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  • Brazoo
    Permanent Member
    • Feb 14, 2009
    • 4767

    Interesting take from a prominent retailer RE: Star Wars/Disney/Marvel

    Toronto's The Beguiling has an editorial on their homepage pleading that Star Wars remains licensed by Dark Horse and claims Marvel's take over of Pixar/Disney comics has potentially cost them thousands:

    Editorial: Keep the Star Wars comic books at Dark Horse, please.
    Posted Wednesday, October 31, 2012
    We don't normally write editorials like this on our blog, preferring to remain more 'comics agnostic' when it comes to genre publishers, but we felt we should say something.

    Marvel's acquisition of the Disney/Pixar license for comics has potentially cost us thousands of dollars since January 2011.

    Marvel Comics has drastically reduced the publication of Pixar and Disney Comics titles since the rights were pulled back from BOOM Studios almost two years ago following Disney's purchase of Marvel. With today's purchase of Lucasfilm and the Star Wars property by Disney, we would greatly appreciate it if Disney, Marvel, and Lucasfilm could just lead the Star Wars properties alone, and with Dark Horse. Dark Horse is doing a fine job with this material, working hard to keep it in print at various price points and in various formats. Putting the Star Wars comics at Marvel will hurt our bottom line, and we believe the bottom line of all direct market comics retailers.

    Briefly: At the height of production, BOOM! Studios had been publishing as many as 10 comics a month featuring the Pixar and Disney characters. During their tenure with the license from January 2009 through December 2010 (2 years), they produced roughly 200 comics, and more than 30 trade paperbacks of that material. We don't normally share numbers, but here goes: we were ordering between 10 and 15 copies of each issue, and 75 and 200 of each trade paperback, to be distributed through retail and specialty channels.

    In the two years since Marvel acquired the license (January 2011-December 2012), they will have produced approximately 8 comic books, 8 magazines, and near as we can tell, 4 graphic novels (only 2 in 2012). Some of that was reprints of BOOM! comics. Some of that was reprints of Dark Horse Comics from a few years back. I should also note that it's difficult for us to be sure about these, as there is not a dedicated Disney/Pixar section on the Marvel website after two years.

    What you're seeing there is a 90% drop in production on highly salable product. Books with international name recognition that we were selling a ton of, and those sales basically evaporated.

    Now lets talk about Dark Horse.

    Dark Horse is producing 4-5 comics based on the Star Wars franchise every month. Dark Horse is producing trade paperbacks of that material, omnibuses of that material, reprints of that material. Quite a bit of that material. We'd say probably 10-12 new trade paperbacks a year, 4-5 reprints. We're worried, and I think justifiably so, that Marvel will do to the Star Wars license what they've done to the Pixar license, and just take hundreds of salable comics and dozens of salable trade paperbacks out of the market, to be replaced by... nothing.

    Or rather, 4 comic books, 4 magazines, and 2 trade paperbacks per year, which is almost worse than nothing.

    No specific disrespect to Marvel is intended with this message, they publish superheroes very well. Unfortunately they have elected not to publish Disney/Pixar comics despite having the license to do so, and made us (and quite a few fans) unhappy in the process. We're just saying: don't fix what isn't broken. Let Marvel continue to publish superheroes, and let comics retailers and the book market continue to sell Star Wars comics. Particularly since we've been so badly deprived of Disney/Pixar comics, over the past 2 years.

    Sincerely,

    The Staff of The Beguiling
  • EMCE Hammer
    Moderation Engineer
    • Aug 14, 2003
    • 25766

    #2
    Speaking as a parent of young children, it's frustrating that it's so hard to find Disney/Pixar stuff. I have one who loves Mickey Mouse, and two who would enjoy Toy Story and Cars. They miss Superhero Squad too.

    I was just thinking the other day while in a Disney store of how I miss the old WB stores. This is the same thing, only comics.

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    • ctc
      Fear the monkeybat!
      • Aug 16, 2001
      • 11183

      #3
      Hmmmm....

