Captain America: Reborn

[ctc]

>and a liefeld creation...

That can't be a Liefield character.... her fingers look like they work and her mouth is closed.

>What Marvel runs a serious risk of doing is revealing a subplot so unoriginal that readers will feel they were milked out of alot of cash

Oh yeah. Like the frozen Cap found in the Avengers wasn't the ral one.... but an alien energy being that adopted his form after finding the REAL one frozen.... Heck, maybe they'll use EVERYONE'S ideas and four different ones will show up.

>This in turn imperils the movie,

Normally I'd agree; but I don't know if the comic's readership is high enough to make a dent in the pool of perspective film viewers.

>what happens to Barnes? he retires?

He gets all bitter, takes up a similar persona, falls in with a crowd of radicals, eventually realizes the error of his ways and becomes Cap's new partner/ally?

Don C.

[Earth 2 Chris]

The Onslaught Universe Steve wandering into 616 (boobs and all)?

As long as he keeps his shirt and pants on...

Chris

[samurainoir]

Ok so however Rogers comes back, what happens to Barnes? he retires? maybe he becomes Ronin and we see the return of the original hawkeye?

That would be funny given how much a hot potato the Ronin identity has been. Although I guess it was created so that whoever needs it can use it. The "Nomad" name is also a possibility.

I'm guessing that Brubaker would probably love a chance to write a Bucky/Winter Soldier ongoing series no matter what they end up calling him.

We also haven't seen Cap and Winter Soldier/Bucky as any kind of reunited team, so I would imagine that would be an avenue to explore once Steve is back.

[bizzaro megomauler]

Nick Fury has something to do with the whole affair, that's my guess. Nick and Cap go way way back, and he helped him during the civil war. I think it will end up with barnes becoming the new Nomad, after he killed Jack Monroe....

[Riffster]

Ok so however Rogers comes back, what happens to Barnes? he retires? maybe he becomes Ronin and we see the return of the original hawkeye?

[MIB41]

My HOPE is the Captain America shot wasn't Steve Rogers at all. I say that because it didn't make ANY sense to walk him unprotected through a hostile crowd where he was susceptible to being attacked. That made no sense whatsoever.

And this idea that the real Steve Rogers hasn't been around for most of the title's run harkens back to the debunked clone explanation given to Spiderman in the 90's (and you saw the negative reaction to that). What Marvel runs a serious risk of doing is revealing a subplot so unoriginal that readers will feel they were milked out of alot of cash for meaningless stories that could have been resolved in a few issues, rather than years of deadend storylines. This in turn imperils the movie, especially if fans believe Marvel is going to get "conceptual" with their casting.

In my eyes this long, overblown, delay in bringing Captain America back has to have a true, relevant, reason for occurring. I still hold firm to my initial thinking that this 'Cap' shot was a setup and that Cap's apparent "murder" was designed to move the real Cap underground to infiltrate that terrorist organization and flush out the Red Skull. Just a thought...

[johnnystorm]

The Red Skull was cloning Steve Rogers bodies back in the 1980s...he was wearing one himself for awhile. Add in all the Cosmic & Semi-Cosmic Cubes he's had or tried to create, toss in Arnim Zola & his bizarre experiments...I'd say the real Steve Rogers was captured somehow and substituted with a ringer. The real Steve is floating inside one of those Marvel issue lab tanks full of goop, hooked to a bazillion wires.
Forget Stark tech...I want stock in the laboratory supply company that builds those inertia tanks. Nobody in the Marvel Universe just lies in a bed with a tube up his nose like on real Earth...nah, they get suspended inside one of those Houdini tanks. T'Challa's in one this month as well.

[samurainoir]

Looks like there are quite a few red herrings running around Cap #600 to keep us on our toes.

Characters in this issue include 1950's Cap, Bucky Cap, Patriot, Isaiah Bradley, and a liefeld creation...


So. Any guesses HOW?

Red Skull hijack Steve's body? Putting Steve's spirit in someone else' body? (Isaiah? 50's Cap?) Something to do with Sharon and Steve's unborn kid in the vein of Cable and Time Travel? The Onslaught Universe Steve wandering into 616 (boobs and all)?

[BlackKnight]

He also said Bruce was going to come back as a New God. But then Morrison changed medication.

But Did he ?
We still do not Know where Bruce is......

[BlackKnight]

Has anyone picked up issue 600 yet?

Comes out this Wensday ...

[Earth 2 Chris]

Yeah, Johnston leaked that. He also said Bruce was going to come back as a New God. But then Morrison changed medication.

Chris

[thunderbolt]

could the title Reborn be referring to Project:Rebirth where Cap got his powers? Maybe this is going to be a govt manufactured replacement for Rogers? As far as Batman's demise, credit that to Rich Johnston and his LITG column.

[BlackKnight]

So is this Guy gonna be Black,.. or is Steve Comming back ?.
I think where the Miss reportment of Killing the Bat Off,.. is when it was origionally leaked about a yr or More before it actually Happened, ( Tbolt reported it here btw 1st, in that time frame) , and then I had heard rumors for quite sometime, that 1 of the "3" would "die" ,DC & the Editors were trying thier Damnest to report the leakage as inaccurate, & Misleading. So,.. everyone already had thier suspicisions on the Matter for a while before it even happened,... Then Morrision had Fun with removing (Killing) the Batman/Bruce not once but Twice.

When Steve Rogers THE Captain America was killed,.. it was the very next book after Civil War, it came at you like a hidden Gun (literally) and you had no idea it was even comming, until every comicbook shop accross the country never ordered enough copies to feed the demand of the book, hence driving the prices on ebay up to rediculous hights. Both R.I.P. & Final Crisis were way over ordered & purchased books.

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

I'm not too sure how to take this. Is it REALLY news that he's coming back? No. Superhero heaven has a revolving door. But conventional wisdom has been to SURPRISE the audience with a comeback; not scream it from the rooftops. This implies one of two thing to me:

-they've finally come to trms with the audience and don't want to lie to us any more
OR
-it's a marketing gimmick to hype up the issue.

It's ALSO possible that they're gonna surprise the audience with something completely unexpected. (Steve Rogers is the new Captain Universe....) But I have my doubts on that. (Steve Rogers is the new Batman....)

Don C.

[MIB41]

Has anyone picked up issue 600 yet?