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  • Hedji
    Citizen of Gotham
    • Nov 17, 2012
    • 7246

    #31
    It's a diplomatic and classy statement to be sure, but inside, he's gotta be really angry.

    You know when Mom tells you that friend you've been playing with is a bad influence, and you're not allowed to play with him anymore? Now imagine if that friend happened to be Spider-Man. That would suck.

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    • Earth 2 Chris
      Verbose Member
      • Mar 7, 2004
      • 32498

      #32
      It might also be a power play to show Sony "We don't need you. But you need us." Which I think is honestly true.

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      • palitoy
        live. laugh. lisa needs braces
        • Jun 16, 2001
        • 59200

        #33
        It was fun having Spidey in the mix of all the Avengers and such, a real high point for me.

        The two movies produced under Marvel are IMO good, not great but certainly pleasant and right headed in many ways.

        Sony has made brilliant Spider-Man movies without Marvel, they have made absolutely abysmal Spider-Man movies on their own, so it's a real guessing game based on the director/screenplay they choose.
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        • hedrap
          Permanent Member
          • Feb 10, 2009
          • 4825

          #34
          First, I'm with Crimson. I've said here, for years, industry consolidation is horrendous. Disney/Fox will be the poster child but the real moment was Dreamworks collapse into a glorified shingle. WB is now a library of ATT. Apple already has a good stake in Disney, so that full merger is eventually coming. Microsoft and Amazon will fight over whose left. In the end, the studios will become another arm tied to the gaming divisions.

          As for Disney, they didn't buy Fox to bolster the MCU. They did it because Fox was for sale and Comcast had interest. The Fox library merged with Universal would have been a legit contender for Disney to fight. Things like Apes, Alien, Predator (and The Fly) alongside Universal Monsters, Kong and Jurassic Park is a serious theme park attraction. Then mix FF and X-Men with Hulk (and Namor) at a studio where Spielberg and Zemeckis operate out of. House all of that in a Comcast controlled pipeline, (cable channels, SVOD app) and it's heavy competition for the male demo which was why Disney bought Marvel in the first place. Disney had no choice but to pay a premium and give away exec positions. If they didn't, they would have been forced to overpay for Sony.

          If consolidation is the road we're on, then Comcast should buy Sony just to get Bond, then package the Marvel characters (Spidey, Hulk, Namor) in a swap with Disney for the entire (non-Marvel) Fox library. Marvel is made whole and Universal corners the horror/sci-fi genre, save Trek and Godzilla.

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          • LonnieFisher
            Eloquent Member
            • Jan 19, 2008
            • 10814

            #35
            I think Spider-man will be better in the long run without being in the MCU. His character was so diminished by Stark.

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            • Earth 2 Chris
              Verbose Member
              • Mar 7, 2004
              • 32498

              #36
              After 5 previous films, I didn't mind the fresh take of Stark being a surrogate father figure to Peter. It took the out-of-left-field aspect of the Civil War comic and made it work. It raised the stakes for Spidey's character in the hero-heavy MCU where plenty of other character's have similar or even more impressive powers. It made Spider-Man matter in the MCU, beyond just being Marvel's flagship character. In-story, he mattered more, due to him being the heir apparent to the universe's super-genius.

              The funny thing is, if the MCU loses Peter Parker, they now have Reed Richards there to assume his comic role of "smartest guy in the universe."

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              • Wee67
                Museum Correspondent
                • Apr 2, 2002
                • 10586

                #37
                Originally posted by hedrap
                As for Disney, they didn't buy Fox to bolster the MCU. They did it because Fox was for sale and Comcast had interest. The Fox library merged with Universal would have been a legit contender for Disney to fight. Things like Apes, Alien, Predator (and The Fly) alongside Universal Monsters, Kong and Jurassic Park is a serious theme park attraction. Then mix FF and X-Men with Hulk (and Namor) at a studio where Spielberg and Zemeckis operate out of. House all of that in a Comcast controlled pipeline, (cable channels, SVOD app) and it's heavy competition for the male demo which was why Disney bought Marvel in the first place. Disney had no choice but to pay a premium and give away exec positions. If they didn't, they would have been forced to overpay for Sony.
                You're right about one pressuring the other to get into the bidding war (though it was a very short battle), but the roles were reversed. Rupert Murdoch personally reached out to Bob Iger to propose the sale of most of Fox. Murdoch had previous dealings with Iger and likes him. When word got out, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts personally went to Murdoch's home with a counteroffer. Comcast knew going in that it would not likely be able to out bid Disney (Disney is a much larger content creation company while Comcast is invested more into content distribution). Roberts put in a higher offer, but Iger came back with a bigger one.