      It's an interesting point, but I think there are a few steps going on in between. Part of the problem with Marvel taking over stuff like that.... which they elude to in the post but don't quite hit.... is that a "Marvel" comic comes with a LOT of presuppositions. Mostly pertaining to dudes in tights, which they've been doing exclusively for so long I can understand them not knowing what to do with something like the Disney stuff. Marvel comics are also sequestered in places where Disney stuff has little appeal; the Beguiling being something of an exception since they're always trying to reach out to new readers.

      Marvel might do better with Star Wars; there's more appeal to the kind of folks haunting the shops where Marvel stuff is sold. It's interesting that Disney didn't ramrod their stuff theough when Marvel got it, widening distribution channels and perhaps even getting the books back on newsstands and the like. (Which they COULD do.) I suspect that's more of them not seeing the comics as a viable stream of revenue and therefore not wanting to sink the resources into it.

      Don C.

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      • Brazoo
        Permanent Member
        • Feb 14, 2009
        • 4767

        #4
        Originally posted by EMCE Hammer
        Speaking as a parent of young children, it's frustrating that it's so hard to find Disney/Pixar stuff. I have one who loves Mickey Mouse, and two who would enjoy Toy Story and Cars. They miss Superhero Squad too.

        I was just thinking the other day while in a Disney store of how I miss the old WB stores. This is the same thing, only comics.
        Two of my nieces (the 9 year-old twins) have been loving the new Fantigraphics Carl Barks hardcovers:



        The old black and white Mickey Mouse comic strips have been collected in nice volumes too, but to me they didn't seem as timeless as the Carl Barks duck books because of the old/weird dialog used in them - so I didn't get them those.

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        • Brazoo
          Permanent Member
          • Feb 14, 2009
          • 4767

          #5
          Originally posted by ctc
          Hmmmm....

          It's an interesting point, but I think there are a few steps going on in between. Part of the problem with Marvel taking over stuff like that.... which they elude to in the post but don't quite hit.... is that a "Marvel" comic comes with a LOT of presuppositions. Mostly pertaining to dudes in tights, which they've been doing exclusively for so long I can understand them not knowing what to do with something like the Disney stuff. Marvel comics are also sequestered in places where Disney stuff has little appeal; the Beguiling being something of an exception since they're always trying to reach out to new readers.

          Marvel might do better with Star Wars; there's more appeal to the kind of folks haunting the shops where Marvel stuff is sold. It's interesting that Disney didn't ramrod their stuff theough when Marvel got it, widening distribution channels and perhaps even getting the books back on newsstands and the like. (Which they COULD do.) I suspect that's more of them not seeing the comics as a viable stream of revenue and therefore not wanting to sink the resources into it.

          Don C.
          When I read this I also thought The Beguiling is maybe in a unique position - since they also own the "world's only kids comics shop".

          I had honestly never thought much about current Pixar/Disney comics much before reading this - but it does seem weird to me that Marvel isn't doing ANYTHING with the Disney properties. I know that my nieces would love Disney Princess comics - if they were even mildly entertaining and drawn well. I guess it is hard to go with my nieces as a marketing focus group though - because I know not all little girls have an uncle trying to push comics on them.

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          • torgospizza
            Theocrat of Pan Tang
            • Aug 19, 2010
            • 2747

            #6
            It just dawned on me now's the time to finish collecting those DH TPB reprints of Marvel's run.

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            • Figuremod73
              That 80's guy
              • Jul 27, 2011
              • 3017

              #7
              I doubt Disney/Marvel will allow Dark Horse to retain the SW's right beyond what is currently agreed upon.

              Marvel desperately needs to restructure itself with material outside of superheroes. DC has "sorta" did it. Dell and Gold Key had variety for decades and did fine. (Until they were taken out of the quick marts?) It's time to test the waters outside of the comic shops once again and gain another generation of comic readers. They gotta make them cheap again though. Bring back the newsprint.

