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Thread: 2001 Tim Burton Apes movie

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    It's probably my least favourite of any apes film. It has some great qualities, (mostly) excellent make up and yeah, Tim Roth is giving it his all but it's derided by a dumb story, a forgettable lead and Burton's contempt oozes all over this in the form of camp.

    I don't view it as an abomination or anything, a lot of cool stuff came from it in the form of merch and DVDs, so in a way I'm kind of grateful?

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    One of the first things that I noticed (and it bothered me) when I saw it in the theater was the utter confusion about: What exactly are the humans like in that world?

    Initially, they're treated like wild animals (a nod to the 1968 movie). They're dressed like Neanderthals, they scamper around in the jungle, and they get hunted by apes on horseback, get shoved into crude cages and branded. Some are sold as pets. So, we assume that they're the same mute, primitive humans that we're all familiar with from the 1968 movie.

    Then... they start TALKING. In complete sentences. So, obviously they are not the mindless primitives that we thought they were. Since they are obviously intelligent, why aren't they living in villages, organizing themselves and making better clothing and tools, like humans did in our own Neolithic times?

    It starts getting more confusing. There's this one native human who seems to be like an ape household majordomo or senior servant. He's dressed nicely, and he's obviously being entrusted with important household duties- something that wouldn't happen if humans were simply animals. How/why would members of the same species be both pets and senechals? So the movie mutates the status of humans into more of a "Battle for the Planet of the Apes/POTA TV series" where talking humans are slaves, servants and an underclass and all they need is a little push from our astronaut(s) to get their act together and put up a decent fight/rebellion against their ape oppressors.

    So what are they? Animals or slaves? The 2001 POTA movie tries have it BOTH ways and succeeds in neither.

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    ^I didn't get that at all. To me, the apes and humans were intellectual equals, but the apes were so physically superior that the humans had no choice but to be subservient.
    Humans have treated fellow humans the exact same way. During slavery, there were better treated "house" slaves and butlers, but there were also field workers who were beaten and kept in chains.

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    Humans, (smart or not) were all cowed into being cows

    Kinda like the American slave era but replace the ruling physically superior bodies on the apes with lots and lots of guns
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    I never got a clear idea who the humans were in the film, native to the planet or are they descendants of the space voyagers? It kind of looks like they get slaughtered in the found footage.

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