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megojim
Sep 10, '13, 10:32 AM
This might not be a popular opinon but hear me out . . . . look down through the threads on this forum section . . . . 70% of them are negative. I'm astounded by some of the remarks made against/toward Figures Inc. It's like watching a whiney kid at Toys R Us throwing a tantrum when his mom won't by him something. If you are this disappointed with a toy being delayed, I suggest that you take a look at your life and re-align your priorities . . . . . just sayin'

Spyweb007
Sep 10, '13, 10:45 AM
I agree. The only issue I've had with CTVT in the past is the quality of the bodies, everything else has been well made. The body issues seem to have been corrected, and everything else looks great, so I'm very optimistic about the new lines.

MIB41
Sep 10, '13, 12:44 PM
The beauty of this forum is that everyone can express their opinion, whether it's a cheer of praise or venting frustration. At the end of the day, we're all fans of the hobby. Add passion to that stew and opinions are going to vary. So I prefer an open and honest discussion, tempered with a little common sense, over a less disingenuous thumbs up for everything that has no feeling behind it. People are just eager to see some of this new product. Demand is a good thing. :wink_y:

Starroid Raiders Dagon
Sep 10, '13, 3:18 PM
Yeah, another thing that might seem negative but wasnt intentional was the concern about the WWE belts and what affect it could have on the company. I was concerned for them over that. But MIB41 said it best that everyone can express their opinion, whether it's a cheer of praise or venting frustration.

hedrap
Sep 10, '13, 5:14 PM
I don't see it as a case of priorities. Don't start taking pre-orders if you're not ready and/or willing to keep the communication line active. When you promise to deliver, deliver. All the bad talk goes away with simple updates.

megojim
Sep 10, '13, 5:40 PM
I agree with your statement about promise an delivery of anything. My issue is that there seems to be a lot of anguish going on over a toy. If you've been around for very long, such delays are common place in this re-mego era . . . . good things come to those who wait

monitor_ep
Sep 10, '13, 8:29 PM
Normally I have been a on FTC side. But then I started to order from them and my male white bodies all come in the "Peepee Dance". Then I noticed that you can go ahead and buy a Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson for about $24 now. The Removable cowl and mask are truly a joke since they have the heads available. You can also build a Clark Kent (which I found out is mark as coming soon). So out of the first 3 waves we are getting 2 items you can get now and when wave 1 cames out you can go ahead and but the heads to match.

Yeah I know they wanted to reproduce the figures that were released, but I wish they would have thought it through and combined them.

megomania
Sep 10, '13, 9:36 PM
FTC called me today to follow up on my series 1 preorder. Apparently my preorder expired because it was over 90 days ago. The guy who called me was cool even when I told him people were ****ed at the delays. I declined to keep my preorder because I have other priorities right now and he said it's been pushed back to Nov and I just don't feel like waiting right now. I'll take a look at them if they really come out. They sent me an email cancellation so I felt it was legit although at first I was suspicious because he wanted my updated cc info because "the system purges after a certain point."

In the end I hope everything comes to fruition.

-Chris

jwyblejr
Sep 10, '13, 11:14 PM
I agree with your statement about promise an delivery of anything. My issue is that there seems to be a lot of anguish going on over a toy. If you've been around for very long, such delays are common place in this re-mego era . . . . good things come to those who wait

Sure. Look at Biff Bang Pow. There are delays but they still come through in the end.

MIB41
Sep 11, '13, 5:28 AM
^^^ I think it should be noted BBP makes the effort to communicate when there are delays. And when they push dates back, it's typically for a meaningful enough time to acquire sufficient pre-order levels to hit production. But ultimately people have to pre-order them in order for those figures to see the light of day. No company is going to make these figures if the demand isn't there. These are not huge companies like Mattel that can survive off a tax write off if a product tanks.

Chris
Sep 11, '13, 7:00 AM
FTC ruined my childhood along with alcohol, opiates and high gas prices. Wait. I meant FDIC.

mego
Sep 11, '13, 8:17 AM
Sorry Megojim,
You are mistaken.
Figures Toy Company released some poor quality products that were fairly expensive. People called them out for it on this forum.
They also engaged in some pretty shifty business practices (do some research on this) and were called out on it.
This is the beauty of the internet forum. The consumer is given a voice and can communicate their concerns. It also gives FTC some much needed feedback.
If I pay for a $25 figure, I want it to stand up. That's not too much to ask. I also want the paint to look good. If it doesn't, I feel a bit ripped off.

