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Thread: Batman Forever & Batman and Robin

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    I'm not holding my breath but I'm hoping one day they give Paul Dini a crack at Batman. I mean how many grew up watching Batman:TAS? Why has Warners never gone that route?

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    I'm not holding my breath but I'm hoping one day they give Paul Dini a crack at Batman. I mean how many grew up watching Batman:TAS? Why has Warners never gone that route?
    In today’s era of movie making that probably won’t happen, unfortunately. The default position for most studios now seems to be one that is inherently antagonistic to the fan bases attached to these historical IP’s. Dini would be viewed as nothing more than “fan service”, which is a cuss word to major American film studios.

    The go to approach to established IP’s is to deconstruct them, reimagine them, repackage them, reskin them, and then deliver a story to “subvert” audience expectations. I think we are in the very early stages of studios shifting away from this antagonistic approach to the audience, but it’s going to take a long time to show up in the market place.

    Besides, the last I heard Dini has been signed to continue the Animated Series for DC in comic book form, though I don’t know what ever became of it, as I gave up on DC for good after their last universe Reboot a few years back. The American comic book industry is in dreadful shape, DC in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liu Bei View Post
    The American comic book industry is in dreadful shape, DC in particular.
    I won't disagree, but I stuck with Aquaman through New 52 and Rebirth. He fared better than most from what I could glean online, certainly compared to how he was treated in the prior decade. I enjoyed the title and am grateful that DC, for whatever reason, saved the character even as they thrashed Superman and Batman.
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    BTW, I hate reading past reviews calling Alicia Silverstone, "Fatgirl"

    IMO, she was the most gorgeous Batgirl EVER -- even surpassing Yvonne Craig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    IMO, she was the most gorgeous Batgirl EVER -- even surpassing Yvonne Craig
    Lol
    What are you smoking Mikey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    BTW, I hate reading past reviews calling Alicia Silverstone, "Fatgirl"
    Agreed, they're disgusting and wrong.

    IMO, she was the most gorgeous Batgirl EVER -- even surpassing Yvonne Craig
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    personally, i always liked Dina Meyer as Batgirl, though Yvonne will always have a special place as the first and she was super hot too

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    I always thought Alicia Silverstone was pretty hot and I think she filled out that Batgirl costume quite nicely, but I don’t think Batgirl was the right role for her, maybe more like Dick Grayson’s girlfriend.

    But lets get serious folks, to say she or anyone else for that matter was a better Batgirl then Yvonne Craig is insane, but its also a free country so you have a right to you opinion.

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    My biggest gripe about Batman and Robin nowadays is that it's just a lazy, almost beat-for-beat remake of Batman Forever. I like Forever, despite Kilmer being pretty stiff in the role, surprisingly. Like the first Burton film captured the early "mysterioso" days of the Finger/Kane Golden Age Batman run, Forever somehow feels more like the early 40s, young Robin era, despite Dick Grayson being an Adult Wonder.

    Silverstone was the flavor of the month at the time she was cast as Batgirl. I wish they had kept her in the cowl for more than 2 seconds. Making her Alfred's niece was weird, but suited the story. She was fine for what it was.

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    My grandson lived on B&R as a toddler so I was subjected to a daily dose of that film for a long stretch. Its probably a great case study in what people choose to see when placed in front of something repeatedly. I learned allot about the background, model sets, lighting, and color usage. Near the end, it evolved into a fairly abstract experience. But I discovered a few things along the way.

    Of all the Batman films to date, the Schumacher installments hold up the best in terms of visual appeal (IMHO). Regardless of the dialogue, assorted costume choices, or lazy camera angles that do not mask the mechanics of a shot, both films are generally very pleasing to the eyes with the rich colors and OTT settings that strive to find that fantasy flavor of surrealism in comics. Its a fairly honest interpretation of the panel graphic artform while admittedly removing any weight of story so you can swim in the scenery.

    If I've had a bad day, I can watch either of these films and just get lost in that world of fun, which services that desire for escapism. I think they serve their purpose well and apparently remain favorites for new generations of kids, which kind of speaks to their relevance. Like many have already stated, I wish the current brand of Batman films could dial back on the dysfunctional and depressed character model and try embracing a more kid friendly environment and appearance that doesn't have to take itself so serious. I hate to say it, but the Joker was right. (;

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