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              • Figuremod73
                That 80's guy
                • Jul 27, 2011
                • 3017

                #8
                Marvel might do better with Star Wars; there's more appeal to the kind of folks haunting the shops where Marvel stuff is sold. It's interesting that Disney didn't ramrod their stuff theough when Marvel got it, widening distribution channels and perhaps even getting the books back on newsstands and the like. (Which they COULD do.) I suspect that's more of them not seeing the comics as a viable stream of revenue and therefore not wanting to sink the resources into it.
                I think Disneys pessimistic about the future of comics in print. I will never understand this way of thinking. Why do companies assume everyone has access to a computer and internet. It's gonna be a sad day when you cant even go get a paper without going online.

                I REALLY think they just wanted the properties to licenses and films.

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                • madmarva
                  Talkative Member
                  • Jul 7, 2007
                  • 6445

                  #9
                  Maybe Marvel will be smart and hire Darkhorse's Star Wars editor to keep the product rolling. the editor could then work with the freelancers he wanted.

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                  • ctc
                    Fear the monkeybat!
                    • Aug 16, 2001
                    • 11183

                    #10
                    >I doubt Disney/Marvel will allow Dark Horse to retain the SW's right beyond what is currently agreed upon.

                    Me too.

                    >Marvel desperately needs to restructure itself with material outside of superheroes.

                    Oh, HELL yeah!

                    >DC has "sorta" did it.

                    Not really.

                    >Dell and Gold Key had variety for decades and did fine. (Until they were taken out of the quick marts?)

                    Yeah.... that happened in the 80's when the speculators moved in, we got a new wave of "comis isn't fer kids!!!!" from the media, and comic book came to equal superhero. The books got sequestered in the comic shops, and lost their pipelines of new readers. (Like my buddy Rob mentioned on his site.... and we discussed in another thread here.)

                    >It's time to test the waters outside of the comic shops once again and gain another generation of comic readers. They gotta make them cheap again though. Bring back the newsprint.

                    The tests were done, Shonen Jump won by doing exactly what you mention. Why the Big Two-ish didn't follow suit is beyond me. I think maybe the problem is conceptual: the comic shop crowd would cry up the devil if you used cheaper paper, or.... Cthulhu forbid!.... published in black and white; and would be adverse to books that were different from the formulas of the 80's.... whereas the news stand crowd doesn't care for superheroes, and the Big Two-ish would be hard pressed to convince them that ANYTHING they did wasn't going to eventually degenerate into grimacing 14 year old power fantasy.

                    >I think Disneys pessimistic about the future of comics in print.

                    I don't know if they feel pessimistic. I suyspect they don't feel ANYTHING, and kep the comics around as nostalgia. I think that's been the problem for Marvel and DC's books for a while; nobody cares 'cos the comic publishing wings are a tiny part of a megaconglomerate, and don't bring in the big bucks like the movies, toys and tv shows.

                    >it does seem weird to me that Marvel isn't doing ANYTHING with the Disney properties.

                    I think that goes to my last; no matter what they do it won't bring in the cash of another direct to disk sequel, so the parent company doesn't bother.

                    >I guess it is hard to go with my nieces as a marketing focus group though - because I know not all little girls have an uncle trying to push comics on them.

                    This plays to another of my earlier points: you're right that there's a neglected audience here. Look at how many girls loved the Japanese stuff.... even the ACTION stuff. Not that I'm beating the drum that all comics should have big eyes and speed lines, but as a marketing experiment it shows that yes, girls WILL read comics and accordingly they're missing out on a BIG audience by not playing to them. Disney's sort of playing with the idea.... with their run of Tinkerbell dvds for instance.... but again, I don't think they care about comics 'cos the profit is so much smaller.

                    Don C.

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                    • Figuremod73
                      That 80's guy
                      • Jul 27, 2011
                      • 3017

                      #11
                      DC does have the johnny dc books although after looking them up there isnt much there.
                      A lot of the cancelled books look more appealing.

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                      • Bruce Banner
                        HULK SMASH!
                        • Apr 3, 2010
                        • 4335

                        #12
                        I guess DH themselves don't even know yet whether their SW license will be renewed... judging by this post from the official Dark Horse Twitter site:

                        Our partnership with LucasFilm has produced over 20 yrs worth of stories. We have Star Wars for the near future, and hope for years to come.
                        But it seems almost certain that Disney will release SW comics via Marvel once the DH license expires.
                        PUNY HUMANS!

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