Don't confuse genuine criticism with slander. Clearly, many of the concerns voiced here were heard by FTC and many problems were corrected. It's nothing personal, people just want to get what they paid for.

megojim
Sep 11, '13, 9:07 AM
Sorry Megojim,
You are mistaken.
Figures Toy Company released some poor quality products that were fairly expensive. People called them out for it on this forum.
They also engaged in some pretty shifty business practices (do some research on this) and were called out on it.
This is the beauty of the internet forum. The consumer is given a voice and can communicate their concerns. It also gives FTC some much needed feedback.
If I pay for a $25 figure, I want it to stand up. That's not too much to ask. I also want the paint to look good. If it doesn't, I feel a bit ripped off.

Don't confuse genuine criticism with slander. Clearly, many of the concerns voiced here were heard by FTC and many problems were corrected. It's nothing personal, people just want to get what they paid for.

You've missed the point of this thread entirely . . . . . it's not about quality or even delivery delays (that's a valid discussion)

My point is I see grown men going on a tirade about toys!!! it's your right to do that but if a toy is getting you this worked up . . . . you might wanna re-evalute

huedell
Sep 11, '13, 10:10 AM
Jim, I think your complaint has more to do with a desire to be in an upbeat, classy posting community then it does with what makes sense as far as consumer rants.

There's only so long a company can get away with numerous product teases alongside significant delays for the same product.... add to that, the delays are often unexplained and that this specific company has a poor quality control reputation overall, well, I think it's just as valid for manipulated target audiences to rant/whine as it is for these companies to do what they do.

If you're looking for more polite forum posting behavior in the rants... then fine, okay... but to make the actions of the consumer complainers out to be unconnected to the actions of the manufacturer's decision-makers is not only invalid... it's unfair.

The manufacturers get a full pass on all things JUST because they are the ones who are making money? Heck... you see the lack of logic there... if anything, one might suggest it should be the opposite.

sauce
Sep 11, '13, 10:36 AM
Watch Breaking Bad and all of this will disappear.......

megojim
Sep 11, '13, 11:08 AM
again I think my point is not understood . . . . . this has nothing to do with quality, delivery or anything to do with FTC . . . . .

it has EVERYTHING to do with multiple posts that could be interpreted as "life altering" due to disappointment with a TOY . . . . . . it's all realitive and maybe I'm reading too much into the postings but really, regardelss of the situation/reason are you going to get his upset over a toy?

sorry . . . I guess I shouldn't have even started this thing but all I wanted to point out is there are a lot of bad things going on in our world and we're compaining about a toy . . . . stop for a second . . . . take a look around . . . . be thankful you have a job and the money to spend on a toy . . . . . be thankful you have a place to come and discuss such . . . . be thankful that there are guys like Anthony that share our passion and back it up by producing figures we desire . . . . that's all

mego
Sep 11, '13, 1:12 PM
By your logic, I might sit back and observe that I think it's ridiculous that you came to this website, entirely devoted to toys. Even though there are thousands of 'more important' websites to browse. Shouldn't you be reading articles about the economy or the Middle East?

mego
Sep 11, '13, 1:14 PM
I might also add that Figures is kinda sketchy and people are rightly skeptical. Business is business and people like to get what they paid for.

EMCE Hammer
Sep 11, '13, 1:23 PM
By your logic, I might sit back and observe that I think it's ridiculous that you came to this website, entirely devoted to toys. Even though there are thousands of 'more important' websites to browse. Shouldn't you be reading articles about the economy or the Middle East?

You said it. All this toy talk, and not a single thread about Khloe and Lamar. It's a little ridiculous that I need to jumper over to Yahoo to keep up with what's happening. Get it together Hampton!

megojim
Sep 11, '13, 1:32 PM
thanks steve . . . . . nuf' said

huedell
Sep 12, '13, 7:45 AM
You said it. All this toy talk, and not a single thread about Khloe and Lamar. It's a little ridiculous that I need to jumper over to Yahoo to keep up with what's happening. Get it together Hampton!
Seems you misunderstood the dude's original post. He was just saying that if you come to a website to discuss toys, you're just as silly as those that get irritated over toy-related things. And, essentially, I agree with that.

Things are what they are, whether they are "serious" world politics or "silly" toys.

To give one of those subjects more merit than the other is to demean the subject matter of the "lesser" subject and it also demeans and condescends the existence of an online community where that "lesser" subject is the central subject, as in: "Toys are of SUCH little importance in the grand scheme of life, that we should keep things all rainbows and gumdrops in our posts in that community.".

If these boards were promoted as a place to "...be thankful you have a job and the money to spend on a toy . . . . . be thankful you have a place to come and discuss such . . . . be thankful that there are guys like Anthony that share our passion and back it up by producing figures we desire..." I would never have become a part of this community.

