Van Halen tour cancelled, says Rolling Stone

[MIB41]

Did we really think it would last?

Rolling Stone : The Official Word: Van Halen Tour Kaput (http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone .com%2Frockdaily%2Findex.php%2F2007%2F02%2F21%2Fth e-official-word-van-halen-tour-kaput%2F&0=&1=0&4=204.9.89.53&5=74.130.225.59&9=9e9db361a4a94fdcbee7a0becd7dc801&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=239138&15=main-title&17=8&18=3&19=0&20=3&21=5&22=RTKBskxui5c%3D&23=0&40=1ZZY6VUpyVXt8Rb%2BLly%2BUg%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true)

[toys2cool]

Really? wow that sucks,although it doesn't surprise me one bit

[theantiquetiger]

So what, I liked Haggar better (even though my first concert was "1984"). Now with the untalented Roth and no Michael, it is not Van Halen. I would rather see Eddie live solo.

[Zemo]

Come on man, That article is from 2/21/07. Try posting something recent and not fueling internet rumors. Eddie's sick.http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/03/03/van-halen-dates-postponed-as-eddie-van-halen-undergoes-medical-tests/

[nvmbrsdoom5]

That news bit that the link takes us to is outdated, it's from last february (2007) when they first cancelled their tour, before it was rescheduled later. Initially it was reported earlier today that the whole tour might be cancelled due to Eddie's current "issues" but now word has it that the current VH tour has just ben rescheduled due to some medical issues that Eddie is having. Here's the most recent bit I found...

Rolling Stone : Van Halen Dates Postponed As Eddie Van Halen Undergoes Medical Tests (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/03/03/van-halen-dates-postponed-as-eddie-van-halen-undergoes-medical-tests/)

[nvmbrsdoom5]

Oops Zemo just beat me to it!! :smiley1:

[huedell]

So what, I liked Haggar better (even though my first concert was "1984"). Now with the untalented Roth and no Michael, it is not Van Halen. I would rather see Eddie live solo.

Maybe your definition of "talent" is based off some kinda AMERICAN IDOL type
sterileness? I dunno----but thems' some pretty big words to say about the man
that along with Ed helped lead VH thru 6 multi-platinum albums and established a
band so that Hagar could have something to build his "older & safer" VH off of
----oh yeah---Roth also helped VH establish---not only the band----but basically
created the whole party hard rock genre...

Hagar (one "g") era VH might as well be 80s Journey or Bad English
or some other vanilla middle of the road schlock---and while that may be
passable music in some circles (hey I love me some "Open Arms") --- its like
nails on a chalkboard for the fans of the ROTH lineup(s) who appreciate the
VAN HALEN band for the vibe it was built on which was 97% Roth, 97% Ed
and two percent the other guys (fawning over Mikey's angellic backing vox
withstanding----take it down a notch already---its just some high backing
vocals for cripes' sake)

If Roth ever exits VH again it'll be one of the worst travesties in rock history
just as it was the few times before (if you count 1996 and the times in the
early 2000s when they tried to make it work)

Loving "Hagar VH" and hating "Roth VH" is like loving an apple tree for this
seasons' leaves and hating the apples----you can do that---it just doesn't
make much sense

Oh---and---by the way---

I agree---Internet misinformation is a bad thing.

I've heard this may be cancelled too---but as fas as I know---there's no
confirmation yet

Rock on kids.

[thunderbolt]

So what, I liked Haggar better (even though my first concert was "1984"). Now with the untalented Roth and no Michael, it is not Van Halen. I would rather see Eddie live solo.

Don't remember what movie it was from, but that's the test to determine if someone is a narc. Ask them if they like Hagar or Roth better, the narc goes with whitebread Van Hagar everytime. Its like saying you like Wings better than the Beatles. :rotfl:

[huedell]

Don't remember what movie it was from, but that's the test to determine if someone is a narc. Ask them if they like Hagar or Roth better, the narc goes with whitebread Van Hagar everytime. Its like saying you like Wings better than the Beatles. :rotfl:

I can't resist...



Airheads (1994)
---------------
Chazz: Okay, lemme ask you a question: who's side did you take in
the big David Lee Roth-Van Halen split?

Chris Moore: What?

Marcus: What kind of question is that?

Chazz: Who's side did you take: Halen or Roth?

Chris Moore: ...Van Halen

Ian: HE'S A COP!


Seriously though...regardless of any fruits borne from Hagar's alliance
with Eddie...what the Van Hagar-era did to neuter
THE MIGHTY VAN HALEN ranks as one of the greatest rock and roll
sins of all-time.

