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Thread: Star Wars Han Solo Greedo scene has been altered again, yes again, for Disney plus.

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    Just for the record, I’m more baffled by his changes than anything. That why I wonder if he just kind of got lucky with the first film because his changes and additions seem to undermine his original instincts and what I assumed were his intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonGhost View Post
    Just for the record, I’m more baffled by his changes than anything. That why I wonder if he just kind of got lucky with the first film because his changes and additions seem to undermine his original instincts and what I assumed were his intentions.
    Lucas was lucky that his wife Marcia was an awesome film editor with great instincts. If I recall, she got the Oscar for film editing that year.

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    I don't really agree with the idea that hard core fans can just hunt down the Despecialized Edition if they want the theatrical cuts. While I certainly appreciate the hard work put into them and that they exist for fans, people shouldn't have to hunt down bootlegs of something considered as culturally and historically significant as SW because the director wants to try to suppress and alter history. Remember that it was George Lucas' impassioned speech on film preservation that helped to create the National Film Registry of the library of congress. It exists to preserve movies deemed historically and culturally significant. To this day they do not have the theatrical cuts of the original SW trilogy.

    The Despecialized Edition is also really not the true theatrical cuts. It's a close as possible digital recreation of them using tricks to try and undo the changes.

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    it does feel like a really passive-aggressive move.
    I agree with that. Many of the changes struck me as punishment for those that don't like the prequels. Don't like the prequels? Tough, here's Darth Vader's cringy NOOOOOOO scream from Revenge of the Sith pasted into the audio of the Jedi duel, Hayden Christensen digitally replacing Sebastian Shaw and Jar Jar yelling Weesa Fwee at the end. Those changes struck me as particularly pointless and petty.
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    I really don't think the Holiday special is that bad. It's not good by any stretch but certainly not worse than any other comedy variety show of the 70s. It fits the era.

    And...considering Lucas approved this



    He really has no room to be embarrassed by the holiday special.
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    Lucas is kind of a hack. I'm not saying he hasn't done some good things, but there's also an element of surrounding yourself with really good people. There are a lot of really untalented people who when surrounded by the right people can produce good things.

    Or maybe he just lost whatever he had. His work with the prequels should show how little he had left in the tank. His behind the scenes stuff showed he was a Soap Opera level director.

    Anyway, I don't really care one way or another. I think it's kinda cool to revisit and "update" movies. They've fixed some effects in Doctor Who, restored episodes with animation, etc. But the originals are always available.

    With Star Wars they've hidden the originals and tried to claim this is "how it was meant to be" which in a lot of cases, obviously it wasn't. I'm kind of shocked Disney hasn't released the original films as they were originally. Seems like money left on the table.

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    Lucas is no genius. It is clear by literally every movie he made since Star Wars, that the movie was a fluke. He was wise to hire others to execute the vision on the sequels. Writing and directing all three prequels was a bad decision.
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    Whether it was done on purpose or not (most likely not), tinkering with the classic Star Wars movies have kept them prominently in the publics eye when any other movie would have been forgotten... It's a case of bad news is still news.

    Today the 90's seem to have been retconned into the decade the world's demand for the return of Star Wars.

    Any semi-Star Wars fan that lived through the 90's knows this is untrue …

    Of course if you were in a media bubble and only red The Star Wars Insider you might disagree with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Lister View Post
    Lucas is no genius. It is clear by literally every movie he made since Star Wars, that the movie was a fluke. He was wise to hire others to execute the vision on the sequels. Writing and directing all three prequels was a bad decision.
    I don't think that's true at all. He's definitely a genius...he's just much better at ideas than execution. The biggest problem with the prequels, much like Peter Jackson's King Kong, is that one person had too much control. Both were surrounded by yes-men who indulged them rather than restrained them when necessary. Not one person on Lucas' team ever spoke up to say, NO, George...this or that is bad and here's why. If they had I think the prequels would have turned out even better than they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enyawd72 View Post
    I don't think that's true at all. He's definitely a genius...he's just much better at ideas than execution. The biggest problem with the prequels, much like Peter Jackson's King Kong, is that one person had too much control. Both were surrounded by yes-men who indulged them rather than restrained them when necessary. Not one person on Lucas' team ever spoke up to say, NO, George...this or that is bad and here's why. If they had I think the prequels would have turned out even better than they were.
    Yeah I would agree with this sentiment, he needed somebody to challenge him and make his stuff better. I don't think the prequels are bad ideas but they are filmed in a pedestrian manner with 2-dimensional characterizations. Had he hired a director, I think they would be much more universally admired.

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    I don't think Lucas is untalented either. I believe he is a gifted idea person. I just think his ego can get the best of him when he doesn't have people around him to rein in bad ideas.
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