DC Movies vs Marvel Movies

[Brue]

^^^ When Clooney was attached to the FF, it was to be a period piece with him as Reed Richards.

you know- though i don't care for clooney much i can see him as reed and i really didn't like the version that marvel put out.

i wouldda prefered that

[thunderbolt]

^^^ When Clooney was attached to the FF, it was to be a period piece with him as Reed Richards.

[david_b]

i would say marvel makes better movies but i really like v,watchmen and nolan batman movies. i' d like to see marvel make a decent ff movie whole new cast and director and throw in some negative zone villians.
a new gods movie would be the best thing for dc imo.

Good points on FF.. I didn't mind the actors much (Johnny Storm definitely was charming, but perhaps miscasted..), and it's probably just me, but I would have preferred a period piece instead of current version.

The effects were GREAT no doubt about it, but just to see the characters set back in the early '60s and the cold war would have been a lot cooler to me.

The Negative Zone would also have been SUPER with Blastaar, Annihilus, etc..

david_b

[goldenryan]

i would say marvel makes better movies but i really like v,watchmen and nolan batman movies. i' d like to see marvel make a decent ff movie whole new cast and director and throw in some negative zone villians.
a new gods movie would be the best thing for dc imo.

[jds1911a1]

for both I think the adpataions that are good are really good but there is no middle ground they are great or AWFUL. Marvel's modern stuff has been smart by staying in it's origin source style. it's all the earlier work when studios had creative control that missed the mark. DC tends to be more stylistic and less comic book (especailly the better batman films). What DC needs is to try to branch away from Batman and Superman in something not wrtitten by Alan moore (v for vendetta and watchmen). In the bronze age era DC did much better but that is really just superman 1 and 2

great marvel - Spiderman 1 and 2, iron man, Xmen
Great DC - Superman 1 and 2, batman (89), batman begins, batman darkknight, watchmen
after that it's a big drop down to the second tier (bad but has redeeming moments thanks to some brilliant scenes or shots in bad films
Fantastic four 1 and 2, Spiderman 3, x2, Superman returns, Incredible Hulk (08), Xmen wolverine, superman 3, Ghostrider (flaing cycel shots save a terrible film),
unwatchable - ang lee's hulk (03), superman 4, batman and robin, batman forever, DD, Electra, All 3 punisher films, x3 last stand, Captain America 1990.

the problem in both camps is they think that effects can make a film good and they try to piggyback on the success of the last good one.

[david_b]

As for movies over all, despite the clunkers on both sides.., I like the Marvel adaptations better than the DC ones. But I'm more of a Marvellite anyways. I didn't think much of the Spiderman films, but thought the Fantastic Four one was super.

david_b

[Boris71]

oddly enough I do and am egearly awaiting the other two graphs to come out, I was lucky enough to get the black dossiers wich was only available in the Us for a while due to copyright issues I belive.

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You do know that Top Shelf is currently publishing a new series of LXG Graphic Novellas which comprise the "official" third volume of don't you?
Catalog Top Shelf Productions

http://www.topshelfcomix.com/catalog/covers/league_iii_century_1910_cover_lg.jpg

Plus DC has also published The Black Dossier in the past year. Which isn't quite an official "volume" of the series unto itself, but is an almanac/travelogue featuring all new Mina/Quartermain adventures in text, prose, illustrations and comics.

http://www.comics101.com/comics101//...1/158/loeg.jpg

[samurainoir]

Cool thats fair enough, theonly problen IMO with more owning the rights to LXG is that we maynever see the other stories done and the second book was so cool if dc owned it we would have seen these by now

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You do know that Top Shelf is currently publishing a new series of LXG Graphic Novellas which comprise the "official" third volume of don't you?
Catalog Top Shelf Productions



Plus DC has also published The Black Dossier in the past year. Which isn't quite an official "volume" of the series unto itself, but is an almanac/travelogue featuring all new Mina/Quartermain adventures in text, prose, illustrations and comics.

[Boris71]

Cool thats fair enough, theonly problen IMO with more owning the rights to LXG is that we maynever see the other stories done and the second book was so cool if dc owned it we would have seen these by now

I'm defining DC Comics Movies as properties they own/control.

