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  • Mr.Marion
    Permanent Member
    • Sep 15, 2014
    • 2733

    Harlan Ellison Passes Away at 84



    I think it's consensus that "City on the edge of forever" is the best episode of Star Trek.

    RIP Harlan.
  • Makernaut
    Persistent Member
    • Jul 22, 2015
    • 1549

    #2
    A couple of months ago, I watched the latest Season of "Bosch" on Amazon and there were several scenes in the Bradbury Building and of course that made me think of "Demon with a Glass Hand". That and his other episode "Soldier" were among the best of "The Outer Limits".

    RIP

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    • phil
      Persistent Member
      • May 11, 2007
      • 2078

      #3
      He did not write the version of "City on the Edge of Forever" that was filmed despite being credited.

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      • Mr.Marion
        Permanent Member
        • Sep 15, 2014
        • 2733

        #4
        Originally posted by phil
        He did not write the version of "City on the Edge of Forever" that was filmed despite being credited.
        His version was edited to fit the formula of the show.

        If you want Ellison version check out the IDW tpb.

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        • johnmiic
          Adrift
          • Sep 6, 2002
          • 8427

          #5
          City on the Edge of Forever is Ellision's despite the fact it was re-written by several people. It has to be credited to him. The idea originated with him and the changes to the original story are not that far apart. It's like the differences between the Ant-Man film as scripted by Edgar Wright and the version that hit the screens. City on the Edge IS Ellison's no mater what. Both the screened version and his original went on to win awards. It all goes back to him.

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          • phil
            Persistent Member
            • May 11, 2007
            • 2078

            #6
            Originally posted by Mr.Marion
            His version was edited to fit the formula of the show.

            If you want Ellison version check out the IDW tpb.
            I have a copy of the book that includes Ellison's original story and script and the background on he making of the episode. It is also covered in the book Inside Star Trek by Herb Solow and Robert Justman.
            Last edited by phil; Jun 28, '18, 7:21 PM.

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            • phil
              Persistent Member
              • May 11, 2007
              • 2078

              #7
              Originally posted by johnmiic
              City on the Edge of Forever is Ellision's despite the fact it was re-written by several people. It has to be credited to him. The idea originated with him and the changes to the original story are not that far apart. It's like the differences between the Ant-Man film as scripted by Edgar Wright and the version that hit the screens. City on the Edge IS Ellison's no mater what. Both the screened version and his original went on to win awards. It all goes back to him.
              According to Ellison he didn't want his name on the episode but Gene Roddenberry threatened to black ball in the TV industry if he didn't take credit. Roddenberry wanted the clout that Ellison's name had in the Science Fiction community attached to Star Trek.


              I highly doubt Harlan Ellison wanted the first lines in his obituaries to mention Star Trek but he surely had to know it would happen.
              Last edited by phil; Jun 28, '18, 7:44 PM.

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              • Mr.Marion
                Permanent Member
                • Sep 15, 2014
                • 2733

                #8
                Originally posted by phil
                According to Ellison he didn't want his name on the episode but Gene Roddenberry threatened to black ball in the TV industry if he didn't take credit. Roddenberry wanted the clout that Ellison's name had in the Science Fiction community attached to Star Trek.


                I highly doubt Harlan Ellison wanted the first lines in his obituaries to mention Star Trek but he surely had to know it would happen.
                Ellison is well known in writing and sci-fi circles outside of that episode.
                I believe he did Avengers #101 and Daredevil #209?

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                • TrekStar
                  Trek or Treat
                  • Jan 20, 2011
                  • 8363

                  #9
                  He also had given a script for an episode of the 1966 Batman tv show with Two Face as the criminal, the episodes were to be called, "The Two Way Crimes of Two Face" but it got shelved and from what I understand had a falling out with Dozier over it and left ABC.

                  That's to bad since it sounded like an interesting story line, if they ended up creating the episode, I'd be curious to know
                  who would have played Two Face? I'm thinking since this story line was nixed, maybe the False Face character was substituted?

