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  • thatblockoguy
    Member
    • Mar 24, 2010
    • 57

    #31
    Mattel probably sees this as a necessary move. Right now Universal owns the rights to MOTU and Mattel has the right of first refusal to make action figures until 2023 when that agreement ends. After that Universal can shop around. Smart move to try and revive interest in these lines. Hope they succeed

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    • Werewolf
      Inhuman
      • Jul 14, 2003
      • 14615

      #32
      Originally posted by thatblockoguy
      Right now Universal owns the rights to MOTU and Mattel has the right of first refusal to make action figures until 2023 when that agreement ends. After that Universal can shop around.
      I would take that with a grain of salt. As I understand it Mattel sold the entertainment rights. Not the IP. Universal owns the entertainment rights and the Filmation rights through Dreamworks. Mattel still owns the IP and has very recently renewed the trademarks. Including the trademarks to Princess of Power.
      You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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      • toyhunter1970
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 24, 2020
        • 364

        #33
        Originally posted by Mikey
        IMO, if Big Jim is released without his classic body he'll be a total flop
        agreed

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        • Earth 2 Chris
          Verbose Member
          • Mar 7, 2004
          • 32498

          #34
          I would take that with a grain of salt. As I understand it Mattel sold the entertainment rights. Not the IP. Universal owns the entertainment rights and the Filmation rights through Dreamworks. Mattel still owns the IP and has very recently renewed the trademarks. Including the trademarks to Princess of Power.
          I was wondering about that. Toy Guru put up a video about this, but despite the fact he was once the brand manager of MOTU, his cut and paste videos often leave me wondering if he REALLY knows what he's talking about, 100%. I enjoy some of them, but it seems like his "industry insider" angle only goes so far. For instance, in this video he shows a Biff! Bang! Pow! SMDM Fembot in among the classic Kenner line.

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          • palitoy
            live. laugh. lisa needs braces
            • Jun 16, 2001
            • 59200

            #35
            Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris
            I was wondering about that. Toy Guru put up a video about this, but despite the fact he was once the brand manager of MOTU, his cut and paste videos often leave me wondering if he REALLY knows what he's talking about, 100%. I enjoy some of them, but it seems like his "industry insider" angle only goes so far. For instance, in this video he shows a Biff! Bang! Pow! SMDM Fembot in among the classic Kenner line.

            He knows his stuff in many respects but he recently did a Big Jim video (where he wholesale used my stuff) and it was SO WRONG, I wish he had read the words I had written when he was nicking the pictures.
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            • Earth 2 Chris
              Verbose Member
              • Mar 7, 2004
              • 32498

              #36
              I think he goofed on the video above, stating the mold used for Battle Cat originally came from Mattel's Tarzan line first, and then it was used in Big Jim. But I think it's the other way around.

              Not cool that he doesn't give you credit, but his videos seemed to be made from Google searches. Many of his images are too low-res for video presentation.
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              • Werewolf
                Inhuman
                • Jul 14, 2003
                • 14615

                #37
                Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris
                but despite the fact he was once the brand manager of MOTU,
                Which he never lets anyone forget. Seriously, though, he hasn't worked for Mattel in a long time.

                I don't have the intense dislike of Guru some seem to have but he does come off as bit of an odd duck at times. I also noticed the errors on the Big Jim vid too. Even I know the Jim tiger predates the Tarzan one. I don't claim to be an expert on MOTU or have any kind of inside info. Everything I mention, like recent trademark filings, are widely known and reported public knowledge.
                You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                • palitoy
                  live. laugh. lisa needs braces
                  • Jun 16, 2001
                  • 59200

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris

                  Not cool that he doesn't give you credit, but his videos seemed to be made from Google searches. Many of his images are too low-res for video presentation.
                  Yeah I'm not that miffed about that part, just wished he had done more research.
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                  • thatblockoguy
                    Member
                    • Mar 24, 2010
                    • 57

                    #39
                    In a world of well thought out and informative toy videos from Brick Mantooth, Toy Galaxy, Analogue Toys and Ed’s Retro Geek Out, Scott’s just don’t come close in production value or content. They’re like an assignment that a high school student might put together on the fly. Not sure what the deal is with daily videos anyway.
                    Ok rant ended.
                    Re: this line, is it actually a line or just a one off offering. I have to agree with those who say that these new versions don’t capture what made each figure so endearing when they were first released. I’m old enough to have had all three back in the seventies. Like many of you they, along with Mego and GI Joe defined my childhood. Unfortunately looking at the pic, these don’t generate an emotional connection like the one I had when I first opened the Walmart GI Joe Adventure Team figures from around 15 years ago. If the idea is to reintroduce these properties to a new generation, I think it’s missing the mark completely. The first version of Max Steel did a far better job of capturing the fun of Big Jim. Just my two cents.
                    Last edited by thatblockoguy; Apr 10, '21, 6:41 PM.