[Mikey]

Van Halen was cool when Roth was the lead man......
After him, they seemed like any other forgettable 80's band.

Remember the old rumours when Roth left and they were thinking about getting Patti Smyth to replace him ?
At least THAT would have been interesting :grin:

[huedell]

Regarding your words Mike---I agree with the "fogettable band" aspect you stated--

Yes, over the years I realized that it wasn't so much that I "hated" Sammy---or
the "Van Hagar" era as much as I hated the CHANGE of what VH represented
going from ROTH (a unique animal...love him or hate him) to HAGAR (more middle-of-the road).

If they would've gotten Smyth like Eddie said he wanted, at least it would've been
such a heavy left-hand turn from expectations (a female fronted VH?!) that that
would've been more palatable for guys like me that were (are) so bitter about the
ROTH/VAN HALEN Breakup and the VH-lite that VAN HAGAR represented.

[Mikey]

Love 'em or hate him ......

I think everyone would agree

Roth was/is a nut, he's got the pipes, he's arrogant and he call thrill an audience with a terrific show.

That combo totally makes him the epitome of THE ROCK STAR...

IMO, Eddie shouldn't of never let him go...... no matter what

Can you imagine Van Halen TODAY if Roth never left ?

We're talking almost Beatles or Stones here ......

Instead, they're a washed-up band that nobody really cares about ..

I think Eddie dropped the ball big-time..... no matter what he does, he'll never recover.

[theantiquetiger]

Maybe your definition of "talent" is based off some kinda AMERICAN IDOL type
sterileness? I dunno----but thems' some pretty big words to say about the man
that along with Ed helped lead VH thru 6 multi-platinum albums and established a
band so that Hagar could have something to build his "older & safer" VH off of
----oh yeah---Roth also helped VH establish---not only the band----but basically
created the whole party hard rock genre...

Hagar (one "g") era VH might as well be 80s Journey or Bad English
or some other vanilla middle of the road schlock---and while that may be
passable music in some circles (hey I love me some "Open Arms") --- its like
nails on a chalkboard for the fans of the ROTH lineup(s) who appreciate the
VAN HALEN band for the vibe it was built on which was 97% Roth, 97% Ed
and two percent the other guys (fawning over Mikey's angellic backing vox
withstanding----take it down a notch already---its just some high backing
vocals for cripes' sake)

If Roth ever exits VH again it'll be one of the worst travesties in rock history
just as it was the few times before (if you count 1996 and the times in the
early 2000s when they tried to make it work)

Loving "Hagar VH" and hating "Roth VH" is like loving an apple tree for this
seasons' leaves and hating the apples----you can do that---it just doesn't
make much sense



How long did it take you to copy and paste that from somewhere off the internet.

"Roth also helped VH establish---not only the band----but basically
created the whole party hard rock genre..."

TRY KISS, AREOSMITH, and a couple other bands. VH's first "party" album was 1984, before that, they were just a great band, but no "founding fathers" of a music genre.

[huedell]

I don't get what you mean by your "Internet copy and paste" comment antique---
and actually I'm afraid to know, as it just sounds like a totally obnoxious jab at me---
apologies if I misunderstood that

And, as far as KISS and AEROSMITH "creating" the "party hard rock" genre---
well---I'm not denying they both had a hand----but VH took it to a whole new level
and a whole new place at a time when the standards were being set

History has shown that the hard rock party bands of the 80s (the decade where that
aspect really took off) were much more influenced by ROTH and his direction
in VAN HALEN--- than AEROSMITH and theirs------the term "DAVID LEE ROTH clones"
popped up a plenty-----much more than "STEVEN TYLER clone" ever did

Even though ROTH's over-the-top persona was derived much from JIM DANDY---well--
-ROTH really brought it to the forefront of the music scene for the 80s bands to
replicate-----on the other hand, the guy who STEVE TYLER was most often compared to
was the MUCH MORE prominent Mick Jagger-----and, in turn----Aerosmith as a whole
was compared to that whole "English rock" dealie----while VAN HALEN shone more
uniquely as the FIRST (truly) BIG AMERICAN PARTY BAND-----its safe to say that
that bunch of comicbook characters from NEW YORK (aka KISS) didn't have quite the
same type of blue-collar, down and dirty impact in that vein as the CALIFORNIA party
dudes in VH did

As far as their "first party album" being 1984----- you don't know what you're typing---
-but I forgive you that----as you seem to be a bit skewed anyways----and are a cop ;)

[Adam West]

Don't want to add fuel to the fire but VH1 & 2 blew me away when I heard them and had always considered them some of the best albums of all time. When 1984 was released, I remember liking the album a lot but wasn't completely blown away by it like I was 1 and 2 (almost as if VH took a bit of the edge off). I have since come to love 1984 but I can remember having the wow factor the first time I heard "Eruption". I had never heard anyone before or since play the guitar like that...not that there aren't great guitar players but nothing that was so seemingly impossible to play, yet so precise.

