well said Dana.
well said Dana.
" But you can't kill me, i'm a Genius "
I have to agree with dana... I think the new series actually meshes very well with the old. The major difference is that the technology of the FX has finally caught up with the wonderful writing.
The only other difference I can see is the faster pace. I was a bit weary of them cramming entire storylines into one episode, but the pace adds to the excitement. The older episodes developed slower, so they had a chance to develop the plot into a more complex one. (maybe this is where the "dumbing down" comment comes from?) But, I think the new series has done well in developing complex long term stories over an entire season.
Getting back to the original poster...
I personally have gotten to the point in my Doctor Who obsession where I have no favorites. I too grew up with Tom Baker and have always considered him "the best." I have since come to love each of the Doctors for their own quirks. So, yes, do not avoid any of the shows. They are all worth watching. Paul McGann (8th Doctor) does a great job in the series of Big Finish audio adventures as well. Don't limit yourself to the television shows...
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I never got the whole New Series is "dumbing down" thing at all.
To anyone who thinks the New Series is "dumbed down", try watching some Classics over again ....... None of them is exactly Shakespeare either.
I resent the dumbed down statement because I like the New Series.
Calling it dumbed down is a blatant insult to anyone who likes it.
It's like calling THEM dumb for liking it.
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Just out of interest Rob, what would you have done differently if you had the opportunity to continue the series?
Would you have reverted back to the good old days of JNT, recalling his eye for serious sci-fi stories and non panto production style?
Davros is also a retcon, since he wasn't mentioned in the original Dalek story.
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I also have to ask you this Rob...Do you consider the novels to be canon or not?
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"Do you want a doll?" Kurt
>and of the tendancy to cheap toilet humour,
Well, the only example of that I can think of was the Slitheen, which I didn't mind. (Not every alien is gonna be macho and scary.) Were there others I'm missing?
>attitudes of don't worry about the rabid monster chasing us, let's dance,
There were a lot of times in the old show where the Doc gave a really, REALLY long speech during the chase or fight. (Sorta how Marvel characters can give speeches between punches...)
>and patently absurd plots-
Here's where you really start to lose me. Dude travels time and space in a phonebooth that's bigger on the inside than outside. At that point "absurd" becomes REALLY relative.
>The TARDIS is always described as a device, the Doctor sometimes called it 'old girl' as he might Bessie. "My machine can't think" as the Doctor explained in the Edge of Destruction.
My computer can't think either; but it alwys seems to know what program to use, when I've added something, and the best time to crash and totally ruin my day. I suspect the Tardis doesn't "think" but anticipates based on the situation and it's owner. They've shown in the old series that each Tardis is linked to the Eye of Harmony, and posesses a certain measure of psychic connection to it's owner. So it's not alive; but it can react in a way that's beneficial to it's owner. At least that's how it seems to work to me.
>Dr Who qualifies as Science fiction as there are no impossible magic creatures such as Dragons and werewolves.
Okay; the fact that you feel the need to differentiate so bad still bugs me. But, okay; I'll play.
>The Mind Robber is sometimes confused as fantasy, but it actually deals with the bizarre physics of other dimensions. Battlefield would let the side down if it had not been for The Daemons explaining that old world superstition was based on observations of aliens and their customs and technology. The Destroyer is a type of Daemon.
Once you accept stuff like that, ANYTHING is sci-fi. You'd mentioned that 40K was fantasy 'cos the Thousand Sons had magic from their inception, but in 40K what IS magic? Rules wise psionics and magic (from Warhammer Fantasy) work EXACTLY the same, and story-wise there's no reason what was "magic" in the olden days wasn't actually psionics with a lot of window dressing. It's all in the presentation. (Presumably the Warp existed before anyone knew it was there.)
Ultimately I haven't seen anything in the new series that can't be explained science-fictionally. (If you accept the Daemons, and the Guardians; why not that devil guy in the planet?)
>One thing I cannot understand is why you want to link the two programmes when you are so insulting to the original?
Since the point is gonna be pressed regardless; howzabout YOU play along? Why do you think we like the show and don't consider it an icky-poo remake? Just for sake of argument. Put yourself in our shoes and see if you can think through our position.
HOLY HANNAH!!!! I hadn't come back after I received the answer to most of my questions. I appreciate those of you who took the time to answer them specifically. There'a bit much to take in, even with the actual answers.
Thanks again to Mike for turning me on to the new Doctor, though I must admit, I'm not the biggest fan of the most recent incarnation.
Brain's comment about memory seems quite fitting for this post and, honestly, much of my 70's recall. Still, I enjoy my fuzzed memory with its warmly filled-in facts
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So Doctor Who novels aren't canon, but you consider the Peter Cushing, Doctor Who films still Doctor Who?
"Do you want a doll?" Kurt