So yes, I'm counting V as a DC title. My understanding is that the creators handed over their rights to DC in a similar arrangement as Watchmen. DC only has the rights for as long as they keep the work in print, which Alan Moore presumed was the length of the series itself in comic book form. However, this was before Trade Paperback collections could keep the work in print indefinitely, which is what happened, and why DC still retained the rights to both V and Watchmen (and one of the reasons why Moore left DC Comics in the first place, along with the lack of foreign reprint royalties, and censorship issues).

Thus V for Vendetta could be made by the contractual "owners" of the property, DC/Warner Brothers, with no say by it's creators Moore and David Lloyd. Moore, famously handed over his profit participation to artist David LLoyd (along with his profit participation of Constantine and Watchmen to their respective artists).

LXG was and still is owned by Moore, and he sold the film rights as a concept even before the work saw print via ABC/Wildstorm and that company's eventual sale to DC Comics. Because of this, IIRC, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is the only creator owned work at ABC, and that is why he could move the property over to Top Shelf. My understanding is that the rest of the characters like Promethia, Tom Strong, Top Ten et al are owned by Wildstorm with a strong creator profit participation deal.

[huedell]

I don't care to me the 89 Batman and Spiderman 1 were the 2 best

You pretty much summed up my thoughts as well...altho' I like the 2nd ones from those series a little more , I think.

[tay666]

No they were based off the Books created by Robert E. Howard

Boy, that is a real stretch
They are based off of characters created by Robert E Howard, but none of the movies resebles his work in any way.

It's like saying the I Robot movie was based off the Azimov book.
They took the name and a fiew pieces and made the rest up. Doesn't resemble the book in any way, shape, or form.

Anyway, I agree that those movies probably don't apply. (same for Kull)

What about the TV movies?
Nick Fury
Captain America
etc

[samurainoir]

Since V for vendetta was originally published in warrior comics in the Uk should it be counted as a dc title ?

I'm defining DC Comics Movies as properties they own/control.

So yes, I'm counting V as a DC title. My understanding is that the creators handed over their rights to DC in a similar arrangement as Watchmen. DC only has the rights for as long as they keep the work in print, which Alan Moore presumed was the length of the series itself in comic book form. However, this was before Trade Paperback collections could keep the work in print indefinitely, which is what happened, and why DC still retained the rights to both V and Watchmen (and one of the reasons why Moore left DC Comics in the first place, along with the lack of foreign reprint royalties, and censorship issues).

Thus V for Vendetta could be made by the contractual "owners" of the property, DC/Warner Brothers, with no say by it's creators Moore and David Lloyd. Moore, famously handed over his profit participation to artist David LLoyd (along with his profit participation of Constantine and Watchmen to their respective artists).

LXG was and still is owned by Moore, and he sold the film rights as a concept even before the work saw print via ABC/Wildstorm and that company's eventual sale to DC Comics. Because of this, IIRC, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is the only creator owned work at ABC, and that is why he could move the property over to Top Shelf. My understanding is that the rest of the characters like Promethia, Tom Strong, Top Ten et al are owned by Wildstorm with a strong creator profit participation deal.

[Boris71]

Since V for vendetta was originally published in warrior comics in the Uk should it be counted as a dc title ?

[Goblin19]

I think they're both hit or miss. They both have some great ones and some clunkers, with lots of mediocre in between. I do think Marvel has now headed in the right direction and we'll see more consistent quality from their titles than DC.

[samurainoir]

in '07 I pulled stats on adjusted for inflation box office gross

Wow Brue! Awesome that you had these handy. It does help put things into perspective, at least in regards to the proportion of folks that went to see it on the big screen. Which is probably a better indicator of "success" in reaching an audience than the financial "success" that a studio would measure in profits.

Otherwise we're looking at the fact that Superman Returns is not a "success" domestically given that it's budget was $270,000,000. While Fantastic Four was, at a $100,000,000 budget.

The fact is, more people went to see Superman Returns than Fantastic Four.

And yes, quality is another matter entirely, and generally down to personal tastes, which is mostly what we are going to discuss in terms of our preferences here.

Adjusted for inflation these numbers are still misleading - worldwide gross usually makes the films profitable and merchandising puts them up more.

Not to mention Video Cassette and DVD sales/rentals. (and now digital downloads via itunes et al)

The best return on a comic film may be Teenage MNT (1990) it cost 13.5 to make, drew in 205 at the box office world wide, have twice that in merchandise and spawn several sequels.

Part of me always dug the fact that this was a creator owned property that paid out a huge windfall to two formerly starving artist types.