Ha ha. Marvel hates you!

[ctc]

>Fans kvetch, it's not unique to comics.

Oh, HELL no! But I think it's been bad for comics since the late 80's, and the establishing of the "educated fan" that I hate so much. The folks who are more concered with the production of their books than the books themselves. I thnk way too much of that has crept in; culminating with the "designer comics" of the 90's. And the fallout now, where the marketing plan seems to take precedent over the story. ("Super-Ultimate-Crisis of Darkest-Eternal-Day part six" anyone?)

>I wonder if that has anything to do with the age range of the posters elsewhere or if our love of nostalgia here has mellowed us?

Definitely not. One of the other sites I post at skews MUCH older than the average here, and holee smokes; you should see the vitriol that flares up! (You think people HERE kvetch on manga?)

Don C.

[60'schild]

Fans kvetch, it's not unique to comics.

How true.

Go to many of the DC and Marvel toyboards and you'll see great wailing and gnashing of teeth over sloppy paint applications or shipping/distribution schedules. Some of those arguments make Mego discussions about waiting for custom or small-company orders to be produced, seem VERY tolerant by comparison.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the age range of the posters elsewhere or if our love of nostalgia here has mellowed us?

[palitoy]

Fans kvetch, it's not unique to comics.

[ctc]

>there is rampant "flaming", baiters, haters and "legends in their own minds" writing detailed multi page answers to obscure questions to each other, often quite heated and snarky

That's what I mean about people losing their ability to debate. I've noticed that a lot of discussions amount to one or two people actually exchanging info, a bunch of people adding the above-mentioned banter, and (oddest of all) vast numbers of people who find it all pointless and feel the need to post: AGAIN AND AGAIN, how little attention they're gonna give the whole thing.

Don C.

[60'schild]

>You don't need to hang around here waiting for someone willing to talk Manga when there are hundreds of other venues for that kind of stuff.

Actually, that's what I consider BAD about the internets.... you never have to hear a dissenting opinion so folks coccoon really bad. You don't get any real exchange of ideas, just the same ones cycling around over and over. And people lose the ability to discuss dissenting opinions.

Don C.

Really?

I think BOTH extremes are happening on the Net simultaneously. Like the large number of specialty cable TV channels, there are "narrow-casting" opportunities for sub-groups (and sub-sub-groups within groups.. etc..), like a certain nostalgia-flavored toy board we all know and love. At the same time, go to many places on the Net and there is rampant "flaming", baiters, haters and "legends in their own minds" writing detailed multi page answers to obscure questions to each other, often quite heated and snarky (luckily an infrequent occurence here).

Not enough discussion of dissenting opinions? Hmm.... maybe we're both going to different boards! LOL

Just My opinion, of course ...

[palitoy]

There is no shortage of dissent in a gathering of like minded fans, absolutely none. The implication of one genre being superior than the other is not introducing new ideas to the table either.

[ctc]

>You don't need to hang around here waiting for someone willing to talk Manga when there are hundreds of other venues for that kind of stuff.

Actually, that's what I consider BAD about the internets.... you never have to hear a dissenting opinion so folks coccoon really bad. You don't get any real exchange of ideas, just the same ones cycling around over and over. And people lose the ability to discuss dissenting opinions.

Don C.

[palitoy]

Preference War!

[samurainoir]

Y'know.... rather than rehash the "good ol' days" I'd rather see something NEW! NEW people! Not the same old same old! Part of the problem with the Big Two and a Half is that they're TRAPPED in these endless remake/redo/relaunch loops! Seriously, is THIS neccessary?:

Given the Nostalgia focus of the Mego Museum, it's probably a bit of a barometer where folks want to take the general conversation (classic Superheroes, SciFi, Monster Movies, with a bit of Pulp Characters thrown in).

I dig the cape and tights and I'm happy to talk about it since it's in the ballpark, but if I want to talk about Deathnote or Adrian Tomine's Optic Nerve or Druillet or Richard Corben, I tend to go over to the forums where the focus is specifically Manga or Indie Comics or EuroComics or Underground Comix.

It's the great thing about the internet! You don't need to hang around here waiting for someone willing to talk Manga when there are hundreds of other venues for that kind of stuff.

[60'schild]

Amen!
Let's create an island where only vintage comics exists.
The comics greats will reside on this island with us, and draw new (but vintage) comics every day for us.

And when those guys from Lost crashland, we'll just boot them off our patch.
Except maybe Hurley. He'd totally fit in....

Here, Here!!

Where never is heard Brian Bendis' words and the skies are not JimLee all day!!

[ctc]

>Don't forget you're going to be taking piles of Speedball, Ravage 2099, and Backstreet Boys comics with you as well!

Depends on how far back you consider "vintage." (Millie the Model anyone? Anyone....?)

Y'know.... rather than rehash the "good ol' days" I'd rather see something NEW! NEW people! Not the same old same old! Part of the problem with the Big Two and a Half is that they're TRAPPED in these endless remake/redo/relaunch loops! Seriously, is THIS neccessary?:

io9 - Reboot Fever May Help Spawn Return - spawn

Does NO-ONE have anything to add to the mix? I feel bad for the superhero fans out there 'cos it seems like everything stopped thirty years ago for you guys. And now they want Claremont to come back and pick up the X-Men where he left off? Really? I don't know about you but that screams "we don't have a clue!" to me. Kinda how most of the superhero movies that come out these days cannibalize plots from 20+ year old books.

Don C.

[samurainoir]

There's plenty of new stuff that has the old fashioned comic satisfaction to them. Check out New Frontier, Hellboy, The Goon, Batman Year 100, the recent Space Ghost mini from DC, Agents of ATLAS.

Also...

[thunderbolt]

Amen!
Let's create an island where only vintage comics exists.
The comics greats will reside on this island with us, and draw new (but vintage) comics every day for us.

And when those guys from Lost crashland, we'll just boot them off our patch.
Except maybe Hurley. He'd totally fit in....

There's plenty of new stuff that has the old fashioned comic satisfaction to them. Check out New Frontier, Hellboy, The Goon, Batman Year 100, the recent Space Ghost mini from DC, Agents of ATLAS.

[samurainoir]

i'm a fan of marvel because they brought back brother voodoo.

*ahem* DOCTOR Voodoo

[samurainoir]

Amen!
Let's create an island where only vintage comics exists.
The comics greats will reside on this island with us, and draw new (but vintage) comics every day for us.

Don't forget you're going to be taking piles of Speedball, Ravage 2099, and Backstreet Boys comics with you as well!

And this just in... Stan Lee will be making comics for you to read with Big Eyes and Speedlines.