I finally seen The Black Knight yesterday.

[Hector]

I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.

Dark Knight was born because of Dent/Two Face...I thought that was the whole point of the movie.

To me...he was by FAR the most tragic character...and the only one who I truly felt sorry for.

[Hector]

Ledger was my favorite Joker of all times...I loved his crazy mofo persona.

You want clowns?

Go to a circus.

[Hector]

Don't worry about the "chick" she got blowed up real good and won't be back.

As for Gordon, he's dead on perfect. Oldman nailed the part.

Joker. I really dig this version and the shabby look to him.

Agreed on all three sentences.

[huedell]

Dave Mc wrote:

I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker
entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he
didn't seem to find it all that funny.

I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I
never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have
set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing
later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not
sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.

Still, all and all I liked the flick alot.

I agree on all those points Dave.

And your review overall was the closest to my reaction that I've seen on
these boards yet.

I wouldn't agree that Ledger's Joker was too "overrated" but at the same
time I wanted more "Jokerness" as you described...and I can't tell you how
frustrated I am that Ledger died and cannot add more to this character
along with some inspired writers....I know they could and would have got closer with more time to develop the character.

I know it'll painful for many fans (heck, including me even) if they
recast The Joker----but he deserves an even better shot than
he got in TDK....which was dang good to begin with.

[BlackKnight]

I think the Joker Found turning Dent into Two-Face very Funny. In a sick twisted way. imo.

[jwyblejr]

Joker- He was intense crazy and evil, and Ledger did a great job, but honestly, I think his performance was a bit over-rated, probably because of his death. I think they nailed the insane violence, but like you, I think there could have been more...I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he didn't seem to find it all that funny. That said, I really like the relationship, the one can't exist without the other thing they did here. Miller drove that point pretty hard in Dark Knight, and it was nice to see it presented here.

Agreed. There was even one scene(can't remember which one) that was set up perfectly for a quip or a joke and nothing. Other than that and setting up Batman as the scapegoat at the end,I enjoyed this movie.

[BlackKnight]

When I entered this thread I thought you were going to tell us how you met Jason "Black Knight" from our boards.

... Me too !
I was wondering when that Porno I did would get out there...

As for the rest of the Nonsense in this thread,.. I dunno even How to address it,.. I liked the Movie, it was great.

[Dave Mc]

When I entered this thread I thought you were going to tell us how you met Jason "Black Knight" from our boards.

I was also late seeing this flick. I didn't feel comfortable taking my son to see it in theatres, so waited for the DVD release. I'm glad I did. It's just a little too "real". Maybe not in the characters, but in the violence and motivations.

But I enjoyed it. Batman, like all these kinds of characters are subject to interpretations of the writers at any given time. These movies have taken elements from many different Batman styles over time.

Personally, I think Oldman as Gordon is perfect. I really like what they've done with that character.

Joker- He was intense crazy and evil, and Ledger did a great job, but honestly, I think his performance was a bit over-rated, probably because of his death. I think they nailed the insane violence, but like you, I think there could have been more...I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he didn't seem to find it all that funny. That said, I really like the relationship, the one can't exist without the other thing they did here. Miller drove that point pretty hard in Dark Knight, and it was nice to see it presented here.

The Rachel character has always been pointless. Although I liked this version much better than the Katie Holmes version. Personally, I don't find Katie all that, so that took attraction out of the picture for me, and I think they did much more with her in this flick, at least she had some purpose, but the character was really not neccessary in either film.

I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.

Still, all and all I liked the flick alot. I can forgive a lot so the batcycle thing doesn't bother me in the least, and honestly, I thought it was awesome when it scaled the wall to turn around.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I don't agree that Batman is unlikeable. I will say in this movie he is trapped inside this creation he made in the first film. With Rachel's death and then him taking the blame for Two-Face's crimes he now has no hope of a normal life at all, just Batman and the public Bruce Wayne. The real Bruce is somewhat in-between. Only Alfred (and maybe Lucius to a point) really know him. To me, this makes him very sympathetic.

I will agree that Gylenhall isn't the most attractive actress in Hollywood. I think we are so used to movie love interests being drop-dead gorgeous (even if the male lead isn't) that we find it hard to accept her as the object of affection to both handsome Bale and Eckhart. She did do a nice job with the part though. More believable than Katie Holmes in the first film.

Gordon is dead-on the modern comic portrayl. Love Oldman in that role. Glad he got so much more to do this time.

Chris

[Steeler80]

I really thought this was a terrific film. Ledger has received heaps of praise for his portrayal of the Joke and I think it's deserved. And I agree that Batman is unlikable but I think that's part of the character, certainly part of the storyline for this movie (hence all the "He'd the hero Gotham needs. He can take it" stuff at the end [which was a bit overdone]). As everybody knows, Batman came out of the pulp tradition and there were lots of unlikable heroes there (The Shadow, The Spider).

[toys2cool]

I read on the internet she's in her late 20's.

The way she looked, I thought she was in her mid 40's

Also, I dunno what's up with her partial pig nose.

It looks like she had nose-job gone wrong.

yeah I think her brother looks better Jake Gyllenhaal is the other guy in Broke back mountain with Heath Ledger

and she is a decent actress,but man you could've gotten a real hot babe to play that part

[thunderbolt]

Don't worry about the "chick" she got blowed up real good and won't be back.

As for Gordon, he's dead on perfect. Oldman nailed the part.

Joker. I really dig this version and the shabby look to him.

[Mikey]

I thought the same thing about the chick

I read on the internet she's in her late 20's.

The way she looked, I thought she was in her mid 40's

Also, I dunno what's up with her partial pig nose.

It looks like she had nose-job gone wrong.

[toys2cool]

I thought the same thing about the chick

[goldenryan]

as much as i loved the dark knight i like the tv, and even the 1989 batmobile alot better than the batmobile in this movie.