Van Halen tour cancelled, says Rolling Stone

[huedell]

Eddie was (is) Van Halen, no matter who the front man is. He is the talent and brains behind the band.

If you compare Roth's solo career and Hager's solo career, there is no comparison. Hager is alot more talented, making "Van Hager" a better band than Roth's Van Halen. The earlier music may have been better than the mid-80's stuff, but the band was better with Hager.

I think this is one of the reasons Eddie separated himself from Roth.

Roth QUIT Van Halen...Eddie did not "seperate" himself from Roth

And ROTH quit because Eddie (Mr. Brains) stopped working on the new VH album

antique---with all respect, you do not know of which you speak----
ROTH (not Eddie) wrote all the lyrics and melodies to classic VH---

ROTH (not Eddie) was the one who convinced the early VH lineup
to play further from their desired style---aping BLACK SABBATH sludgey vibe,
to a more danceable musically melodic sound that defined VH

ROTH (not Eddie) was the one who designed merch (T-shirts, program
booklets, etc.) along with album covers to give the right tone to VH's
specific vibe

ROTH (not Eddie) creatively plotted and directed VH videos breaking
ground for the whole music video industry as he did so.

ROTH even affected Eddier's overall tone early on by convincing Ed to play
with a richer sound (eventually known as the "brown sound") as to not "scare
away the women" with uncomfortable tones and pitches Eddie was used
to showing off his talents with

As far what you're saying about Hagar making the band more talented---
and that making them a better band? That's the flimsiest argument
for the superiority of Van Hagar I can imagine---- this ain't
an AMERICAN IDOL perfection rating system contest----its rock n roll

VAN HALEN with ROTH used to be one of the best rock bands of all time---
with HAGAR---as MIke so eloquently said earlier----they were forgettable
-----just one in a million riding of the past glories that ROTH was so
instrumental in helping and GUIDING Eddie to build

[Mikey]

There will come a day,
When youth will pass away,
What will they say about me?
When the end comes I know I was just a gigolo,
Life goes on without me

[Adam West]

I guess for me the difference is apparent if you buy Van Halen's "Best of Both Worlds". The songs flip back and forth between David Lee Roth and Hagar and I constantly find myself skipping past the Hagar Van Halen songs to listen to the classics when Roth was around.

[Mikey]

One of my fav Van Halen songs of all time was/is Running With The Devil ...........

I heard Halen-1 (the album) for the first time back in high school and thought is was the coolest song ever......
Actually, I thought Halen-1 itself was the coolest album ever.

When Roth left a few years later and they got Hagar, I just scoffed and totally forgot about them.

I'm sure a younger generation loves Sammy because he's THEIR guy from their generation --- and that's totally cool .......

But I can't think of anyone who went through the Roth years--- RIGHT FROM THE START--- who doesn't think Roth is THE MAN.

Eddie himself, I think is a bit over-rated.....
He plays killer guitar, but if it wasn't for Roth, I don't think Eddie would have went far to begin with.

[Meule]

You guys are letting yourselves get suckered in by theantiquetiger, he's just playing you like fools. He's done it before and he's doing it again

[theantiquetiger]

You guys are letting yourselves get suckered in by theantiquetiger, he's just playing you like fools. He's done it before and he's doing it again

No, I replied 2nd in this topic stating I like Hager's Van Halen better. All I got to say, Roth's Van Halen - zero #1 albums, Hager's Van Halen - all four albums #1, so there are alot of closet Hager VH fans.

I do like Roth's VH, but I think the music, & the vocals (not lyrics) are better. I feel it is better music. (I am not talking merchandise, videos, promoting)

Now, I will add, that "Running with the Devil" is my favorite song by them.

[huedell]

Why is it about album sales?

Album sales are very much based on fads and trends.

The important thing involved in this debate is LONGEVITY

What you don't understand antique is that regardless of who had more #1 albums---
you will hear at least DOUBLE the amount of Roth-era VH on classic rock radio across
the country compared to Van Hagar...also note that a VH tour with ROTH will outsell a
VAN HAGAR tour EVERY TIME from now on (and most likely would have since the
mid-90s)...

Why?

Because a HUGE chunk of Hagar fans----they're not "in the closet"----they are GONE---
Van Hagar was a PASSING thing----VAN HALEN-----"ROTH" VAN HALEN is the REAL thing.

And the fact that you believe that the Van Hagar music is of higher quality---fine---you
and I have a different way of judging quality music...and we can leave it at that

But remember---SOLO ACTS' NUMBERS ASIDE----the "Roth in VH" fan base (and
appreciation) has been steadily GROWING since 1997 or so----while the VAN HAGAR
fanbase has been steadily shrinking.

[thunderbolt]

No, I replied 2nd in this topic stating I like Hager's Van Halen better. All I got to say, Roth's Van Halen - zero #1 albums, Hager's Van Halen - all four albums #1, so there are alot of closet Hager VH fans.

I do like Roth's VH, but I think the music, & the vocals (not lyrics) are better. I feel it is better music. (I am not talking merchandise, videos, promoting)

Now, I will add, that "Running with the Devil" is my favorite song by them.

So you equate talent with record sales? Seems like I've heard this before somewhere. It was a discussion about Billy Joel. Four number one albums just means there a LOT of dumbasses out there that like the MOTR schmaltz that Van Hagar churned out.

[Zemo]

There is no doubt that VH became a tame watered down sound with Hagar at the front. I just saw them on Valentines Day in Orlando and they blew the friggin roof off the Amway Arena.

D.O.A & Atomic Punk baby! Nuff said

[Mikey]

Van Halen's like Doctor Who and James Bond ......

Every few years their lead man regenerates