choice. Period.

[toys2cool]

he was the best player and leader of a team that won 3 championships. just cause there are not many white nba'ers today doesn't mean he would play like adam morrison now. if it wasn't for bird and magic the nba might of when under back then. give credit where credit is due.

I agree,but that has nothing to do with I'm saying. Like for example I'd take today's Dirk Nowitzki over the 80's Bird any day

If you match up skill for skill between them,Dirk would eat him alive

[goldenryan]

Bird would be a scrub in todays NBA

he was the best player and leader of a team that won 3 championships. just cause there are not many white nba'ers today doesn't mean he would play like adam morrison now. if it wasn't for bird and magic the nba might of when under back then. give credit where credit is due.

[toys2cool]

This article helps to put some things in perspective. For the record, I don't think any of the players mentioned in this thread are not worthy players or future "the best evers", only that you just can not compare today to back then.


SI.com - Writers - Jack McCallum:*Ranking the greatest NBA players of all time is no easy task - Wednesday November 12, 2003 6:33PM

dam that article's from 03

[toys2cool]

If we play it subjectively, I'll grant that Bird (then) would not be a Superstar today. By that standard, neither would most of the Hall of Fame. But, Larry Bird THEN would not be a scrub today. To believe otherwise, means you didn't watch much NBA (back then) or know much about it (back then).

The game was different back then,most guys were just pure shooters.You didn't see Bird driving to the hoop and dunking all over people like they do now. That's why I'm saying ,that if he played the way he played back then...he would not be close to what he was. I'm not saying he sucked back then,he was great back then. I'm just comparing to what he would be now