The most disturbing horror movie ever?

[Karen-bionic-fan]

raw meat and tcm owiginal ir brill

[babycyclops]

very "Westerner" attitude here.
People EAT turtle. Everyday. That turtle was probably eaten.

Where do you think McNuggets originally come from? live animals.

Theres a fate worse than "Turtle Death" and that is being exploited by foriegn filmakers. Those "Extras" didnt know what the hell they were doing nor the world would see it.
That movie was like Bruno does Hostel

Most disturbing for me was I spit on your grave. At least the first 15 minutes. I turned it off.

There's an unpleasant scene in Cannibal Holocaust to offend just about any viewer. Personally, I was commenting on the scene that I found most 'gut wrenching'. I think that movies such as Cannibal Holocaust, and indeed Man Behind the Sun, which blur the distinction between real, and simulated violence on screen, must be approached and discussed differently to films that contain simulated violence, such as 'I spit on your grave'.

[Brazoo]

very "Westerner" attitude here.
People EAT turtle. Everyday. That turtle was probably eaten.

Where do you think McNuggets originally come from? live animals.

I get what you're saying, but the animals in this movie weren't killed in any kind of normal way - that wouldn't have ticked me off - they were basically just used as props and tortured.

[wolfie]

Not gruesome or horrific but just a film that sends shivers through me is THE CHANGELING with George C Scott.

[TrueDave]

There's an unpleasant scene in Cannibal Holocaust to offend just about any viewer. Personally, I was commenting on the scene that I found most 'gut wrenching'. I think that movies such as Cannibal Holocaust, and indeed Man Behind the Sun, which blur the distinction between real, and simulated violence on screen, must be approached and discussed differently to films that contain simulated violence, such as 'I spit on your grave'.

The realism of Spit of your Grave is what bothered me. It was cheap and 70s the woman was not attractive really. Prety sure , but kinda scrawny.

After watching Rambo I understand the Revenge Film Payoff idea, Death Proof etc. I guess I might have gotten "the message" if I had watched it to the end.

I haven,t seen Canibal Holocost in a while. Just the bootleg I brought back from the Pacific before it was available here. that was 5 years or so back.

My buddy the gore hound says 120 days of Sodom is the worst for him. But he still is lookig for more shocking stuff.
Animal Death? I think it was a 70s action film with Teddy Savalis that had a long scene of sctual footage from isside a slaughterhouse. Seen from the point of view of a very young illegal worker. Border Cop?

Faces of Death was pretty nortorious for teh animal deaths.

Wel we know what Hostel three will be.

Pet Spa snuff film/ torture porn.

[cjefferys]

Sure I've eaten turtle soup once or twice but the scene still bothered me. Hell, I eat meat, but I have no desire to see what goes on in a slaughterhouse, I'd probably be disgusted and repulsed. Maybe that's hypocritical of me, but I'm sure I'm far from alone in that.

Personally, although I'm not a big fan of animal deaths in films, I've always thought it was done in Cannibal Holocaust to blur reality and fakery. People would be hit in the face with horrific real animal deaths, and then start thinking "Wow, what else is real in this film?" and perhaps be a little more susceptable to believing the effects involving human deaths. The Italian courts were fooled, director Ruggero Deodato had to testify and prove that the impaled woman scene was a special effect and needed to produce the very much alive actress to authorities.

[Mikey]

The Italian courts were fooled, director Ruggero Deodato had to testify and prove that the impaled woman scene was a special effect and needed to produce the very much alive actress to authorities.

Yea, I think i've read she's sitting on a bicycle seat mounted on a pole with a piece of balsa wood in her mouth

Very high-tech

[cjefferys]

Yep, that's how they did it.

I don't know why the authorities always seem so clueless and stupid when it comes to special effects. The FBI was convinced that the Japanese Guinea Pig series consisted of real snuff footage at first. Anyone halfway intelligent who's ever watched the footage in question could tell you how laughable that is, and that it's painfully obvious to see the edits and trickery that were done to "hide" the effects work.

