Spider-Man: One More Day Conclusion

[danadoll]

Quesada seems real good at creating hype and controversy (and letting Marvel's characters get majorly screwed over by writers without editorial boundries) to get big sales and get news (Alpha Flight's off-panel death, Civil War, Cap's death and now Spidey's deal with the devil to disolve his marriage and save his dear ancient auntie)...Not to mention a lot of the bad editorial decisions this deal is erasing (Spider Totem, Organic web-shooters, Peter unmasking, etc...) are Joe Q's fault in the first place.

All these years that he's been EiC, he should have been concentrating on keeping the heroes of Marvel on-model and making sure they weren't getting screwed-up to the point that deals with Mephisto were necessary to "fix" things.

Dana

[Bo8a_Fett]

I thought the whole idea of the Ultimate line was to update the heroes for modern times and if they wanted to do MJ less stories this was the place to do it. Why mess with the originals continuity ...only to have someone else try and change it back once Quesada leaves...when they have a title where they can explore a marriageless spidey in ultimate....not only does it smack of sensationalism but a poor attempt to drag the franchise back on course(the wrong one as far as the marraige is concerned imo) after the events in civil war.
Does this mean we're gonna witness a yearly Doc Doom/Spiderman team up where they both try to get their Mother/Wife back from Mepphisto???

[jds1911a1]

I stand corrected

[thunderbolt]

^^^ I think it was Yankees Stadium.

[jds1911a1]

Just keep in mind that it was Stan who insisted on marrying off Peter and MJ in the first place. He wanted the comic book to coincide with the comic strip he was writing at the time.

I seem to recall they had to do some dancing around to make that happen. Weren't Peter and MJ "just friends" at that point (because MJ had figured out that he was Spiderman) and Peter was dating the Black Cat?

I still remember what a big media event that marriage of Spiderman was. I think they even performed a ceremony with actors dressed as Spiderman and MJ, who wore a dress by a famous designer.

your memory is correct they did have a ceremony (times sq i think)

[jds1911a1]

Crash SIMPSON (stepfather figure) has his cancer cured by Mephisto (whom Johnny Blaze at the time believed to be "Satan"), before dying performing a motorcycle stunt.

Although the movie swapped out Barton Blaze in place of Crash Simpson.

OOPS I guess I need to buy the essentials and re read it (over the years most of my GR issues got ruined)

[The Toyroom]

Sounds like Quesada and "editorial" made a nice f'ed up mess of the Spidey mythos...with no explanation of how it was done other than "It's magic". I said it before and I'll say it again....magic does not belong smack-dab in the middle of the Spidey universe. Yes he can mix it up occassionally on the fringe but not in the core book(s).

[samurainoir]

For those that are interested, some fascinating commentary about the behind the scenes creative process from both Joe Q and JMS over at comicbookresources.com and newsarama.com.

JMS makes some valid points. He also REALLY wanted to undo Gwen's affair with Norman and the two kids that resulted.

[Megospidey]

Can't stand it!

What bothers me is that when writers get themselves into a pickle (like this story), the typical solution is either divine intervention or a deal with the devil.

"Hey, we can't write ourselves out of this one, so let's have God or Satan wave their magic wand and take us back to before all this started! Great idea!"

To me, the thing that makes the Spider-man series different from other Superhero comics is the love story between Peter and MJ. Now they've taken that away. What are they going to do? Bring back Gwen Stacy now?

Sure they can write it (Peter's and MJ's relationship) back as Anthony (toyroom) said, but in my world, no one waves a magic wand when something goes wrong or bad.

People die. Let Aunt May die. She is not going to live forever anyway. No one does. Let the old woman die. LET HER DIE!!!!!

This kind of story-line is why I gave up on reading Spider-man a long time ago. Give me Ditko and Romita, thank you very much.

[Mego Milk]

Peter should'a woke up BEFORE he got his spidey powers.
That would be cool.
Maybe Green Goblin would have become..Cap's villain or something.

reachin'.

[Goblin19]

Why didn't they have Peter wake up and realize the last 20 years were just a dream. That's only slightly more ridiculous.

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

It kinda bugs me when folks analyse stuff like this. Kinda. Whatever happened to reading something and whatever happens happens; like it or not?

Probably a combo of growing up, and being smacked in the face with a number of really, REALLY bad stories. Fair enough.

And yeah; a lot of it no doubt looks familiar. Like I said in another post; you can only do SO MANY stories before you start lapping yourself. And if you don't want to go back to the days of Batman flying the Batplane to Alpha Centauri to solve space-crime you're gonna run out of stories that much faster.

Don C.

[samurainoir]

I'm sure they will reveal how the sequence of events kept Harry from dying.

Given how overexposed and overused Norman has been since his return following the clone sage, it was about time that Harry got back into the spotlight. Particularly since the public is pretty familiar with him now thanks to the movies.

I like Norman's new position as director of Thunderbolts. It's obvious that Warren Ellis is having gleeful fun writing the character trying to keep it together and his insanity at bay.

[samurainoir]

So, if Harry's alive...and MJ was never married to Peter, does Venom exist? Remember when MJ first saw venom hiding in the closet with an evil smile? She thought it was Pete. But now, that never happened.

Venom is still around, although he's inhabiting Mac Gargon,AKA The Scorpion.

I'm quite enjoying how he's being potrayed in The Thunderbolts.





Anyone else think this is pretty much a retread of the Charles Atlas "How Venom made a man out of Mac" parody that appeared in What The?! a decade ago? ("Stop kicking SANDMAN in my face!")

[samurainoir]

I've been checking out the Marvel Podcast every now and then. I think that at some time during every podcast I've listened to, someone from Marvel say's, "Just think how different the MU would be if Stan was still in charge." Which is a great point, because Stan was fearless with the characters. Stan would probably have killed off Aunt May and MJ years ago, but he wouldn't negate 20 years of stories with something as rediculous as a "deal with the devil".

Stupid stupid stupid.

Just keep in mind that it was Stan who insisted on marrying off Peter and MJ in the first place. He wanted the comic book to coincide with the comic strip he was writing at the time.

I seem to recall they had to do some dancing around to make that happen. Weren't Peter and MJ "just friends" at that point (because MJ had figured out that he was Spiderman) and Peter was dating the Black Cat?

I still remember what a big media event that marriage of Spiderman was. I think they even performed a ceremony with actors dressed as Spiderman and MJ, who wore a dress by a famous designer.