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                    • PNGwynne
                      Master of Fowl Play
                      • Jun 5, 2008
                      • 19444

                      #40
                      Second that on early Max Steel. Matty should have done more with that relationship and reused those molds elsewhere IMO.
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                      • ddgaff1132
                        Persistent Member
                        • Oct 3, 2007
                        • 1693

                        #41
                        Originally posted by palitoy
                        Yeah I'm not that miffed about that part, just wished he had done more research.
                        NOPE!!! He states in the video that Pulsar is Big Jim scale but Pulsar is closer to Six Million Dollar Man in scale. So He's talking out his hat.
                        I'd rather get my toy info from someone who knows their stuff. (I'm talk'n bout you Brian)
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                        • Werewolf
                          Inhuman
                          • Jul 14, 2003
                          • 14615

                          #42
                          I've been thinking about this a bit more. The MOTU rights are certainly a little convoluted due to the multiple sales of Filmation. Loreal to Hallmark to Classic media to Dreamworks to Universal. Again, I have no inside info and I've never claimed to. All public knowledge.

                          The best I understand it is Universal is the current rights owner of the Filmation series. Meaning the Filmation looks of the characters. But they don't own the characters or the IP. Mattel does. So for a product, like the upcoming Hallmark Filmation Castle Grayskull ornament, Hallmark needs permission from Mattel for the rights to Castle Grayskull and the Filmation likeness from Classic Media/Universal. Classic Media cannot license out Filmation MOTU products without Mattel's approval because Mattel still owns the IP.

                          License info from the Hallmark Grayskull ornament from Hallmark's product page.

                          "MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE(TM) and associated trademarks are owned by and used under license from Mattel, Inc. © 2021 Mattel, Inc. Under license to Classic Media."

                          Under license to Classic Media not from Classic Media.

                          Universal also owns the entertainment rights, meaning movie rights, but again still not the IP.

                          Mattel has been recently and continually filing and updating the trademarks to Masters of the Universe and Princess of Power.

                          Mattel does have to license the Filmation looks of the characters from Classic Media/Universal if they want to release figures of He-Man, Skeletor, etc. as they looked in the Filmation cartoon. Though I think there might be some iffy leeway on how close they can get to Filmation because of the Mattel's style guides from the 80s which did use looks very close to Filmation. Mattel also doesn't own the character likeness rights to the 1987 live action movie. Like I said it's convoluted and overly complicated.
                          You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                          • Werewolf
                            Inhuman
                            • Jul 14, 2003
                            • 14615

                            #43
                            Hasbro doesn't have to deal with any of this nonsense with Transformers or GI JOE because they bought the Sunbow library and flat out own everything. Unfortunately, I think one of the problems with Mattel doing that is being forced to buy the entire Filmation library just to get He-Man and She-Ra and getting stuck with a lot of stuff they can't do anything with. In the long run it still might be the better option to not have to deal with this crap again and worry about selling off what they can't use later.
                            You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                            • Earth 2 Chris
                              Verbose Member
                              • Mar 7, 2004
                              • 32498

                              #44
                              ^But it doesn't sound like it's as cut and dry as "Mattel will lose the exclusive rights to MOTU in 2023", which ToyGuru claimed.

                              Chris
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                              • Werewolf
                                Inhuman
                                • Jul 14, 2003
                                • 14615

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris
                                ^But it doesn't sound like it's as cut and dry as "Mattel will lose the exclusive rights to MOTU in 2023", which ToyGuru claimed.

                                Chris
                                I could be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge, ToyGuru's claim does not seem accurate. Mattel still owns the IP and will continue to do so.

                                Here's an article from 2014 stating Mattel owns MOTU.

                                Donald Glut, the author of early "Masters of the Universe" comic books, strikes out in an attempt to claim rights to the franchise.


                                Donald Glut, who wrote the four original mini comics, tried to sue Mattel over the rights to MOTU. He lost.
                                Last edited by Werewolf; Apr 16, '21, 1:00 PM.
                                You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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