[babycyclops]

What I find interesting is that so many films, even mainstream ones, have scenes of torture in them these days. I watched Marathon Man recently; a great film, but it's dental scene pales in comparison to many films today in terms of length and detail. I like to think that I haven't been too brutalised by all this stuff.. Marathon Man still has an effect on me, and films such as the Saw and Hostel franchises hold no interest for me. Reservoir Dogs blew my mind, but I don't want to see James Bond strapped to a chair and having his nuts whacked repeatedly. It's just not pleasant in that sort of a film.
Even District 9, a film I really love, has scenes that border on torture, it's strange, but perhaps a reflection on our times.
Action films have always had protagonists or their helpless friends (usually women) in peril, but I feel outright torture is pervasive these days.
What do you guys think?
Please don't get me wrong, I take full responsibility for what I watch, and sit through gruesome films by choice, and with gusto!
I just don't think that every second movie needs a torture scene

[mazinz]

for animal abuse, pretty much most of all the Cannibal jungle films (mostly out of Italy) that ripped off/cashed in on the Cannibal holocaust craze all have some sort of animal footage that has the poor thing dying in a rather unatural way

I am suprised no one has mentioned that the animals killed in CH were used for food by the crew AND the natives that did help with the film. Though the animal was very much mocked in it's death, it did not go to a total waste

Yep, that's how they did it.

I don't know why the authorities always seem so clueless and stupid when it comes to special effects. The FBI was convinced that the Japanese Guinea Pig series consisted of real snuff footage at first. Anyone halfway intelligent who's ever watched the footage in question could tell you how laughable that is, and that it's painfully obvious to see the edits and trickery that were done to "hide" the effects work.

That was because the actor Charlie Sheen saw the one called "flowers of flesh and blood" at some party and thought it was real, so he called the feds (it later turns out it was a tape provided by Chas Balun for a tidbit of info). Charlie was probably high as a kite and the thing was prob on some sort of large screen tv and being a vhs copy with that frame of mind it might appear that you are viewing something real...

you gotta admit the effects were very well done in that

[babycyclops]

My buddy the gore hound says 120 days of Sodom is the worst for him. But he still is lookig for more shocking stuff.

My friend loaned me 120 days of Sodom but I haven't watched it yet.
It's a Chinese bootleg with no subtitles, and the fact that it has no subtitles is what is putting me off. In any case I'm in no hurry to watch the film.
I'm glad I'm not still looking for the next ultimate gore-shock.

'Killing for Culture' by David Kerekes & David Slater is a sober and excellent book that covers these type of taboo films.

[Brazoo]

for animal abuse, pretty much most of all the Cannibal jungle films (mostly out of Italy) that ripped off/cashed in on the Cannibal holocaust craze all have some sort of animal footage that has the poor thing dying in a rather unatural way

I am suprised no one has mentioned that the animals killed in CH were used for food by the crew AND the natives that did help with the film. Though the animal was very much mocked in it's death, it did not go to a total waste

I have never heard they ate them before. It's nice they had a conscience - but the torture was still pretty classless in my opinion.

That was because the actor Charlie Sheen saw the one called "flowers of flesh and blood" at some party and thought it was real, so he called the feds (it later turns out it was a tape provided by Chas Balun for a tidbit of info). Charlie was probably high as a kite and the thing was prob on some sort of large screen tv and being a vhs copy with that frame of mind it might appear that you are viewing something real...

you gotta admit the effects were very well done in that

Haha! That's incredible! Oh, stupid stupid Charlie - you never let me down.

[mego73]

My friend loaned me 120 days of Sodom but I haven't watched it yet.
It's a Chinese bootleg with no subtitles, and the fact that it has no subtitles is what is putting me off. In any case I'm in no hurry to watch the film.
I'm glad I'm not still looking for the next ultimate gore-shock.

'Killing for Culture' by David Kerekes & David Slater is a sober and excellent book that covers these type of taboo films.

I've seen Salo, it's considered a "great" film. It doesn't have much in the way of gore (although it has some) what is really revolting about it is sexual abuse and humiliation which, shall we say, sometimes involve scatological actions. And the fact that this is all done to what appears to be teenagers.

[Brazoo]

Best line:

[Bizarro Amy]

Not exactly a horror movie, but I am freaked out by "Eraserhead" - specifically the baby. I read an interview in which they ask David Lynch about thanking a veterinarian in the credits and whether or not it had anything to do with it. Lynch refuses to speak about it, then ends the interview. I've read that it was a calf fetus, kept alive for the filming, but I don't know if that was ever confirmed.