[huedell]

AW---There was no way that the first VAN HALEN album would be able to be
done justice to comparatively in follow-ups----it was just too groundbreaking for
anything that followed it to be more than footnotes-----so your post is well-taken--
-to me any way

With that being said...1984 was a solid attempt to do as such :)

1984----was INDEED a departure for VH and quite groundbreaking in that hard rock bands
weren't known for adding synths to their formula at that point in time-----
but soon afterwards----many other bands did it and it became a staple of the late-mid
80s hard rock----to be used (& abused!)

Unfortunately for guys like you & I (there are alot of us!) that was the beginning
of the end of the edginess of VH----- and of that genre in general,

---however while Roth was THERE he put his stamp of primalness on even the
most "candy" "poppified" VH stuff----and when Roth left VH, it was like taking a
big stain outta your favorite worn-in pants----and what you're left with are pants
that look right off the assembly line-
---truly the end of the pioneering, forefront of party hard rock bands: VAN HALEN

After that (with Sammy) they were VAN HALEN in name only.

[theantiquetiger]

After that (with Sammy) they were VAN HALEN in name only.

Eddie was (is) Van Halen, no matter who the front man is. He is the talent and brains behind the band.

If you compare Roth's solo career and Hager's solo career, there is no comparison. Hager is alot more talented, making "Van Hager" a better band than Roth's Van Halen. The earlier music may have been better than the mid-80's stuff, but the band was better with Hager.

I think this is one of the reasons Eddie separated himself from Roth.

[Goblin19]

I gotta agree with Huedell. After Roth, Van Halen became just another band, losing their edge. I also think they were the founders of the party rock that dominated the 80's (for better or worse).

[Cosmicman]

Maybe your definition of "talent" is based off some kinda AMERICAN IDOL type
sterileness? I dunno----but thems' some pretty big words to say about the man
that along with Ed helped lead VH thru 6 multi-platinum albums and established a
band so that Hagar could have something to build his "older & safer" VH off of
----oh yeah---Roth also helped VH establish---not only the band----but basically
created the whole party hard rock genre...

Hagar (one "g") era VH might as well be 80s Journey or Bad English
or some other vanilla middle of the road schlock---and while that may be
passable music in some circles (hey I love me some "Open Arms") --- its like
nails on a chalkboard for the fans of the ROTH lineup(s) who appreciate the
VAN HALEN band for the vibe it was built on which was 97% Roth, 97% Ed
and two percent the other guys (fawning over Mikey's angellic backing vox
withstanding----take it down a notch already---its just some high backing
vocals for cripes' sake)

If Roth ever exits VH again it'll be one of the worst travesties in rock history
just as it was the few times before (if you count 1996 and the times in the
early 2000s when they tried to make it work)

Loving "Hagar VH" and hating "Roth VH" is like loving an apple tree for this
seasons' leaves and hating the apples----you can do that---it just doesn't
make much sense

Oh---and---by the way---

I agree---Internet misinformation is a bad thing.

I've heard this may be cancelled too---but as fas as I know---there's no
confirmation yet

Rock on kids.

Thank you for beating me to the punch. I was getting ready to rip into this guy until I saw how you handled it.

For someone to say they liked the Hagar lineup over David Lee Roth's version is like saying you'd rather listen to a Monkees record over The Beatles.

[EMCE Hammer]

Eddie was (is) Van Halen, no matter who the front man is. He is the talent and brains behind the band.

If you compare Roth's solo career and Hager's solo career, there is no comparison. Hager is alot more talented, making "Van Hager" a better band than Roth's Van Halen. The earlier music may have been better than the mid-80's stuff, but the band was better with Hager.

I think this is one of the reasons Eddie separated himself from Roth.

