Angie Harmon as...The She-Hulk.

[samurainoir]

They'll be afraid that look will turn audiences away. So if they do her motion capture and animate her she won't be muscular-probably not at all. Maybe in scenes where she really has to give whatever she's doing a lot of effort we'll see some muscles bulging. She's not overly muscular in the comics either. So they will probably film an actress for real.

But let's be realistic then... using this image of She-Hulk you provided as how she should look. Someone like this does not exist in nature quite readily, it's via John Byrne's scribblings that she comes to life, not photographed imagery. Now find a bodybuilder with this physique, and can she act? Does she have the box office recognition they need? Can a "name" actress that is bankable bulk up to this extent for this role without 'roids within a cycle of casting/shooting film schedule? One way or another, they are going the enhanced CG route, even if it's tweaking the Green and physique for those scenes you describe where she needs to demonstrate feats of strength. What you are describing will inevitably be CG motion capture no matter what, where the actress is walking around set with the suit with the little dot sensors at some point or another to pull off She Hulk doing action scenes.


Here is the link showing you that Angelina Jolie was definitely not filmed in the way you describe as "enhanced" for Beowulf. She was motion captured onto a digital creation. If you are using that as an example of how to do it, you are arguing FOR the CG motion capture route!

http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2005/11/08/jolie-dressed-to-the-9s-for-beowulf/

[kingdom warrior]

...nevermind. Johnny said what I was trying to say better

[johnmiic]

^^^ Your pic and link aren't working - at least they don't show up for me, (blue square w/question mark and the link says "forbidden").

If She-Hulk had been in the Avengers I have no doubt they would have gone the forced perspective/composite route. If they do She-Hulk in any Marvel film their first fear will be she looks too much like a female bodybuilder. They'll be afraid that look will turn audiences away. So if they do her motion capture and animate her she won't be muscular-probably not at all. Maybe in scenes where she really has to give whatever she's doing a lot of effort we'll see some muscles bulging. She's not overly muscular in the comics either. So they will probably film an actress for real.

Their second fear will be the dreaded uncanny valley which has thwarted films from Final Fantasy to Tin-Tin. The only really successful cgi- realistic character so far has been Gollum. I think people accepted him because he wasn't a good-guy but an emaciated, complex villain. He was not trying to be good-looking or heroic. People suspended their disbelief because they were distrustful of him and revolted by his appearance. A perfect way to turn the uncanny valley in your favor.

I wasn't impressed by the blue aliens in Avatar. They didn't look real to me but I gave it a pass because they were alien. When I see something alien I don't always question whether it's real enough. I realize Yoda was cgi in Attack and Revenge but it looks like Yoda from the `80's so I accepted it. I thought the green martians of John Carter were slightly better but still not quite real enough. The most chance for success is doing it forced perspective LOTR style. It would probably be cheaper and removes 2 big obstacles to making her believable. That could also allow for 1 actress to probably play both roles: Jen and She-Hulk.

"...at what point does the motion capture actress end and CG creation begin?" If they do it right we won't be able to tell and that would make it successful. The best effect is one that goes unnoticed.

[samurainoir]

Which leads the question at what point does the motion capture actress end and CG creation begin? Jolie's character was inarguably a motion capture CG creation in Beowulf... Not forced perspective and prosthetics like The hobbits. They are two different things.

If you are enlarging and colouring an actress green anyways, they will undoubtably enhance the musculature and features to make her seem more like She Hulk anyways... Again turning her more or less into a CG element no matter how you slice it. At this point in the age of Post Avatar it seems kind of odd to dismiss the notion completely of creating a believable character and still feminine in post. It's been done already dozens of times. She Hulk is going to be done in motion capture CG inevitably, and just like every other CG creation in the past ten years, no one will care because it's so commonplace now.

Here is how they "enhanced" Jolie... They motion captured her, and then the animators went to work. No different than if they cast her as She Hulk, if that is the suggestion of how to do it.

http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2005/11/08/jolie-dressed-to-the-9s-for-beowulf/

[kingdom warrior]

But she did get the part in the She-Hulk porno!

