DC recasting the Flash for films is STOOOPID...

[emeraldknight47]

It's all about fifedoms. WB allowed DC rights to be splintered into pieces for decades. That why Hal Jordan was never on a Dini/Timm cartoon. Joel Silver had the rights and refused usage.

I did not know that regarding Green Lantern, he'd rap. Thanks for the info!

That hasn't sat well with CW, who is now trying to amass every DC show into a shared universe. If they get their way, they'll have Supergirl next year and tie-in Gotham. This way, by the time the next WB DC movies arrive, DC will hopefully own two whole primetime nights on CW. That amount of material makes them as important to WB as it's annually growing revenue.

To me, it's all moot if BvS does an Ultron; good numbers, meh response. It will show WB cannot really capitilze on the IP value, and the market price for the division will be valued at minimum four billion. If Civil War tops BvS, which I think it will, I'm betting WB gets broken into pieces or acquired by Legendary/Wanda.

Since CBS and THE CW are sort of siblings, I could see The CW acquiring Supergirl, but I'm not so sure about Gotham. Gotham, even though it's a show based on the beginnings of a comic book character, has a very different and far more violent vibe than anything on The CW. Plus, I can't see Fox willing to give Gotham up as it does fairly well for them in the ratings field.

I definitely agree that if BvS gets it butt handed to it by CA:CW, I have a feeling that WB would suffer a fate similar to the one you described.

[hedrap]

It's all about fifedoms. WB allowed DC rights to be splintered into pieces for decades. That why Hal Jordan was never on a Dini/Timm cartoon. Joel Silver had the rights and refused usage.

The Nolan-era management tried to corral all the rights back for Legendary and Nolan/Goyer, before the WB/Legendary blowout.

The current WB team was originally going to make a unified DCU, so the Arrow/Flash producers were under the guise they were apart of Man Of Steel and whatever else. But the main WB guy freaked at how long it would take to develop the architecture and lay the foundation. The film people wanted control of the tv product, but Arrow was already established and the CW/Turner people don't feel their subservient to the film division.

Geoff Johns then pitched multiversity as the unified theory of DC media. So if people like CW Flash more, he could theoretically replace Movie Flash. But when Affleck and Ratner took over BvS, rewriting that into Dawn along with Justice League's massive reworking, they disconnected DC cinema and turned the other divisions into pseudo promotional arms.

That hasn't sat well with CW, who is now trying to amass every DC show into a shared universe. If they get their way, they'll have Supergirl next year and tie-in Gotham. This way, by the time the next WB DC movies arrive, DC will hopefully own two whole primetime nights on CW. That amount of material makes them as important to WB as it's annually growing revenue.

To me, it's all moot if BvS does an Ultron; good numbers, meh response. It will show WB cannot really capitilze on the IP value, and the market price for the division will be valued at minimum four billion. If Civil War tops BvS, which I think it will, I'm betting WB gets broken into pieces or acquired by Legendary/Wanda.

[MIB41]

I'm assuming the studios are looking to eventually make a stand alone Flash film which likely means they do not want to involve an actor playing that hero that people watch for free every week competing with a massive big budget film that people will need to pay to enjoy. So I'm confident they want some disassociation to the show so people don't feel like they are paying to see an extra long episode of the same thing with a bigger budget. Having said that, it would have been cool to see Grant Gustin in a big budget film. I would have liked it allot.

[Hector]

I personally can't admit that, I didn't really like Smallville. I tried and tried but it never took, partly because I found Welling drab but also, it wouldn't commit to being Superman.

Man of Steel was needlessly convoluted and the Super angst was dumb but at least it was Superman.

That's why I like the Flash series, sure it has all the romantic sub plots and emo nonsense that Smallville did but it also features a lead who puts the costume on and is a Superhero. It works!

Exacto mundo...Tom Welling was and never will be Superman.

[Hector]

As a lifelong Superman fan, I found him duller than dishwater and the last thing I wanted was a Smallville movie.

I'm sure you are sick to death of me saying this (it's okay, you can say it, lol)...but Tom Welling sucks...and all the Smallville master prints should be burned into a crisp...the worst so called "Superman" production of all times. I'd rather watch Turkish, Indian, and Filipino Superman on YouTube. Heck, I despise Paul Blart: Mall Cop, but I rather watch that again than one second of Smallville...