I've always thought you're a good guy, antiquetiger, but your post above makes me suspect that you are suffering from the effects of repainting too many Hotwheels in an unventilated space:-). I respect Sammy, but his solo catalog is utterly forgettable. Take away 'I can't drive 55' and it gets weak in a hurry. DLR is arguably the best frontman ever, certainly top 5. Hagar can't even sniff that. Solid guy; average material with VH. Almost none of it had any bite compared to the Roth stuff.

[huedell]

Eddie was (is) Van Halen, no matter who the front man is. He is the talent and brains behind the band.

If you compare Roth's solo career and Hager's solo career, there is no comparison. Hager is alot more talented, making "Van Hager" a better band than Roth's Van Halen. The earlier music may have been better than the mid-80's stuff, but the band was better with Hager.

I think this is one of the reasons Eddie separated himself from Roth.

Roth QUIT Van Halen...Eddie did not "seperate" himself from Roth

And ROTH quit because Eddie (Mr. Brains) stopped working on the new VH album

antique---with all respect, you do not know of which you speak----
ROTH (not Eddie) wrote all the lyrics and melodies to classic VH---

ROTH (not Eddie) was the one who convinced the early VH lineup
to play further from their desired style---aping BLACK SABBATH sludgey vibe,
to a more danceable musically melodic sound that defined VH

ROTH (not Eddie) was the one who designed merch (T-shirts, program
booklets, etc.) along with album covers to give the right tone to VH's
specific vibe

ROTH (not Eddie) creatively plotted and directed VH videos breaking
ground for the whole music video industry as he did so.

ROTH even affected Eddier's overall tone early on by convincing Ed to play
with a richer sound (eventually known as the "brown sound") as to not "scare
away the women" with uncomfortable tones and pitches Eddie was used
to showing off his talents with

As far what you're saying about Hagar making the band more talented---
and that making them a better band? That's the flimsiest argument
for the superiority of Van Hagar I can imagine---- this ain't
an AMERICAN IDOL perfection rating system contest----its rock n roll

VAN HALEN with ROTH used to be one of the best rock bands of all time---
with HAGAR---as MIke so eloquently said earlier----they were forgettable
-----just one in a million riding of the past glories that ROTH was so
instrumental in helping and GUIDING Eddie to build

[Mikey]

There will come a day,
When youth will pass away,
What will they say about me?
When the end comes I know I was just a gigolo,
Life goes on without me :grin:

[Adam West]

I guess for me the difference is apparent if you buy Van Halen's "Best of Both Worlds". The songs flip back and forth between David Lee Roth and Hagar and I constantly find myself skipping past the Hagar Van Halen songs to listen to the classics when Roth was around.

[Mikey]

One of my fav Van Halen songs of all time was/is Running With The Devil ...........

I heard Halen-1 (the album) for the first time back in high school and thought is was the coolest song ever......
Actually, I thought Halen-1 itself was the coolest album ever.

When Roth left a few years later and they got Hagar, I just scoffed and totally forgot about them.

I'm sure a younger generation loves Sammy because he's THEIR guy from their generation --- and that's totally cool .......

But I can't think of anyone who went through the Roth years--- RIGHT FROM THE START--- who doesn't think Roth is THE MAN.

Eddie himself, I think is a bit over-rated.....
He plays killer guitar, but if it wasn't for Roth, I don't think Eddie would have went far to begin with.

[Meule]

You guys are letting yourselves get suckered in by theantiquetiger, he's just playing you like fools. He's done it before and he's doing it again

[theantiquetiger]

You guys are letting yourselves get suckered in by theantiquetiger, he's just playing you like fools. He's done it before and he's doing it again

No, I replied 2nd in this topic stating I like Hager's Van Halen better. All I got to say, Roth's Van Halen - zero #1 albums, Hager's Van Halen - all four albums #1, so there are alot of closet Hager VH fans.

I do like Roth's VH, but I think the music, & the vocals (not lyrics) are better. I feel it is better music. (I am not talking merchandise, videos, promoting)

Now, I will add, that "Running with the Devil" is my favorite song by them.

[huedell]

Why is it about album sales?

Album sales are very much based on fads and trends.

The important thing involved in this debate is LONGEVITY

What you don't understand antique is that regardless of who had more #1 albums---
you will hear at least DOUBLE the amount of Roth-era VH on classic rock radio across
the country compared to Van Hagar...also note that a VH tour with ROTH will outsell a
VAN HAGAR tour EVERY TIME from now on (and most likely would have since the
mid-90s)...

Why?

Because a HUGE chunk of Hagar fans----they're not "in the closet"----they are GONE---
Van Hagar was a PASSING thing----VAN HALEN-----"ROTH" VAN HALEN is the REAL thing.

