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    Quote Originally Posted by Majere View Post
    Which is why I offered no opinion on political issues, only a fear that personal politics would be inserted into the franchise.

    http://collider.com/new-star-trek-series-details/

    I think it is fairly obvious what the new Left stands for to anyone living in the western world. But as this is not a forum for politics, I will not discuss it further.
    Good for Bryan Fuller for announcing a Canadian as his first hire in the form of Hannibal and Cube director Vincenzo Natali. 8)

    I still see no such indication of overt politics from what Bryan Fuller has stated in the rather thin-in-content interview you've cited. Lots of speculation from the interviewer, but even Fuller's loosely stated "progressive" plans aren't trailblazing anywhere Trek hasn't already gone before in any of it's iterations. Nor have I really seen overt politics in any of his previous shows, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Pushing Daisies, the 13 Mockingbird Lane pilot, and Hannibal. I think your fears are simply a certain degree of projection here, given that we haven't really seen any such evidence in past work, nor any true indication of how the show will actually play out.

    and no, it is obviously not the same for anyone living in the western world. At least in Canada, because we're the only country on this planet with multiculturalism written into its constitution, and that's the way it's been for close to a half century. What you still consider "New Left" politics, we've ratified across the spectrum for the past decade, and merely see it as an equitable way of life for everyone, from Right, Left, Upside Down, and Inside Out, all agree debate is closed every time someone tries to dredge it back up. We're actually living utopian 23rd century Star Trek lifestyles up here. I live in the most culturally diverse city in the whole wide world and for the most part, everyone gets along. We're the federation with toques and snowmobiles instead of replicators and nacelles. Because our Prime Minister is a Trekkie.

    seriously!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05...n_9858520.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by samurainoir View Post
    Good for Bryan Fuller for announcing a Canadian as his first hire in the form of Hannibal and Cube director Vincenzo Natali. 8)

    I still see no such indication of overt politics from what Bryan Fuller has stated in the rather thin-in-content interview you've cited. Lots of speculation from the interviewer, but even Fuller's loosely stated "progressive" plans aren't trailblazing anywhere Trek hasn't already gone before in any of it's iterations. Nor have I really seen overt politics in any of his previous shows, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Pushing Daisies, the 13 Mockingbird Lane pilot, and Hannibal. I think your fears are simply a certain degree of projection here, given that we haven't really seen any such evidence in past work, nor any true indication of how the show will actually play out.

    and no, it is obviously not the same for anyone living in the western world. At least in Canada, because we're the only country on this planet with multiculturalism written into its constitution, and that's the way it's been for close to a half century. What you still consider "New Left" politics, we've ratified across the spectrum for the past decade, and merely see it as an equitable way of life for everyone, from Right, Left, Upside Down, and Inside Out, all agree debate is closed every time someone tries to dredge it back up. We're actually living utopian 23rd century Star Trek lifestyles up here. I live in the most culturally diverse city in the whole wide world and for the most part, everyone gets along. We're the federation with toques and snowmobiles instead of replicators and nacelles. Because our Prime Minister is a Trekkie.

    seriously!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05...n_9858520.html

    We're getting awfully close to a political discussion here, aren't we? I couldn't care less about your prime minister, or your views on Canada's "multicultural" constitution. Let's just leave that nonsense out of this forum, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majere View Post
    We're getting awfully close to a political discussion here, aren't we? I couldn't care less about your prime minister, or your views on Canada's "multicultural" constitution. Let's just leave that nonsense out of this forum, please.
    Wow, look at you with your three months and 63 posts laying down the law to a respected 10 year member..

    You probably should just quit while you're behind.

    Maybe send an email off to Fuller recommending your services in correctly interpreting Gene's vision.. you know.. so the show doesn't end up so radically, tragically flawed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideshow Spock View Post
    Wow, look at you with your three months and 63 posts laying down the law to a respected 10 year member..

    You probably should just quit while you're behind.

    Maybe send an email off to Fuller recommending your services in correctly interpreting Gene's vision.. you know.. so the show doesn't end up so radically, tragically flawed..
    I'm sorry, does the forum policy guidelines only apply to new members? My apologies if so. I was under the assumption that it applied to all members equally. I appreciate the correction, and the respectful way in which it was delivered.

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    Time to chill. Maj, there are people here who do and don't agree with you, but the rule has always been to leave ideology outside. Sam is never one to breach that rule or start an argument.

    The debate to be had regarding Trek ideology: Roddenberry or Gene L Coon. I'm with Coon. What we're seeing with Fuller is his language sides with Roddenberry but the teaser trailer is way more Coon. If he actually tries to implement what Roddenberry talked about in the 70's and later, it's going to be very meh.

    Personally, I think Fuller's highly overrated. His Munster's reboot was inane and Hannibal was pure exploitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedrap View Post
    Time to chill.
    Amen.

    Quote Originally Posted by hedrap View Post
    Personally, I think Fuller's highly overrated. His Munster's reboot was inane and Hannibal was pure exploitation.
    But Pushing Daisies was sublime, and gone too soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedrap View Post
    Time to chill. Maj, there are people here who do and don't agree with you, but the rule has always been to leave ideology outside. Sam is never one to breach that rule or start an argument.
    You're right, of course. I really should refrain from discussing my prime minister, the superiority of the Canadian constitution, and the Utopian system created with its unique and singular devotion to multiculturalism. My apologies.
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    It still amazes me that a seemingly harmless thread can turn on a dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majere View Post
    You're right, of course. I really should refrain from discussing my prime minister, the superiority of the Canadian constitution, and the Utopian system created with its unique and singular devotion to multiculturalism. My apologies.
    Do and don't agree regarding Trek. As in "by reading Fuller, I do agree that's he's going to veer hard in one direction". Not because he has an agenda, but because of this quote

    One of the things I love about TV is you can really go hardcore sci-fi because you’re not trying to hit four quadrants.

    FULLER: Right, right. And because we’re CBS All Access, we’re not subject to network broadcast standards and practices. It will likely affect us more in terms of what we can do graphically, but Star Trek’s not necessarily a universe where I want to hear a lot of profanity, either.

    FULLER: When I first sat down with them, it was “Do you have a plan of what you want to do?” And they said, “No,” and I said, “I have a plan,” and we started talking. And it was wonderful to be working with Alex Kurtzman, who I have a tremendous amount of respect for, and who’s such an elegant storyteller and crafting a story with him that ties in so many elements of Star Trek that I think people will be really excited about because you can look at the original series and pick out episodes we’re using the DNA of and using the spirit of what Star Trek offers, both in terms of high-concept science fiction storytelling and really wonderful metaphors for the human condition.
    That, to me, is a very bad sign. He's playing to the what he percieves as the home crowd and that's the quickest way to lose people.

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    So Canada is Utopia? WOW...wish I'd known that! I would have moved there instead of back to New Hampshire.

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