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**BlackKnight** · Jul 19, '12, 8:28 PM

Holy **** Batman ....
So, ... how Bigs the Helmet ?

.... Whats the word on the Cylons ? ....

**powersthatbe** · Jul 19, '12, 8:34 PM

yeah i don't want to downplay any efforts made as well,i know BBP! are as big of fans as we are,but that head is too big,i might then swap outfits unto a Dr.Mego head/body.(maybe a peter parker/shazam head which is my favorite mego head.)

**BlackKnight** · Jul 19, '12, 8:38 PM

^^^ But if you do that , the Helmet will be 3 sizes too big, no ?

**Tothiro** · Jul 19, '12, 8:39 PM

@BK - that's coming first up, actually!
@PTB - I'm doing a jacket swap and helmet compare as well.

Okay so first off - things that came out well and I really liked:

**Tothiro** · Jul 19, '12, 9:03 PM

Cylon:

The backpack was detached/flawed when it came out of the package. The actual backpack portion of the chest clam is put together in two additional pieces. I don't know why that is. There's a U shaped yoke which acts as a top-plate around the back of the figures neck, and it tucks into (or is supposed to tuck into) an actual backpack unit. It really seems like a useless mold to me, as the backpack and yoke pieces could be one part, but even more than that - I don't see why the whole back half of the clam wasn't one piece with an engineered vertical wafer spacer on the inside if torso movement was a problem. But whatever - that's a production thing.
From the consumer side: The parts don't fit together properly on mine.

Fit one side and the other is out of alignment, and vice versa...

It's a cyanoacrylate superglue keeping them together. A lot of parts are factory crazy glued actually - the boot tops, the clam portions, and I think the forearm cuffs. the glue crazed the bottom of the neck on my fig, and the head was hard to get turning at the start.

Cylon still has gutbuster donut special issues. I would not have made the clamshell and pelvis piece one single unit. With the angle that the front section pushes out, the top portion would have easily allowed the bottom portion to rest inside, and be smaller - like actually fit the hips.
speaking of... the legs don't move forward. the knees bend 90 degrees as you expect, but the way in which the torso clam is made completely prohibits forward thigh motion, they can't sit down in any way. (No pilot wings for you, toasterhead!)
Here we see the back skirt:

Which is way too little fabric in a "hospital gown" kind of way. It needed to be about 150% to 200% as wide.

Hey, you know what I just said about the legs, right?
The arms don't move forward. Really. This is as far forward as you can bend both the shoulders and elbow together:

The forearm cuffs are engineered too long, so that they block any bending at the elbow (you can get 15 to 20 degrees out of it) and the shoulder sections are also improperly engineered so that the arms do not move forward, backward, or out.

Sadly this figure has been made to have basically 5 points of articulation - neck, knees and wrists. I would say how it fares when reconfigured and swapped to a mego body, but i can't right now... the forearm cuffs, sleeves, and forearm pieces are glued together into a solid block, and I've tried dremeling out the forearms but I'm going to have to work on them for a while to get the armor parts free. Stupid frustrating. It may be possible that the cuffs can ride forward and allow more elbow angle, but glued firmly in place who can tell?
Also, there's no loop or scabbard for the sword. It doesn't attach to the armor or suit in any way.
The gun also doesn't fit the hand terribly well. The hand is molded in almost a flat palm way, and the thumb doesn't curve at all, it's an open Y yoke - so you push the gun into place and it wants to pop back out. A bit of hand paint came off the inside of the thumb the first time he took up arms.

I like the head... the dimensions are wrong (too narrow in the lower half - the show helmet was designed to fit on an extra's head and this sculpt isn't) but that's ok... it's still cute.

Update: My Cylon rebuild mission is going on over in :::this thread:::

**Brown Bear** · Jul 19, '12, 9:13 PM

I am beyond excited for these...hopefully the martian head and restricted mobility doesn't hinder my excitement. That Cylon looks awesome.

**Harbingerboy** · Jul 19, '12, 9:22 PM

Wow. Thanks for the review. I was waiting to see these in hand before committing. Perfect example of why I'm wary of the necessary monster that is the pre-order. Sculpts look great, but that giant noggin is killer disappointing, moreso than the Cylon's articulation issues for me. I guess I can still at least commit to a MOC set, but the potential for cool has really settled at kitsch for me though, which is arguably suitable for this license. I just hope my next wave of Ventures and Twilight Zone figs don't show up with giant heads!!

