what happend to marvel?

[Bionic Joe]

what happend to marvel comics? face it marvel comics have been bad for awhile now most of there stuff is unreadable, but they are showing signs of a come back cap america is really good, miss marvel is a good read, and nova issue one shows promise and ironman is so so but the rest is crap, so what happend? back in the 70s just about any marvel you picked up was a good read but know it;s mostly garbage

[Megospidey]

Writing. It's always writing. I can deal with bad art; I cannot handle poor writing.

I'm with ya though - Captain America is the only current Marvel stuff I'll read. I won't even touch Spiderman...and that's saying something for me

[Bionic Joe]

the clone saga killed spidy for me and havenot been able to get into him ever since and from what i heard from others i missed alot of bad story arcs, i tried reading the book with the intro gwen's daughter but when i found out how that story was going i said never agian for a long time spidey was a favriot of mine i hate what they did with him. and talk about bad art they have the wrost artist ever in scottie young i would never buy a book buy him

[thunderbolt]

Last thing I picked up from Marvel was Agents of ATLAS, and am awaiting the sequel. All the Civil War crap does nothing for me.

[Comic Book Geek]

Spider-man's not good (although the last issue was interesting JMS has had a few good moments in his run but mostly bad), but I don't understand all the hate for Marvel. There are really good Marvel books and have been for the last several years. Ultimates and Ultimates 2 which just wrapped up were great. Ultimate Spider-man and Ultimate FF have been really good throughout their runs Daredevil went through the best run ever IMO within the last 5 years. Astonishing X-men which is near it's end is fantastic. I love the Illuminati miniseries. I'm enjoying new Avengers and really really like Mighty Avengers. I just read a couple preludes to World War Hulk and it was good. Captain America is great even though he's apparently dead (for now) and say what you want, but Civil War was a decent read and has had a real (and interesting) effect on the Marvel U. So what have people been reading that's sucked so bad? I'm know they have some badly written books, but so does every comic company.

[The Toyroom]

Although there are occasional sparks of genius at the former House of Ideas, Marvel has been mismanaged for quite some time. Jim Shooter started some of the damage and it was just added upon by Bill Jemas, Joe Quesada and others. DC isn't always top-notch either but I think for the most part there's been more of an editorial flow from one regime to the next, right or wrong.
A long time ago my Marvel/DC buying was split pretty evenly in the 70s and 80s...nowadays it's like 90% DC, 10% Marvel.

[palitoy]

Marvel lost me in the 80's somewhere. I felt at the time that they didn't give any of their characters a classic status, always tinkering with them to sell more books. That and I never cared for Mutants much.
I still love the classic books but I don't know what's going on with any Marvel characters any more.

[aquatroy]

I tend to like the Marvel titles that don't depend so much on the MU Continuity. Daredevil & Iron Fist are good examples of this. There's not much mentioned of Civil War or the ramifications of it.

[Comic Book Geek]

Marvel lost me in the 80's somewhere. I felt at the time that they didn't give any of their characters a classic status, always tinkering with them to sell more books. That and I never cared for Mutants much.
I still love the classic books but I don't know what's going on with any Marvel characters any more.

I wont argue that Marvel tinkers, but wouldn't you agree that DC does this from a different angle? DC tends to kill off characters and replace them. Flash dies, then there's a new Flash. Same for Green Lantern, Blue Beetle, Super Girl, Robin etc..

Spider-man may have changed over time, but he's still Peter parker, Bruce banner's still the Hulk etc... it's mainly a different style.

Both companies have to mix things up to keep interest alive. things have to change and develope. I understand someone may like one company more than the other by nature based on style prefference. Many of the reasons given against Marvel from people that prefer DC, are the same reasons I have against DC.

[Bionic Joe]

capt america is hands down there best book, but then keep in mind it's caps only title unlike the 50+ x-titles and the 10+ spiderman titles, to me marvel started going down hill when they started cloning there top selling books, look at the punisher one top selling book back in the late 80s so marvel did another punisher title and then another plus a half dozen minis same thing with the x-men one title after another, and how many spiderman titles a month do we need? what made marvel really great back in the 70s was the top books was only a single title so every effort was made to make that title the best it could be, now they just slap an x-title on it and bang top 10 seller, amd plrase don't get me started on the every couple of years time to due an all new first issue, since the mid 90s how many cap america relaunchs has there been? not counting the whole heroes reborn crap try 3 and two for ironman what gives? cheap sales gimmick instead of just gotting a good writter and a decent artist give a book both and the buyers will come