And the fact that you believe that the Van Hagar music is of higher quality---fine---you
and I have a different way of judging quality music...and we can leave it at that

But remember---SOLO ACTS' NUMBERS ASIDE----the "Roth in VH" fan base (and
appreciation) has been steadily GROWING since 1997 or so----while the VAN HAGAR
fanbase has been steadily shrinking.

[thunderbolt]

No, I replied 2nd in this topic stating I like Hager's Van Halen better. All I got to say, Roth's Van Halen - zero #1 albums, Hager's Van Halen - all four albums #1, so there are alot of closet Hager VH fans.

I do like Roth's VH, but I think the music, & the vocals (not lyrics) are better. I feel it is better music. (I am not talking merchandise, videos, promoting)

Now, I will add, that "Running with the Devil" is my favorite song by them.
So you equate talent with record sales? Seems like I've heard this before somewhere. It was a discussion about Billy Joel. Four number one albums just means there a LOT of dumbasses out there that like the MOTR schmaltz that Van Hagar churned out.

[Zemo]

There is no doubt that VH became a tame watered down sound with Hagar at the front. I just saw them on Valentines Day in Orlando and they blew the friggin roof off the Amway Arena.

D.O.A & Atomic Punk baby! Nuff said

[Mikey]

Van Halen's like Doctor Who and James Bond ......

Every few years their lead man regenerates :smiley1:

[megoat]

DLR!

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/DG/runnin_with%20the_devil.mp3

[MegoMonk]

If Roth was so great, why did his solo career dies out so quickly? Was that Living in Paradise song he did any less MOR than Van Hagar? Otherwise, his 2 biggest hits were campy remakes of old songs, which were helped a lot by MTV airplay.
Part of the problem with the Van Hagar era was eddie's keyboards. On some songs the keyboards fit, on others they were just in the way. This trend started on the 1984 album. So, Sammy is not responsible for the cheesy keyboards.
Sammy was a better singer, but DLR was a better front man.

As far as the other two guys;
Alex kicks ***.
The bass playing on the first few VH albums was the worst in R&R history. I think they called the album "Van Halen 1" is because Michael anthony played
"1" note on the whole album. He got pretty good by the time Sammy came around. So, I was suprised that they kicked him out now.

[nvmbrsdoom5]

While it's obvious that Eddie influenced many MANY people, I don't think it's fair to dismiss Roth so easily, because he was also a tremendous influence on many bands and artists who came after him. Generally when people think of the archetypical rock frontman, they often think of people like Steven Tyler, or Robert Plant, or Axl Rose......and David Lee Roth. His voice might not be your cup of tea, or his antics, or whatever, but to try and debate his impact and influence is folly. I mean, I hate Michael Jackson but I can't sit here and try to argue or deny what an impact and influence he was on the music scene! lol

Personally my issue with the Van Hagar era was that the songs became a bit too watered down....and I don't even mean because of the keyboards, because I don't mind keys. I just preferred the bite and energy of songs like "Hot For Teacher", "On Fire", "Unchained", etc., over the stuff they did in the late '80s/early '90s. But I know that alot of people out there preferred that Hagar era stuff and found it more listenable. I don't begrudge that. Different strokes, different folks.

Anyhow, to be honest, whether you want Roth out front or you want Hagar, it winds up all being rather besides the point if Eddie can't keep his act together. He's an astounding talent but he's got so many problems, some out of his control and some of them by his own making. If he can't get healthy, physically and mentally, then VH aren't gonna last much longer. And while we all can debate and argue over other points, I think anyone here can agree that while VH can carry on with Roth, or with Hagar, or whomever else....VH cannot carry on without Ed.

[Hector]

Roth was the better frontman, Hagar the better rocker...end of story.

[huedell]

If Roth was so great, why did his solo career dies out so quickly? Was that Living in Paradise song he did any less MOR than Van Hagar? Otherwise, his 2 biggest hits were campy remakes of old songs, which were helped a lot by MTV airplay.
Part of the problem with the Van Hagar era was eddie's keyboards. On some songs the keyboards fit, on others they were just in the way. This trend started on the 1984 album. So, Sammy is not responsible for the cheesy keyboards.
Sammy was a better singer, but DLR was a better front man.

As far as the other two guys;
Alex kicks ***.
The bass playing on the first few VH albums was the worst in R&R history. I think they called the album "Van Halen 1" is because Michael anthony played
"1" note on the whole album. He got pretty good by the time Sammy came around. So, I was suprised that they kicked him out now.