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew she looks like Ron Jeremy!......

[ODBJBG]

Chynna is an old has been wrestler who can't act and has done Porn...NO Hollywood actor with a big budget would even audition her....LOL!!!

But she did get the part in the She-Hulk porno!

[johnmiic]

Height and body mass can be faked using cgi to tweak an actresses look but She-Hulk can't be done full-blown cgi. Unlike The HULK, She-Hulk is not a raging, ripped, super-muscled hero. She-Hulk would appear to be a normal woman except for color and size. Recall the premise of this issue? It was established here and is a good point in regards to how she looks:



Also just look how they mixed and composited regular people as Hobbits, Dwarves, etc. in the LOTR trillogy. An actress might have to wear some color body make-up but it would probably be enhanced in post. Like Angelina Jolie in Beowulf, any actresses body can be stretched to appear more massive. I suspect Jolie is way thinner than what her character is shown as in the film. Of all the cgi in Beoulf I think Jolie was probably the best combo of actress footage to cgi render.

Angie Harmon is a good choice-just not bankable. She hasn't proven to be popular enough to carry a big budget film. Still before the first Iron Man became a big hit a lot of people were skeptical of the choice for Stark/Iron Man. If they feature her as a member of the Avengers in a sequel and she proves herself she might get a stand alone film.

[kingdom warrior]

Nope IMO a CGI She-Hulk wouldn't work and green paint? are you serious? who would do that in the digital age?....colors and size can be fixed post production....you you need a Human actress to pull Jenn's character off a CG She-hulk would look dumb.. the Hulk I get no one can be that big....

[samurainoir]

Given that at this point, She Hulk would probably have to be a CG creation anyways, just like her cousin is now established as a motion capture suit creation, they would focus on casting Jennifer Walters primarily I'd imagine.

That way you don't have to worry about casting a seven foot tall woman with the proper musculature and physicality. Focus on an actress who can pull off the charm and humour of She Hulk. Heck, cast Andy Serkis.

I really don't think this would have worked too well.


As much as I love the Benny Hill She Hulk skit, no one is going to take a super model in green paint too seriously when there is now certain expectations of what a Hulk is given where contemporary SFX have taken us. I remember all the fuss kicked up when they first announced Hulk as a CG creation Vs casting a body builder... Three movies later it's a given and no one is disputing how well it worked in the Avengers this past summer. Heck I distinctly remember a thread here proclaiming that Rise of the Planet of the Apes was doomed to failure because Ceasar and the other apes were CG and not guys in rubber masks... I mean you had that in the Burton film and you see how well that worked out.

[kingdom warrior]

Angie is a great actress and all, but the She-Hulk????

Ummmm...only if she plays Jennifer; you'd need someone with the musculature of the lady wrestler Chynna to be the actual She-Hulk.

Chynna is an old has been wrestler who can't act and has done Porn...NO Hollywood actor with a big budget would even audition her....LOL!!!

[kingdom warrior]

She has the sexiest voice ever.

Nope, Kathleen Turner blows her away........

[kingdom warrior]

Nah, they'd just do motion capture on her like they did Ruffalo in Avengers. It could work. I've always liked her.

Chris

Actually no, She-Hulk is a character you need a real actress to pull off not CGI. You need to find someone new who is 6 feet plus and then add some weight to. She-Hulk stays herself all the time a different actress to be her is only needed for a few minutes in the first film.....

Angie Harmon is delusional if she thinks she would get that part...she has no big Box office appeal and no producer would give her that part........plus she's 5'9 and 39 years old....she's too old for the part and not tall enough

[jds1911a1]

She is a very good actress who has shown her skills in drama, and she was comissioner Barbara gordon in batman beyond too. The fact that she is attractive and tall only helps.

[Marvelmania]

I always thought Conan had a great sense of humor! Had no idea the She-Hulk carried guns now.

[Mikey]

She has the sexiest voice ever.