If these boards were only "the above".... there'd be no debate, or otherwise insightful/revealing discussion "getting to the bottom of things" nor would there be "commiserating" or other things I think are cool (and valuable!) about online communities of people who passionately share the same interests.

I think it's cool that many here hold Mego Museum to a higher standard of decorum than most other discussion sites. It makes this place special.

However, to make it a place where every last one of the people in the community "knows life is too important to complain about toys" saps out a huge part of the reality that is "toy collecting"... and I find no interest in being a part of that.

MIB41
Sep 12, '13, 7:54 AM
^^^ Well said!

http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/files/3/7/4/brofist.jpeg (http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/showimage.php?i=23740)

EMCE Hammer
Sep 12, '13, 8:03 AM
However, to make it a place where every last one of the people in the community "knows life is too important to complain about toys" saps out a huge part of the reality that is "toy collecting"... and I find no interest in being a part of that.

I'm glad you closed the way you did, I have been considering an amendment to the membership agreement to accomplish just that. Whew!

I didn't miss anyone's point, Hue. I was merely joking with Jim, just as I joked in my response to you. If you didn't enjoy the show, refunds are available at the door with apologies.

huedell
Sep 12, '13, 8:29 AM
^^^ Well said!

http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/files/3/7/4/brofist.jpeg (http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/showimage.php?i=23740)
Fist Bump right back at ya, MIB! :)

Thanks, man.

I had to re-edit that post a bit to get what I was trying to say to be a bit clearer, but I think I got pretty close to my intent there.

I think it' s unfortunate if certain guys like me were shamed into feeling like we're bringing this place down when we rant. I know the negative stuff can get tiresome to some... especially to the guys in charge of running this place and keeping things under control (it'd be so much easier if everyone just "played nice"). But a "holier than thou" attitude can get tiresome to people like me as well. And, ultimately, sticking to a chaste attitude would be the downfall of any toy forum.

I've got a concept. If you're "too good to be complaining about toys" (and feel the need to criticize those that do) then maybe it's "you" who should rethink your position in a community where we gather to celebrate those toys.... warts and all.
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Why that "wart of a figure" like Myxlpltk instead of Luthor in the WGSH series? Why Myx at all?--------------See, what I mean, Jim?
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That doesn't mean one should just run wild here. You gotta know when you're hurting more than helping. I've stuck my own hand in that fire consistently over the years, to be sure. But the reason I haven't been banned and the reason I haven't left this place on my own decision, I think, is because there's a healthy balance that can be maintained. "Respect" and "Knowledge of what the community is made up of". EVERYBODY (on both extremes of what is acceptable here) is valuable to defining this unique community.

If it wasn't for people in the community that speak out on a higher standard (like you, Jim), then the mods here wouldn't be able to define and maintain a good aura around here, and, personally, I'd have no guideline as to know when "enough was enough". As I said above... the Mego Museum being one of the classier joints on the Net is what makes this place special. I want to respect that, and I'd like others to as well.

As much as I enjoy outspoken people, controversial viewpoints and cold criticisms, if you're gonna complain, whine or otherwise rant... you gotta be prepared for a smackdown, and be prepared to take your lumps when ya cross a certain line. Or you don't belong here.

It's a well-rounded, but overall "civilized" community

I like this place. Myxlpltk and all.

huedell
Sep 12, '13, 8:48 AM
I'm glad you closed the way you did, I have been considering an amendment to the membership agreement to accomplish just that. Whew!

I didn't miss anyone's point, Hue. I was merely joking with Jim, just as I joked in my response to you. If you didn't enjoy the show, refunds are available at the door with apologies.
Hey EMCE... with all respect... I don't feel I know you or your sense of humor all that well. You seemed to appear out of nowhere over the past few years, and are now one of the "bosses". Guess I've been too distracted to know your origins as I know others around here... especially Jim's! (Jim and I have a LONG history, to be sure!)

One of the faults people pick out with me with MY own online posting attitude is that I get too involved with others' posts, instead of just posting w/out addressing others directly, so maybe I shouldn't have commented directly on yours. Just because I believed (and still *do* believe) you did not "get" that guys post, doesn't mean I should point that out.

It's one thing to say you were joking in the post I referenced. But with every "joke" there are grains of truth. You can't p'shaw every last observatory sentiment with an "I was joking" retort (aka "I'm too good to do anything but make jokes on a silly subject such as toys"). If you could do that, then nothing you'd say on this matter would carry any weight. Anything said on the subject would be indecipherable. "Is he serious?" "Is he not serious?" until the proverbial do-doo hit the proverbial rotating fan.