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                  • Makernaut
                    Persistent Member
                    • Jul 22, 2015
                    • 1549

                    #10
                    A few years back, there was talk of bringing a movie based on "Demon With a Glass Hand" to the big screen. Scott Derrickson (Co-Writer/Director of "Doctor Strange") and C. Robert Cargill (Co-Writer on "Doctor Strange") were attached to the project but it looks like they have moved on to adapting "When Gravity Fails" to the big screen.

                    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...rks-mgm-713214

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                    • Makernaut
                      Persistent Member
                      • Jul 22, 2015
                      • 1549

                      #11
                      I'm a regular reader of Mark Evanier's blog and he has an interesting (if not a little difficult to interpret) write up about Ellison. If you're not familiar with Evanier, he's a writer (comics and TV, mostly) and has known/befriended/worked with a lot of well-known people over the years. I've always found him to be interesting and very down-to-earth in the stories he chooses to pass on about his friendships with people we would call "famous". He tends to be a person that focuses on good things but he's not one to gush about anything good and he is always very, very delicate about anything that might be interpreted as negative. I know enough about Ellison's temperment to know he could be difficult and I find it interesting that even a complimentary and amiable dude like Evanier seems to be struggling a bit to not step in something while he dances around it.

                      https://www.newsfromme.com/2018/06/2...ellison-r-i-p/

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                      • johnmiic
                        Adrift
                        • Sep 6, 2002
                        • 8427

                        #12
                        Did you see the DC Comics Batman 66 Special? They turned Ellison's unused script into a comic with bonus features. I have heard they wanted to use Clint Eastwood for the character but the comic seems to use Lyle Waggoner as Two-Face. Funny because Lyle auditioned for the part of Batman.


                        While the 1960's Batman series brought colorful interpretations to many of of the Caped Crusader's [...]


                        Originally posted by tjacwave50
                        He also had given a script for an episode of the 1966 Batman tv show with Two Face as the criminal, the episodes were to be called, "The Two Way Crimes of Two Face" but it got shelved and from what I understand had a falling out with Dozier over it and left ABC.

                        That's to bad since it sounded like an interesting story line, if they ended up creating the episode, I'd be curious to know
                        who would have played Two Face? I'm thinking since this story line was nixed, maybe the False Face character was substituted?
                        Last edited by johnmiic; Jun 29, '18, 1:35 AM.

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                        • Nostalgiabuff
                          Muddling through
                          • Oct 4, 2008
                          • 11297

                          #13
                          sad news. no matter what you thought about the man and his personality, you cannot argue the raw talent. RIP!

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                          • Earth 2 Chris
                            Verbose Member
                            • Mar 7, 2004
                            • 32525

                            #14
                            Having read Ellison's original "City" script, I have to say I still prefer the episode as filmed. Yeah, Scotty wasn't dealing drugs as Roddenberry often claimed, but the worst aspect was Kirk's indecisiveness at the crucial moment when Edith Keeler dies. If it had been filmed as originally written, Kirk's character and position as hero of the series would have been neutered for all time.

                            But, having said all that, I'm sure, as others have said, Ellison would be quite angry that his death dug up more Star Trek talk. He was of course a talented writer, and a force to be reckoned with behind the type writer, and in public. RIP.

                            Chris
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                            • palitoy
                              live. laugh. lisa needs braces
                              • Jun 16, 2001
                              • 59229

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Makernaut
                              I'm a regular reader of Mark Evanier's blog and he has an interesting (if not a little difficult to interpret) write up about Ellison. If you're not familiar with Evanier, he's a writer (comics and TV, mostly) and has known/befriended/worked with a lot of well-known people over the years. I've always found him to be interesting and very down-to-earth in the stories he chooses to pass on about his friendships with people we would call "famous". He tends to be a person that focuses on good things but he's not one to gush about anything good and he is always very, very delicate about anything that might be interpreted as negative. I know enough about Ellison's temperment to know he could be difficult and I find it interesting that even a complimentary and amiable dude like Evanier seems to be struggling a bit to not step in something while he dances around it.

                              https://www.newsfromme.com/2018/06/2...ellison-r-i-p/
                              Wow, that was classy and provacative at the same time. He was a complicated dude.
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