Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I'm sure it needed to veer off from that realism a bit to make the ending that much more operatic.Originally Posted by madmarva
It was five months, the half-life of the bomb.
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Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I'm sure it needed to veer off from that realism a bit to make the ending that much more operatic.
It was five months, the half-life of the bomb.
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Thanks, totally missed that point. Wish the Knightfall storyline with Azreal as Batman only lasted five months, way back when.It was five months, the half-life of the bomb.
I saw TDKR today and can't even begin to express my utter disappointment about this movie.I had such faith in Nolan for giving us two GREAT Batman movies...and then to end on this note is such a bummer.
I have always said that Comic Book to movie adaptions have to take a few liberties with story lines in order to tell a coherent story within a 2 or so hour time frame...but as long as the characters "act like themselves"...stay true to the comic counterparts...then I'm fine with it.
This is NOT my Batman!It's like Nolan forgot who Batman really is...and this movie just throws all he did before right out the window. I just can't say anymore about it at this time because I'm just so let down.
I'm now glad Nolan is leaving the franchise...bring on the reboot! Give it to Bruce Tim!
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Would really love to see that.Give it to Bruce Tim!
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Bat,I saw TDKR today and can't even begin to express my utter disappointment about this movie.
I have always said that Comic Book to movie adaptions have to take a few liberties with story lines in order to tell a coherent story within a 2 or so hour time frame...but as long as the characters "act like themselves"...stay true to the comic counterparts...then I'm fine with it.
This is NOT my Batman!
I'm now glad Nolan is leaving the franchise...bring on the reboot! Give it to Bruce Tim!
Did you read my comments? I think I feel the same way you did.
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I was never a huge fan of knightfall, although I could appreciate that moment Bane broke Batman's back in the film has kind of become hugely iconic, even if I felt the original storyline wasn't really my cup of tea. On the other hand, I do really dig the nod to No Man's Land, which I do think was the one huge Batman crossover that did hold together into a compelling and coherent epic storyline. Hopefully chuck Dixon, Greg Rucka and co got their cheques for that contribution to TDKR.
One really has to speculate, given how they did manage to wrap up so many story lines and character arcs, what the Joker's role might have been in this film had Heath Ledger survived. Maybe a wild card amidst the carnage? Perhaps neutralized by Bane to show how tough he is. I'd suspect much more than the Scarecrow cameo, but obviously less than the main villains Talia and bane.
It just occurred to me that Joker would have made an even better Judge in place of Scarecrow in the kangaroo courts.
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Come to think of it, Chuck Dixon really does have a great deal of the original source material that they incorporated into the tapestry when you consider how his run on Nightwing had Dick Grayson as a police officer. a comics fan like Goyer would know this when he was cherry picking stuff from the comics to I corporate into the script.
I hadn't planned to see the film this weekend but Colorado made me feel defiant somehow and I needed to see it right away.
It was just as emotional and intense as the first two. I agree that there wasn't enough Batman but the story kept the movie moving. So if a Batman movie is light on the main character at least the story was there. I did not see the 'boy' being Talia at all. I did see Blake and a replacement coming. Plus the "Batman can be anyone" line.
So Bruce has is own clean energy reactor? IronBat any one?
Ann Hathaway is great as Catwoman. I also vote for a spinoff.
Oldman, Freeman and Caine all own their roles. They will be hard to replace.
It was good to see William Devane as the President again. How many times has he done that in various projects?
This certainly took Batman out of the shadows- is he real or not. He was even out in the daylight. But I was OK with that.
I wish the Gotham football team had been playing the Metropolis team. It would have been a nice nod.
How did Bane know about the secret armory? Did I miss that?
When they activated the reactor and removed the core they said how many months it would take to go critical.
It was cool to include the Bane breaking? Batman's back moment. It felt a lot like the No Man's Land story line with Gotham being isolated and all.
I had a problem with the police being trapped underground all winter. Seems they would have froze. And they looked a little clean when they came out. If they could communicate with them it seems they could have dug them out or snuck out some man holes or something. It's a big city.
It was a little chilling when they were blowing the bridges and tunnels. In one shot you could see the Freedom Tower in the middle of it all. It's hard to stay in the fantasy when the real world has similar events in it.
And nothing at the end of the credits.
The Superman trailer left me puzzled. Does he grow up on the coast instead of Kansas? There were several gasps when it was revealed as who it was. A lot of people didn't realize a new Superman movie was on the horizon.
Better late than never.....
I did...and we agree.
Bruce Wayne being so obsessed that he would never retire is something relatively new to the Batman mythos. He retired in imaginary stories throughout the 50s, 60s and 70s, and then of course retired on Earth-Two (although he did return on occasion, including the mission where he lost his life). A retired Bruce Wayne with Selina Kyle is VERY Earth-Two. As you can imagine, I liked that.
All in all, Nolan's Batman is mentally healthier than the character DC has portrayed since Miller came to town. He has spoken of the day when Gotham doesn't need Batman since the first film, so I can't understand why people are surprised by the ending, or his exile at the beginning of the movie.
DC has managed to make Batman rather unheroic over the last several decades, trying to trump Miller's gritty style. I never felt that about Nolan and Bale's Batman. He was conflicted, obsessed, damaged...but his foremost thought was protecting innocent people from crime.
I can't really see where this film was "super heroed" up than the other two, especially Begins, with it's fear toxin and water vaporizer plot, Batman gliding every where on his memory cloth cape, etc. DK dialed back those elements, but they returned here.
My son asked me which of the three films I liked the best. I can't really say. I look at the series as a novel, more so than any other film franchise I have invested in. DK was the juicy chapter in the middle that stands out, but both Begins and DKR were well composed beginnings and endings.
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