If I ever leave the Museum on my own accord, I won't request a refund, as I feel this place has given me everything I ever expected from it. For now though, I'll stay at the show.

And hopefully I'll come to understand your sense of humor and posting style more as time goes on. For now, "not really getting you" is just one more thing in a long list of things that keeps this place interesting.

EDITED TO ADD: Well, I have to make a bit of a retraction to my confusion over your post... as I googled "Khloe and Lamar" and reading that post from that context, I can assume your post was indeed more goofy than anything else.

That said, if my own post came off overly critical due to my misunderstanding of your topical reality show humor, I apologize.

With respect to Jim, this thread did bring out the defensive mechanism in me... how little room is there in the Mego Museum for (tempered) heated discussion? And what kind of poster is "to blame" for making this place worse instead of better? In a way, these topics are more sensitive (if not more controversial) than religion and politics.

EMCE Hammer
Sep 12, '13, 9:10 AM
My new CD - EMCE Hammer Out of Nowhere - will be in stores for Christmas. I have been around since the beginning, all the way back to RTM, then the Levy list, and I popped in and out of here for years before I created my current account in '03. Most of my 1000s of posts as 'Azrak' went to the archive when we decided to use that ID as Brick/SC's foil, and there was a contest held to choose my new name. There were many great ones, but Megosteve Leach submitted EMCE Hammer and it won the vote. It was only supposed to be for a year, (I wasn't going to be 'stinkyweaselteats' for perpetuity) but it kind of stuck and it works as well as anything.

That being said, I totally get you.

palitoy
Sep 12, '13, 9:14 AM
EMCE Hammer= Steve Moore, didn't magically appear but he did sleep his way to the top. If you don't know he's a smart ***, then you're going to fail the exam this spring.

Jim makes a good case and I think he's being misunderstood, a small minority of people have done such notable, winning things as compare their reaction to a dolly as being a rape victim, while one other Mensa candidate suggested the people at EMCE kill themselves. Such things are not to be defended, even with a "toy town" curve, it's terrible, childish behavior.

Having said that, kvetching is going to happen and you'd be crazy to try and curtail it, as long as it keeps to a dull roar, it's part of the deal. It's not insulin or property taxes but I get it if you've put the money down and targets weren't met. I think most folks are cool about how they do it but like all things in life, it only takes one or two to make waves in the pool.

boss
Sep 12, '13, 9:16 AM
I think you're ALL full of crap.

David Lee
Sep 12, '13, 9:16 AM
Ya know I was reading this thread and could see common sense on both sides... I think that's why I love this place!

Jim is right why sweat it so hard, they are just toys... I think Hugh and others are right too; heck this where I can be a toy nerd and do my complaining...

Let's just not forget we are friends that enjoy talking about action-figures.

I would point out that when this was announced I offered, what I thought, the two most significant ways for Figures Inc (CTVT) to make this work, to heal some of the bad blood and re-invent themselves. Anthony if your reading this, I will say it again... The first of course was to produce a quality 8 inch body... Secondly? Come here and be a part of this community... that would alleviate almost all of this negativity. If people knew they were getting it straight from the horses mouth, most would be satisfied... it would also make people less apt to jump in and start in the first place. Come here and talk to people... if you truly want support and money from the people who love this scale/hobby/genre? you gotta put some skin in the game....

Dave

huedell
Sep 15, '13, 5:47 AM
My new CD - EMCE Hammer Out of Nowhere - will be in stores for Christmas. I have been around since the beginning, all the way back to RTM, then the Levy list, and I popped in and out of here for years before I created my current account in '03. Most of my 1000s of posts as 'Azrak' went to the archive when we decided to use that ID as Brick/SC's foil, and there was a contest held to choose my new name. There were many great ones, but Megosteve Leach submitted EMCE Hammer and it won the vote. It was only supposed to be for a year, (I wasn't going to be 'stinkyweaselteats' for perpetuity) but it kind of stuck and it works as well as anything.

That being said, I totally get you.

Thanks, man. I DID have a sense you were one of the oldtimers that pre-dated most stuff (including me... I was possibly on the Levy list... it was some Yahoo group)... but wasn't exactly sure who you were... "Azrak" of course, rings bells.

Good conversation overall in this thread (tip of the hat to Jim)... and thanks for the PM, too, Steve.... hopefully my PM reply wasn't TOO chaotic... I've been pretty spread thin the last few days.

boynightwing
Oct 3, '13, 11:03 AM
I'm poor right now anyway. They can take their time getting this stuff out there. I can wait and I'll be excited when the time comes to buy them.