Roth's solo career (for all purposes of what we're taling about here-- i.e.
filling stadiums etc.) died out around 1993 because with Vai and Sheehan
he made some unwise powerplay ego/business decisions that forced them outta
the band by 1990----when his new gunslinger guitarist was situated (JASON BECKER),
the guitarist suddenly feel under the grip of LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE
(This was about 1993) and Roth became so frustrated with the idea of "band
upkeep" it sent him in a tailspin out of the pop culture spotlight from which
he never really recovered... save for his brief flirtations with VH reunions and
his ill-fated radio show....that is, until this most recent reunion where
ROTH is now back where he belongs----in the band that he had a huge hand
in building

I have more reasons I could list...but I believe that the "band issues" thing
is the most important and most pertinent to this discussion----main reason
being that Roth shouldn't have been out of VH to begin with---they
both benefitted from the talents of each other (Dave and Ed) and when Roth
went solo it tainted his whole career---and he STILL put out a LOT of
successful material in spite of that....his first full length studio album is hailed
by MANY as a better "VAN HALEN" album than any album VAN HAGAR ever
created.

That "Living In Paradise" song is called JUST LIKE PARADISE and the reason
why ROTH can get away with that "cheesy" synth song and still have more
integrity than VAN HAGAR'S schlock is because---not only is PARADISE just a
great song to begin with----its a "party song" It's not "Love walkin' in"
its "you make me eat my heart out nightly"----it's not "Dreams are made
of..." its "She's got the stereo and big guitar" ----- the PARADISE tune
may be more "MOR" or whatever you're talking about style wise but the LYRICS
and attitude are pure ROTH regardless----and that's more
CLASSIC VAN HALEN than Eddie and Hagar could ever hope to be

Regarding Dave and his cover tune success-----Dave MADE those songs his
own---and Dave's charismatic value is so huge in the context of rock n roll
that, frankly, a song will never overshadow Dave----Dave will overshadow
the song---in my eyes he can record as many covers as he wants and I'm
not going to hold that against him.

And if you want to blame EDDIE and his KEYBOARDS for the lamness of
VAN HAGAR (instead of Hagar himself)...very good....I won't stop you....at
least we agree that its lame.

I WILL add however that if ROTH wrote lyrics and melodies with EDDIE
with EDDIE having the same intent----if they coulda worked thru it---
-it simply would have been edgier & more "VAN HALENY" music as a result--
--as it stood with Hagar doing the collaborating---the result was VAN HALEN LITE

And as far as the "other two guys"---they're cool enough---but when you're
talking "VAN HALEN magic"---all ya really need is ROTH and ED----
Mike Anthony----BTW----might have impressed you more as time went on
because as time went on ED got more pushy over Mike's basslines---and
even started recording some of them himself---so there's that.

[EMCE Hammer]

To be fair, there are some Spammy songs that have some bite. To me, they are just too few and far between. Humans Being - cool. When It's Love - get me a bucket.

I'm glad they patched things up for the sake of a tour, but I'll believe it when I see it that they can actually sit down and write songs together. The stuff from 96 was weak. CGTSNM was like a Roth B-side, and Me Wise Magic should have been a Hagar tune. I actually think Hagar would have ripped it up if he'd gotten a shot.

I've been up and down this debate a zillion times on the VH boards. At this point, I just hope Eddie's going to be OK.

[huedell]

As far as Hagar achieving something of original VH standard while in VH
---even a broken clock is right twice a day---(HUMANS BEING is a dang cool tune
actually, I agree...but ROTH could've done better in my opinion...and I'll always
present that opinion---as, again, I think ROTH and ED are a better songwriting team
than SAM and ED, period.)

Regarding the 1996 Roth-tunes, as far as I'm concerned what with what ROTH had to
battle with----
---the tunes turned out awesome----cause you know, if Ed had his way, the dude that
helps Bon Jovi and Aerosmith write their newer schlockier tunes (Desmond Child)
would've written Dave's parts and not Dave---and Dave had to fight for everything he
got inputwise during the 1996 session---unlike the old days when ED didn't
(i.e. COULDN'T) play "dictator" in VH and it was still ROTH's call on how to
proceed pretty much

At this point my hopes are that Eddie wises up and records an album with Roth--and ends
the VH legacy on a SOMEWHAT appropriate note----but the jurys' out on that

[Cosmicman]

Yeah...what Huedell said...:terror: