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**emeraldknight47** · Sep 24, '17, 9:07 PM

Also not a fan of the new Klingons. It's like a bit of prosthetic make up overkill. Technology is also WAY too advanced for a period that is supposed to be taking place before Kirk. I like the design of the Shenjou, so, whether i see it or not (which is leaning forwards not), I will be sorry to see it go and replaced by the much bulkier and clunkier (IMHO) looking Discovery.

**Sideshow Spock** · Sep 24, '17, 9:37 PM

Originally posted by palitoy

I can't handle the commercials, going to bed and I'll watch it later.

I don't hate it but I'm kind of irritated so I'm not "wow" either. I don't like the new klingons, not that I mind change but I just find they're over done.

Totally agree. And the writing is SO uptight. Very little felt natural among the characters. Except for Saru, he was a positive exception.

And I know its no easy feat to fill Mark Lenard's shoes, but the actor playing Sarek doesn't even have a fraction of his presence and gravitas.

**hedrap** · Sep 24, '17, 9:48 PM

I'll be first.

That was...not good. They're using pre-TOS concept to exploit ideas people already know, but everything else is highly modern. The best reference I've seen is "Discovery is as if Abrams rebooted TNG".

And production standards have dropped off a cliff. That was some serious SyFy Channel dialogue.

**hedrap** · Sep 24, '17, 9:50 PM

Originally posted by Sideshow Spock

And I know its no easy feat to fill Mark Lenard's shoes, but the actor playing Sarek doesn't even have a fraction of his presence and gravitas.

This guy was better than the Alias Brit Abrams chose, but nonetheless, it ****es me off the way Lenard's character traits are discarded. The man's voice sold everything.

**monitor_ep** · Sep 24, '17, 10:02 PM

Well I watched the pilot and the Klingons just bother me. They changed them so much they look like a new species. I am paying enough for my Sat/Internet so I am not going to pay more to watch a series that irks me. Mabey when it comes out on DVD I will give it try, but not right now.

**Captain** · Sep 24, '17, 10:03 PM

Ok, I know I'm so old I yell at modern Trek fans to get off my lawn, but wow.....pee yuuu!
They can yell and scream this is Prime timeline all they want. This clearly was inspired more by JJTrek than anything else.
Definitely not my cuppa Trek

**emeraldknight47** · Sep 24, '17, 11:53 PM

Am I the only one who didn't care for the title sequence either? I mean, as much as people hated on "ENTERPRISE"'s opening credits, they were, IMHO, light years ahead of this one. The music, while it attempts to hook people in with Alexander Courage's four familiar notes, seems uninspired and boring. The images---whoop-tee-doo; fancy computer-generated animatics and schematics of the ship, a phaser, a spacesuit, a communicator and big, weird flowery thing? Nope, doesn't work for me. At all. Man, this show makes me REALLY glad that THE ORVILLE is on FOX and FREE!

**Nostalgiabuff** · Sep 25, '17, 6:21 AM

I did not even realize it was on last night. after reading the comments I don't even care that I missed it

**The Bat** · Sep 25, '17, 6:21 AM

It was slightly less horrible than I predicted...so I won't be signing up for CBS's monthly subscription.

**Mr.Marion** · Sep 25, '17, 6:32 AM

Originally posted by emeraldknight47

Am I the only one who didn't care for the title sequence either? I mean, as much as people hated on "ENTERPRISE"'s opening credits, they were, IMHO, light years ahead of this one. The music, while it attempts to hook people in with Alexander Courage's four familiar notes, seems uninspired and boring. The images---whoop-tee-doo; fancy computer-generated animatics and schematics of the ship, a phaser, a spacesuit, a communicator and big, weird flowery thing? Nope, doesn't work for me. At all. Man, this show makes me REALLY glad that THE ORVILLE is on FOX and FREE!

Yeah what were they thinking with the enterprise theme song? A Rod Stewart cover that sounded 10 years out dated back then. Trek always needs a score there is no way around that.

**palitoy** · Sep 25, '17, 6:45 AM

Originally posted by emeraldknight47

Am I the only one who didn't care for the title sequence either? I mean, as much as people hated on "ENTERPRISE"'s opening credits, they were, IMHO, light years ahead of this one. The music, while it attempts to hook people in with Alexander Courage's four familiar notes, seems uninspired and boring. The images---whoop-tee-doo; fancy computer-generated animatics and schematics of the ship, a phaser, a spacesuit, a communicator and big, weird flowery thing? Nope, doesn't work for me. At all. Man, this show makes me REALLY glad that THE ORVILLE is on FOX and FREE!

I actually thought the title sequence was impressive.

**rykerw1701** · Sep 25, '17, 8:27 AM

I hate to be contrary, but I enjoyed the pilot. I'm old school Trek and all, but I think this worked. The characters were unique enough to be interesting, it invoked traditional Trek without just offering the same old episodes. TNG was terrible its first year or two, this is well ahead of that. 1960's sets and what they could do for technology back then would look ridiculous now. It's not flawless, some of the dialog was eye rolling Lucas-bad, but I'm optimistic.

So I'll pay the $6 per month and ***** about it, but I think it's going to be a good show.

**drquest** · Sep 25, '17, 9:37 AM

I recorded it and watched it as well. Did the Klingons have to show up in the first episode? Did they have to be yet another version of Klingon? I can't say anything really grabbed me, the dialog was sluggish I felt, and that didn't match the breakneck speed they were trying to get to the action.

If it was going to be on CBS tv for free I'd probably keep the series recording, but there's no way I'd pay to watch it(I don't watch much broadcast TV and the CBS lineup isn't worth it for me) so I deleted the recording.

**Sideshow Spock** · Sep 25, '17, 9:48 AM

I watched the 2nd ep via YT (one of those screen in screen deals, not ideal but I'm good with it

), and I was no more impressed than I was with the first. Just felt like a mess. "We Klingons have to band together and fight the Federation to protect our purity and individuality!!"

Um, what?

The whole sudden Burnham mutiny was just preposterous. And I'm not even close to warming to the character.

**Mikey** · Sep 25, '17, 9:56 AM

While reading reviews here and online I can't help but think of an old Chris Farley Tommy Boy quote with a few replaced words...

If you want me to take a sh_t in a box and call it Star Trek - I can do that, I have the time --- but if you want a quality product watch the Orville

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