[Blue Meanie]

Flash and Arrow are MILES ahead of Smallville. All I am saying is how many times have they tried to reboot Supes and it has failed. You had a built in audience with the show...common sense would have said take the cast and put them in a movie and see what happens. Not spend millions upon millions and get drek out of it in the end. They probably could have done the reboots for a 1/4 of what the spent and in the process see if it worked. These reboots haven't in my opinion. Again, it is about consistency. Why there are two different versions of the characters is just idiotic in my opinion. The only way it works, in my opinion, is if you say that these are 2 different realities and DC/Warner hasn't said that at all...except in the TV series that they have done so far. I'm loving the TV stuff that DC is doing on TV because it falls right in my wheelhouse of Earth 2. I would rather see an Infinity Inc movie then see the JLA...especially with the cast that was shown last night in the special. Again, as awful as Joker looks in Suicide Squad...that looks better than what this Batman Vs Superman looks like. That's not saying much either. All that being said I can't wait until Thursday for Legends Of Tomorrow. Probably going to top Flash and Arrow in my opinion.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^I liked Smallville at the time, but I think the Flash and even Arrow have pointed out Smallville's weak points. The current shows manage to move forward and shake up the status quo just enough to not seem stagnant and infuriating. Last night's Flash shook things up once again. It took Smallville 8 seasons to actually change anything.

Chris

[palitoy]

As dull as he may have been, you have to admit that Smallville was better than any of the Superman reboots. Those are just awful.

I personally can't admit that, I didn't really like Smallville. I tried and tried but it never took, partly because I found Welling drab but also, it wouldn't commit to being Superman.

Man of Steel was needlessly convoluted and the Super angst was dumb but at least it was Superman.

That's why I like the Flash series, sure it has all the romantic sub plots and emo nonsense that Smallville did but it also features a lead who puts the costume on and is a Superhero. It works!

[Earth 2 Chris]

I'm just waiting for Hector to weigh in on this.

With Superman...while I was a fan of Smallville, and wouldn't have minded if the cast carried on into the movie series, I understand it. But Flash ISN'T a household name like Superman. To me, since he's not omnipresent like Supes or Bats, you shouldn't have live action versions competing for the general audience's attention.

CHris

[Blue Meanie]

As a lifelong Superman fan, I found him duller than dishwater and the last thing I wanted was a Smallville movie.

As dull as he may have been, you have to admit that Smallville was better than any of the Superman reboots. Those are just awful.

[palitoy]

Welling was perfect as Clark/Superman.

As a lifelong Superman fan, I found him duller than dishwater and the last thing I wanted was a Smallville movie.

[EMCE Hammer]

And it's pretty obvious that Time Warner based their Flash head off Cast-A-Way's generic hero head.

[EMCE Hammer]

I think of the DC movies as subpar Elseworlds and the TV stuff as the real deal.

[Blue Meanie]

Recasting for any of these films is stupid. Best example would be DC was ripe for doing a Superman movie just as Smallville was ending its run on TV. Perfect ending for the show and perfect beginning for the movie would have been last scene of the TV series you see Clark heading off to Metropolis and then at the end of the credits have a blurb about how you will be able to see the continuing story in next years Superman the movie. That cast was almost perfect for a movie. DC blew it and have what I can't even recognize as movie/s. Welling was perfect as Clark/Superman. Michael Rosenbaum was perfect as Luthor. Erica Durance was perfect as Lois Lane. It's completely idiotic that they HAD to go for established stars instead of tapping into what was already a built in audience. Same goes for any other movie that they may do. Marvel has done the complete opposite of what DC has done and gotten it right. Then again Marvel hasn't done TV as well as DC has done it. That's why it's a reverse situation for Marvel.

Again, I go back to the whole premise that DC/Warner is run by a bunch of "Bean Counters" and NOT by fans that get it and that understand what bringing those characters to life is all about. It's about CONSISTENCY. That's why DC is in a complete MESS with their continuity and comic sales. It's sad that they've destroyed not only their universe but their fan base.

[sprytel]

If they decided to bring the charm of Flash and Arrow to the big screen, then I'd be all for it. But based on what I have seen of the DC Cinematic Universe, I am *so* glad they are keeping these as two separate and distinct entities.