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Is it just me or does the word "reboot" want to make most people vomit? I think there would be a huge market if the characters went old school with golden or silver age covers.....use the same materials used to make the comics (i.e. not highest quality) and go back to basic story lines that would appeal to a kid rather than an adult. I don't understand why it has to be so overcomplicated when most of us ( or at least me) just want comics to not be overly deep or deal with adult issues. I already have enough of it in the real world and would just like to escape in a world that takes me back to the good old days.
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"The farther we go, the more the ultimate explanation recedes from us, and all we have left is faith."
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>Is it just me or does the word "reboot" want to make most people vomit?
Yeah. I HATED that show!
No.... wait....
>I think there would be a huge market if the characters went old school with golden or silver age covers.....use the same materials used to make the comics (i.e. not highest quality) and go back to basic story lines that would appeal to a kid rather than an adult.
Y'know; I think it'd be better if they didn't bother with the whole reboot thinhg and did like they used to: just put out the book, and if you change it let the pieces fall where they may. Nobody cared if things meshed before "story arc" and "continuity" became buzzwords back in the 80's. I'm betting people wouldn't care so much now, either. Well; they'd cry and moan but still buy the books. (Like they do now all over the internets ANYWAY.) And you wouldn't be hamstrung by trying to figure out how everything fits into the overall scheme of things, which would let you try stuff that was actually DIFFERENT. ("So.... how exactly does "Final Crisis" affect "Fanboy" and "Major Bummer?")
>I don't understand why it has to be so overcomplicated when most of us ( or at least me) just want comics to not be overly deep or deal with adult issues.
Therein lies the rub: oldster types want the good ol' days back.... but that's NOT going to attract the kids; who want stories pertinent to THEM. Think back to when YOU were a kid or a teen; how super-intense things were. How bigger than life everything felt. How every disaster was the end of the world for you. And it WAS; 'cos you had nothing to compare it to. But those feelings were there, and they were real; which is why kids and teens gravitate to stories that are overwroguht, shocking, melodramatic.... it's what they know. When you get older and experience a few things, your perspective changes. Stuff that once thrilled now seems hokey, shallow, schlocky....
That's why I kinda feel bad for Marvel and DC: they've got to appeal to their fan base and still attract new readers: two groups with radicly different desires. The oldsters want the "Bif! POW!" Batman, whereas the younger types want the "Dark Knight."
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Funny when i was a kid starting to read comics in the early 70's, I was exposed to Golden age comics, the horror comics from the 50's and the Marvel comics from the 60's first. actually my first modern comics were the magazines put out by Warren publishing
Comic books that were already around for 30,20 10 years and yet they totally appealed to me. I never ever said wow these comics suck cause they're so old and not GROOVY enough for me.
I as a kid saw no difference except in the art......but hey that's Superman no matter what i thought.......
are today's kids more hip? not really...but they are exposed to too many adult themes that I wasn't and they shouldn't either.
but then again I lived in a different world in those days comics were published without the expectations that they face today......back then executives weren't living off the money made from comics and the licensing......like they do today.Comment
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>are today's kids more hip? not really...but they are exposed to too many adult themes that I wasn't and they shouldn't either.
I dunno.... if you grew up with 50's horror comics and the Warren mags they're on par with the more questionable "Big Two and a Half comics."
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The Comicbook Definition of REBOOT :
"Nonsense We came up with at 2 O'clock in the Morning on 50 Pots of Coffee that did Believe it or not sound cool , but in a Years time realize now we Failed. Everyone will go back to thier classic Costumes with a Brand New #1 or back to thier origional Numbering . But hey ..., it's not a Total loss ..., because 2 titles were successful. "
... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.
always trading for Hot Toys Figures .
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Yeah, see the Warren stuff was scary but I never took drawings seriously I knew that wasn't real.... news was real to me and that always bothered me more as a kid still does to this day.
The Kids today are exposed to more adult themes in their comics than we were and we only had one source there weren't 5 different versions of a hero for every age group.....Comment
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From my experience, I think this is very true.
One of the things that drove me out of the comic shop in the 90's was stuff like Knightfall and the Death of Superman events.
I would read the write-up in the newspaper about these and just shake my head thinking 'they're gonna undo all of this, just wait and see'. And a few months later when the newspapers breathlessly reported that these characters were coming back I'd just roll my eyes. And I still roll my eyes at the thought of these.
But I have a friend who's about 15 years younger than I am and he talks like the Death of Superman is one of the greatest things. He talks about it in the same way we talk about the Dark Knight Returns or Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. His parents even have pictures he drew of Doomsday when he was a teenager.Comment
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It's a fine line between doing "events" that get press and hype to entice new readership and keeping the faithful, lifelong fans and reders happy. Which path will be more profitable? That's the question the editors and publisher have to ask.
DC is making a gigantic mistake with this entire re-launch, and it may be a unrecoverable error. Marvel had their fair share of missteps like Wolverine's bone claws, Spider-Man's one more day stuff and Secret Wars. They eventually pulled out of their spiralling nose dive, but it took a while.
If this fails, the results and lack of rewards should be measured fairly quickly, perhaps six months or less. If they do not react immediately, they are going to take a massive hit that might sink the ship. You think licensors and advertising partners are going to go along with these changes?
I see nothing positive about any of this, not one thing. I could have given it a chance had they opted to give The Marvel family a book. Instead they have Deathstroke, Mr. Terrific, African Batman, Ressurection Man, Animal Man, Hawkman, Grifter, Voodoo, Blue Beetle, Static and Sgt. Rock with solo books.
I'm totally done with DC. Since that was the only publisher I cared about, I guess I'm done with comics, period. I stopped buying new books last year, so I pulled the band-aid off a while back so this doesn't hurt as bad. This is painful to witness, though. We might be witnessing the iceberg that puts DC down.I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she dumped me before we met.
If anyone here believes in psychokinesis, please raise my hand.Comment
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I don't think it will kill DC altogether, it may kill the monthlies. Warners still needs the characters and will keep them in print in some form.You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie BanksComment
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With sadness, I have just about given up on new comics. I have not been inside a comic book store in over a year! I had some subscriptions, but they have expired. I am getting so tired of one event leads to another to another etc. I thought "Secret Invasion" was a great concept at Marvel, then the mini series was lame. Dark Avengers was good, but it also ended kind of lame (IMHO of course!) I have some of the Marvel DVD Roms from a few years back. I must say I really enjoy those old stories from the 60's to 80's. One reason? Perhaps it was the story lines never carried over more than a few issues? Perhaps comics need to get back to some good story telling, and not event building!Comment
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>DC is making a gigantic mistake with this entire re-launch,
Agreed.
>and it may be a unrecoverable error.
I think history has shown this to be untrue, since EVERY YEAR everyone thinks the new non-event will kill the company and it never does.
>You think licensors and advertising partners are going to go along with these changes?
Assuming they care and/or notice. I kinda get the impression the comics are the "brother in law" of the DC mercandaising empire: they're THERE, every so often they do something funny, but by and large they're ignored by the higher-ups. You can tell 'cos when the movies, tv shows and video games come out SO LITTLE of them is from the comics.... at least from the last 20 years.
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