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    Chaykin's HEY KIDS! COMICS! discussion thread



    Samnoir turned me onto this series, probably the first comic book I've read in a couple of years. An unabashed tale of the comic industry with the names changed, I'm a sucker for insider tales and gossip.

    Ultimately, I enjoyed it but it has its flaws, it's slightly hard to follow through its time hops, so many characters and well, Chaykin gives his faces a sameness that had me flipping back and forth to the glossary.

    This was my problem but i became obsessed with who everybody really is, you can easily suss out Lee, Kane, Kirby but others are more difficult. I am convinced that the three protaginists are red herrings, almagamations of creators meant to give it an arm's length.

    It also has a certain slant, I'm not surprised that it takes this stance in any way but it's a little cartoony at times with it's depictions of publishers. Some of them definitely were conmen though, not disputing that. The author likely has earned his viewpoint but it does come across as a bit jaded and sick of the industry.

    The one surprise is who is depicted as a creep in this, I'm not surprised at Kane, Lee or the Quesada/McFarlane digs but Eisner shocked me a little.

    Worth a read if you're looking for something outside of the cape stuff but don't expect a happy ending.

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    Not a fan of Chaykin. I've been going to Comic Cons for the better part of 35 years and one thing that has always stood about him is that he likes to hear himself talk and he's a bit of a used car salesman. That being said...I wholeheartedly agree with one of the buttons in that cover "If you get to Cosplay...I get to stare" Also, if he feels jaded by the industry then he shouldn't have done a book like Black Kiss. He knew exactly what he was doing for the sake of the controversy and for the sake of sales. Don't know if I would pay cover for the book...but if it ever goes in the 50 cents or $1 bins...I would give it a shot. Interested in the amalgamations he comes up with.
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    What is this--an mini, trade, etc.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Meanie View Post
    Not a fan of Chaykin. I've been going to Comic Cons for the better part of 35 years and one thing that has always stood about him is that he likes to hear himself talk and he's a bit of a used car salesman.
    That was somewhat how I felt meeting Steranko--but I sure enjoyed the chat, he was friendly. He had a low opinion of both Bob and Gil Kane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Meanie View Post
    Not a fan of Chaykin. I've been going to Comic Cons for the better part of 35 years and one thing that has always stood about him is that he likes to hear himself talk and he's a bit of a used car salesman. That being said...I wholeheartedly agree with one of the buttons in that cover "If you get to Cosplay...I get to stare" Also, if he feels jaded by the industry then he shouldn't have done a book like Black Kiss. He knew exactly what he was doing for the sake of the controversy and for the sake of sales. Don't know if I would pay cover for the book...but if it ever goes in the 50 cents or $1 bins...I would give it a shot. Interested in the amalgamations he comes up with.
    Yeah I don't know much about the man and I'm not sure i ever read any of his work previously.

    One of the main characters seems to have been based on Gil Kane.

    What is this--an mini, trade, etc.?
    The first five issues are in a trade. I'm not sure if this is done or going to continue. If he does the 70s and 80s, he'll probably burn some bridges...

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    Definitely sounds like checking out! I like stuff like this.

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    It was certainly an interesting series. Once you become accustomed to the time-shifts, the narrative flows more effectively.

    I've always been a big fan of Chaykin's artwork, particularly his 70s and 80s stuff for Marvel, DC and Warren.
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    Oh you totally get used to the time shifts but initially I found it jarring.

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    On the whole, I didn't enjoy the series too much, although it was undeniably interesting.
    The overly scathing nature did grate a little by the end, although obviously that was pretty much the work's raison d'Ítre.
    As Chaykin essentially started work in the industry in the 70s, it would be even more interesting to get a follow-up set primarily during that time period and also covering the 80s (incorporating his actual personal recollections and experiences), but like you said... he'd most probably be burning a fair few bridges with that!
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