EDIT: Yeah, I can't wait to see the helmet now.

**Iron Mego** · Jul 19, '12, 9:33 PM

That head is pretty large. Guess, for once, shrinkage did not occur.

**rche** · Jul 19, '12, 9:41 PM

Originally posted by Harbingerboy

W..... I just hope my next wave of Ventures and Twilight Zone figs don't show up with giant heads!!

EDIT: Yeah, I can't wait to see the helmet now.

except for Billy - the Quizboy needs a giant head.

**Harbingerboy** · Jul 19, '12, 9:58 PM

Originally posted by rche

except for Billy - the Quizboy needs a giant head.

Indeed...but not as large as what was shown at SDCC. The head AND body at SDCC looked much larger than anything we've seen in solicits, at NYTF or before. I was a little worried before, and am moreso now.

**rche** · Jul 19, '12, 9:58 PM

so Tothiro - is the jumper underneath the armor glued at the forearm/wrist as well?
If it pulls back, you might be able to get the forearm off by removing the pin. I am sure you would have done that, tho if it was possible. Looks like there is one to many ringlets on the black upper part of the gauntlet. If you cut one of those off, do you think it would be able to regain the elbow articulation?

I do like the looks of this figure. Very ambitious for a Mego ish item.

I am not exactly an old skool Mego style purist. Rather, I like items in a line to match. So I am OK with designs sort of in between cartoony and ultra realistic as long as they are fairly consistent. It looks like this line is doing that. Nice sculpts, but a bit on the CHiPs side. Good details on the soft goods even if they are not ultra realistically tailored. And a supreme effort on the robot even tho he ends up with a bit of Tin Man-itis. I am sort of thinking most of these are designed with the idea that they will stay static in a blister or on a shelf display and not get much in the way of 9yo torture testing.

Thanks for the early pics and review, btw.

**johnmiic** · Jul 19, '12, 10:00 PM

I'm not happy to hear about all these problems with the Galactica figures. There's still so much here to work with on the Cylon anyone who likes to tinker can modify the figure and make it better.

Reducing heads like Capt. Apollo is another matter. It could also use a repaint. BBP figures heads on the whole tend to come out too pale. Richard Hatch is a bit more tan. Not impossible to fix. Just difficult.

**rche** · Jul 19, '12, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Harbingerboy

Indeed...but not as large as what was shown at SDCC. The head AND body at SDCC looked much larger than anything we've seen in solicits, at NYTF or before. I was a little worried before, and am moreso now.

Billly is the only bbp item that has me wondering. The proto on the back of the last set of cards looked great. I hope the one at sdcc was more of a 'we didn't have the real proto and mocked something up on an adult body 'cos that's what we had' sort of thing.

**jimsmegos** · Jul 19, '12, 10:06 PM

Dang :( Thanks for the review though.

Being a natural spindoctor when it comes to most things 8 inch Mego style I gotta say I'm a little disappointed. watch out; here comes the spin... In my heart of hearts I firmly believe the BBP folks have the absolute best of intentions in all of their Classic style action figure product BUT in the end they are at the mercy of overseas manufacturers. In what I've learned here at the MM from Dr.Mego and Craig with ZICA and the action figure production processes described with each new release, I can completely understand the communication breakdown that can happen with QC. Problem is though the general consumer doesn't care. A bad / less than 'perfect' final product can kill a line with a quickness (see CTVT).

And while I still want these, my disposable income is very limited at the moment and I think that's the same for many of us here. While I can't speak for the rest of you all I do know that a review / overview such as this, from someone I wholeheartedly respect and trust in their opinion will encourage my Re-Mego dollar to go in a different, safer direction first (i.e. new Diamond Select ST:TNG).

In the end I do want to see BBP thrive and I really do want Battlestar Galactica Mego's BUT I may have to wait longer to justify the retail price in lieu of QC issues pointed out. Perhaps if I only wanted a carded figure and not a loose one I might change my tune but the head size is a real issue even for display purposes.

Again,

Dang. :(

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