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Thread: AVENGERS: ENDGAME Thoughts and Reviews; The SPOILER Edition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzysnail View Post
    JSPOILER!!!

    I just went back and watched it with my son tonight. I noticed when cap went back to replace the stones he wad Thors hammer, and not his shield which was destroyed in the battle with Thanos, but when he is sitting on the bench he has the pristine shield, and No HAMMER....***?
    Also, if you pay close attention to the shield Steve gives to Sam, you’ll notice that, whereas by and large, it is the same shield, it is ALSO a DIFFERENT shield due to the design differences in the white star at the center.
    Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.

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    It's the original shield. He's carrying it in the WW2 duffle.

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    ^The shield Steve hands to Sam has more pronounced lines in the center of the star, and also has a few little detail lines added to the silver/white ring around it. It has to be a new shield either way, because in the prime timeline, it was destroyed by Thanos, and in the timeline Steve creates when he goes back to Peggy...well, he's either in the ice or using it as a revived Captain America!!!

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    ^Or he stops being Cap and stuffs it away.

    The writers and the Russo's have given conflicting info as to what exactly happened. The writers said he's in the prime as Peggy's husband in Winter Soldier. Russo's said he branched reality and somehow came back to the Prime. I think the Russo's got it right and Steve becomes the Nick Fury of that reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedrap View Post
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    On second viewing, the moment between Hawkeye and Witch lamenting the loss of Widow and Vision...the two characters whose lives were sacrificed on behest of the soul stone. She says "they know" we won, which on the surface is an angels in heaven line. It's a real Wrath of Khan moment.

    Except, Gamora came back to life via a transfer in time, and we know two versions of the same person can exist in the same moment thanks to Nebula. We also know Cap was supposed to return all the stones, including the soul stone.

    The thing is, the soul stone doesn't have a linear moment in time on Vormir. If it did, Hawkeye/Widow could have stolen it. The stone only manifests after the sacrificed person's soul swaps out. So how does Cap return a stone that doesn't have a moment in time it was stolen/borrowed from? If he went back to that moment and could return it, Widow would be alive.

    As the end shows, Cap went back to the forties, which has no connection to the branch-trimming.

    It has to mean Cap went back to the 40's as it's the linear moment for the stone as Tesseract. He kills Skull so he and it won't travel to Vormir. This creates a split that stops Cap from being frozen and leaves him to live out his life with Peggy. The stone allows him to do it in natural progression and age with her. When she passes, he then returns to the lake and gives Sam the original shield.

    So Cap created a split where Widow is alive as a Russian agent. It's his branch. No Hydra, No Cap. One where he lives a normal life. That branch probably leads to the FF and X-Men.

    Don't know if you're right, but it is an interesting and possible explanation.

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