                Disney bought Fox because they see themselves as content creators. The IP's and future content Fox creates/could create was irresistible to Iger. He's had amazing success buying Pixar then Marvel then Star Wars... he's brilliantly aligned all this content along with its merchandising potential into a media giant.

                This article has a great (or tragic, I suppose, depending on your perspective) of who owns what media these days-
                Last edited by Wee67; Aug 29, '19, 11:12 AM.
                WANTED - Solid-Boxed WGSH's, C.8 or better.

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                • hedrap
                  Permanent Member
                  • Feb 10, 2009
                  • 4825

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Wee67
                  You're right about one pressuring the other to get into the bidding war (though it was a very short battle), but the roles were reversed. Rupert Murdoch personally reached out to Bob Iger to propose the sale of most of Fox. Murdoch had previous dealings with Iger and likes him. When word got out, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts personally went to Murdoch's home with a counteroffer. Comcast knew going in that it would not likely be able to out bid Disney (Disney is a much larger content creation company while Comcast is invested more into content distribution). Roberts put in a higher offer, but Iger came back with a bigger one.

                  Disney bought Fox because they see themselves as content creators. The IP's and future content Fox creates/could create was irresistible to Iger. He's had amazing success buying Pixar then Marvel then Star Wars... he's brilliantly aligned all this content along with its merchandising potential into a media giant.

                  This article has a great (or tragic, I suppose, depending on your perspective) of who owns what media these days-
                  https://www.vox.com/2018/1/23/169058...ionships-chart
                  No shot at you Wee, but that's not complete. Comcast made overtures to Fox before buying NBCU. Murdoch wasn't interested in selling at the time. Post NBCU buyout, they then made another pass which stalled over the layers of Fox channels, (cable, network, regional) and how it would run afoul of the FCC. Roberts than got pressured by Spielberg and Friends to bail Katzenberg/Dreamworks out as their international financing (Reliant from India), was falling apart and Disney's best offer was to dissolve them into Pixar.

                  So Roberts overpaid for DW which took him out of the acquisitions game. As this happened, Rupert retired believing his kids could handle the business until a merger with Time-Warner could shake out. Except the lifelong pi$$ing match between James and Lachlan went into hyperdrive over who was actually in control. Rupert sided with James, who then imploded the company in under two years. That's when James reached out to Iger, who offered him a save-face parachute as long as Rupert would go along. At that point, Rupert had to figure out how to take care of Lachlan, who wasn't jumping over in the Disney buyout. So now he runs what remains of Fox.

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                  • Wee67
                    Museum Correspondent
                    • Apr 2, 2002
                    • 10586

                    #39
                    Originally posted by hedrap
                    No shot at you Wee, but that's not complete.
                    No shot at all. I appreciate the information. My telling did not include all that great background.
                    WANTED - Solid-Boxed WGSH's, C.8 or better.

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                    • hedrap
                      Permanent Member
                      • Feb 10, 2009
                      • 4825

                      #40
                      ...and as said, it was all pressure tactics by Disney...

                      After briefly breaking up, Sony Pictures and Marvel have found a way to get back in the Spider-Man business together.

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                      • LonnieFisher
                        Eloquent Member
                        • Jan 19, 2008
                        • 10814

                        #41
                        Originally posted by hedrap
                        ...and as said, it was all pressure tactics by Disney...

                        https://variety.com/2019/film/news/s...an-1203351489/
                        Bummer!

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                        • Earth 2 Chris
                          Verbose Member
                          • Mar 7, 2004
                          • 32498

                          #42
                          I would have been real surprised if both companies left that much money laying on the table. Apart, they both stand to make a lot less money than together.

                          Chris
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                          • hedrap
                            Permanent Member
                            • Feb 10, 2009
                            • 4825

                            #43
                            ^Yep. Everyone assumed only Sony would lose out. I think I only saw one article that recognized how post-Endgame, Marvel only only had one established and young star (Panther) left.

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                            • phil
                              Persistent Member
                              • May 11, 2007
                              • 2078

                              #44
                              I'm not surprised they came to an agreement. How much longer does Sony have the rights to Spider-Man?

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                              • MRP
                                Persistent Member
                                • Jul 19, 2016
                                • 2035

                                #45
                                Originally posted by phil
                                I'm not surprised they came to an agreement. How much longer does Sony have the rights to Spider-Man?
                                The deal persists as long as they keep making movies. If they let it lie fallow for a set period of time, it reverts to Marvel, but as long as they keep making Spidey movies the deal automatically renews. The reversion for non-use is how Daredevil reverted to Marvel. Fox had the same type of deal for FF and X-Men, which is why they trotted out new movies regularly to keep those licenses before the merger.

                                -M
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