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  • hedrap
    Permanent Member
    • Feb 10, 2009
    • 4825

    #16
    Little Rough Math.

    FFH Budget: 160Mil (+Marketing 280Mil) = 440Mil
    Gross Return: 380 (Domestic) + 730 (Foreign) = 1.11Bil

    Domestic Revenue Split - 60/40 (228/152 Sony/Theaters)
    International Revenue Split - 35/65 (292/438 Sony/Globe)

    Disney's Current Take: 5% (of 520Mil) = 26Mil +ownership of all merchandise rights

    Sony's Net Revenue: 520 - 26 - 440 = 54Mil

    Disney's Offer: 50% Co-Finance (NOT Marketing costs)

    Using the 50/50 split on FFH, Disney would put up 80M to Sony's 360M.

    Notice how not one article has details on what Disney wants in return? Because it's way beyond 5%.

    Disney needs Spidey because RDJ and Evans are gone. Because Lady Thor and Eternals have a very good chance of being bleh.

    Disney wants to own Spidey without having to pay Sony for Spidey's rights or incur the marketing costs. Offer Sony 1Bil and they'll sell Spidey by the weekend. But they can't afford to do it after the Fox purchase and streaming ramp-up.

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    • monitor_ep
      Talkative Member
      • May 11, 2013
      • 7344

      #17
      The other problem is Sony does not want to sell Spider-Man, it is there main cash cow. No other movies come close to what Spider-Man does.
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      • drquest
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        • Apr 17, 2012
        • 3736

        #18
        Disney needs to "liberate" Spiderman by buying Sony Pictures.
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        • Hedji
          Citizen of Gotham
          • Nov 17, 2012
          • 7246

          #19
          I think we can all agree the person losing the most is Happy Hogan since he and Aunt May are officially broken up.

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          • palitoy
            live. laugh. lisa needs braces
            • Jun 16, 2001
            • 59176

            #20
            Originally posted by Hedji
            I think we can all agree the person losing the most is Happy Hogan since he and Aunt May are officially broken up.
            I can think of one guy happy about that.

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            • Hector
              el Hombre de Acero
              • May 19, 2003
              • 31852

              #21
              Originally posted by drquest
              Disney needs to "liberate" Spiderman by buying Sony Pictures.
              While Disney is bigger than Sony Pictures...unfortunately for Disney...Sony Corporation is a very large and diversified giant Japanese conglomerate. It’s too big overall even for Disney.
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              • Nostalgiabuff
                Muddling through
                • Oct 4, 2008
                • 11285

                #22
                they'll work it out, there's too much money to be made for both of them

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                • CrimsonGhost
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                  • Jul 18, 2002
                  • 3568

                  #23
                  All I know is the Disney takeover of Fox cost a lot of people their jobs and made for less opportunities for available work so I’m not rooting for Disney to takeover Sony just for Spider-Man movies.
                  Expectation is the death of discovery.

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                  • monitor_ep
                    Talkative Member
                    • May 11, 2013
                    • 7344

                    #24
                    Oh I can, the main reason Disney bought Fox was to get the Marvel characters back, the other reason was to add there catalog to there's so that they can offer a big online catalog. So think how big it would be if the added Sony to there list. As Sony keeps saying they have 900 Spider-verse characters they have control over (only about 20 they would use) but think about what would happen if Marvel had that list of characters to add to there list.
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                    • CrimsonGhost
                      Often invisible
                      • Jul 18, 2002
                      • 3568

                      #25
                      Originally posted by monitor_ep
                      Oh I can, the main reason Disney bought Fox was to get the Marvel characters back, the other reason was to add there catalog to there's so that they can offer a big online catalog. So think how big it would be if the added Sony to there list. As Sony keeps saying they have 900 Spider-verse characters they have control over (only about 20 they would use) but think about what would happen if Marvel had that list of characters to add to there list.
                      I work in the industry so I have a different point of view. That Fox deal eliminated thousands of jobs. It’s like the mouse owns everything. There needs to be more places to work than just Disney.

                      I wouldn’t want to see it happen just so Kraven can meet Hulk.

                      The good part is that I don’t think they’re going to buy Sony anyway.
                      Expectation is the death of discovery.

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                      • monitor_ep
                        Talkative Member
                        • May 11, 2013
                        • 7344

                        #26
                        I am a shareholder in Disney (many shares) and this is in the talks. Sony will not sell back the rights to Disney/Marvel because he is there cash cow, but if you buy the farm it makes a difference.

                        Hopefully Sony & Marvel can work out a deal. It would work out best in the long run, I mean even Venom they had to get some rewrites from Marvel so without Marvel they are not going to make it.
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                        • CrimsonGhost
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                          • Jul 18, 2002
                          • 3568

                          #27
                          Originally posted by monitor_ep
                          I am a shareholder in Disney (many shares) and this is in the talks. Sony will not sell back the rights to Disney/Marvel because he is there cash cow, but if you buy the farm it makes a difference.

                          Hopefully Sony & Marvel can work out a deal. It would work out best in the long run, I mean even Venom they had to get some rewrites from Marvel so without Marvel they are not going to make it.
                          If I were in your shoes, I’d be furious about how they’ve handled Star Wars.
                          Expectation is the death of discovery.

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                          • monitor_ep
                            Talkative Member
                            • May 11, 2013
                            • 7344

                            #28
                            I haven't watched the Disney Star Wars due to the fact to just dumped all the past work. There was so much they could have worked with but nope they just created there own version of Star Wars and I decided it was not for me.

                            On a side not I cannot wait till my nephew gets a little older so we can go to Disney and spend time at Star Wars.
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                            • Bruce Banner
                              HULK SMASH!
                              • Apr 3, 2010
                              • 4325

                              #29
                              Jeremy Renner has apparently made his thoughts known via Instagram:

                              "Hey @sonypictures we want Spider-Man back to @therealstanlee and @marvel please, thank you #congrats #spidermanrocks #please."
                              PUNY HUMANS!

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                              • Bruce Banner
                                HULK SMASH!
                                • Apr 3, 2010
                                • 4325

                                #30
                                Kevin Feige quote via Entertainment Weekly:

                                Kevin Feige spoke a little more in depth about all the drama swirling around the webslinger, explaining the fixed time aspect of the original deal. When asked by Entertainment Weekly how he was feeling about Spider-Man, Feige said:

                                “I’m feeling about Spider-Man gratitude and joy. We got to make five films within the MCU with Spider-Man, two standalone films and three with the Avengers. It was a dream that I never thought would happen. It was never meant to last forever. We knew there was a finite amount of time that we’d be able to do this, and we told the story we wanted to tell, and I’ll always be thankful for that.”
                                PUNY HUMANS!

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