All Star: BATMAN & ROBIN#5...Ugh!

[The Bat]

It seems to Me Frank Miller is intentionally trying to Sabotage His previous Classic writting's of Batman storie's. Nobody argues that "TDKR"...and "Batman: YearOne"...were Classic's...and Miller at His BEST! But now...it's like He's trying to Ruin all that...with His UGLY, Tasteless, writting of All Star:Batman & Robin! Every fiber in My being wants to cancel this Book in protest...but because of JIM LEE'S AMAZING Art...I just can't do it!! Not when Jim can still draw Batman like this:
http://megomuseum.com/albums/Bat-Freak%21/scan.sized.jpg

[Bionic Joe]

try this, don't read :cry: the book just enjoy the art, works for me

[thunderbolt]

Stop wasting money on it and re-read Hush if you need a Lee Bat fix that bad. Don't support the book and it will go away.

[The Bat]

Stop wasting money on it and re-read Hush if you need a Lee Bat fix that bad. Don't support the book and it will go away.


I hear Ya...and I agree! But I'm Powerless to resist NEW Jim Lee Bat-Pic's!:embarassed:

[thunderbolt]

I hear Ya...and I agree! But I'm Powerless to resist NEW Jim Lee Bat-Pic's!:embarassed:


and that, folks, is why comics like this exist. :biggrin:

[The Bat]

and that, folks, is why comics like this exist. :biggrin:


I wish I could argue...but Sucker's like Me keep buying the Book.:wall: Throw in My favorite Character...along with My favorite Artist...and They got Me!:embarassed: To Hell with the Writting!

[The Toyroom]

I dumped this after the first issue...sheer crap wrapped up in pretty pictures...that's all it is folks. And they're only on issue #5? How long does it take to write junk like this, Miller?

[joshvox]

what has happened to Miller? I was really excited about this book.

[The Toyroom]

what has happened to Miller? I was really excited about this book.

He's pretty much become a hack IMO

[Dave Mc]

Miller can still write, just not for DC. Since he took on DK2 and this series for DC, I get the feeling he's turing out total crap on purpose and laughing his *** off all the way to the bank.

[thunderbolt]

I'm more than a little worried about what Miller's going to do to The Spirit in the movie he's directing.

[The Bat]

I'm more than a little worried about what Miller's going to do to The Spirit in the movie he's directing.


Well...Miller has already stated that it would be Dark & Violent in tone. But I don't know much about the Character...so I don't know if that would be staying true to it.


but what's hard....is watching Him take a Character You love...and destroy him!:cry:

[thunderbolt]

He already stated that Ebony is not going to happen in the movie, because the character doesn't work today. Darwyn Cooke is proving Miller wrong on a monthly basis. :smiley1:

[BrianK]

I have to agree with Dave. Miller is doing this on purpose to get back at DC. They keep feeding him money for this crap and he is enjoying himself. I also think that Hollywood has gone to his head.

[BlackKnight]

Not a real fan of reading this book either. :angry:
I am more upset that Lee is trying to draw this book, & his Wildcat's relaunch at the same time. So, Both of these books are delayed months, & months after they are suppost to be out. I wish Lee would drop this crap & just go draw the Cats.. The first issue was great & I have been waiting 4or5 months for the second. :ugh_y:

[Earth 2 Chris]

Miller can still write, just not for DC. Since he took on DK2 and this series for DC, I get the feeling he's turing out total crap on purpose and laughing his *** off all the way to the bank.

My thoughts exactly. It's either that or Miller thinks he's too cool and hip now to stoop to treating these characters with any amount of respect. What really burns me is the All-Star line was originally supposed to be an entry level book for young readers. Clearly this is the LAST Batman book you should hand a young child. I'd give them DKR first.

Compare this to the classy yet innovative All-Star Superman and you can really see it for the turd it is. No amount of pretty art can make me buy this dreck. Bill Finger and Bob Kane should come haunt Miller at night for this.

Chris

[Comic Book Geek]

This book is laughably bad, and I'm not by any means a Jim Lee guy either. When a new issue comes out the owner of my local comic shop and I go through it and make fun of it. It's horrible. the Black Canary issue was the worst comic Miller had ever done... and then #5 came out and buried it.

I for one thinks Miller HAS lost it.

[jemboy2004]

I find it hard to believe a writer would do bad writing on purpose. I think he never had it so he doesn't have much to lose IMO.

I'm not a fan of his work then or now so I guess I can't really be the one to compare this series to his older stuff.

[The Bat]

When I first heard of this Book...I thought GREAT...Lee & Miller...could it get better than that!??? I figured Miller would just pick up, where "Year One left off...maybe a couple's Year's later...when Robin comes in...PERFECT! Boy...I couldn't have been more WRONG!:cry: Miller had a great opportunity to re-tell some Classic Batman & Robin Storie's(or new Storie's)...like John Byrne did with X-Men:The Hidden Years! But He's TOTALLY BLOWN IT!:angry: I just wish DC would wise up...and Boot Him off the Book! Nah...it's too late...the damage is done...They need just to cancel it.:ugh_y:

[thunderbolt]

It won't get cancelled till you batfan boys wuit buying it.

[The Bat]

It won't get cancelled till you batfan boys quit buying it.


I want to...but look at this Splash Page!
http://megomuseum.com/albums/Bat-Freak%21/ALL_STAR_BATMAN_AND_ROBIN_THE_BOY_WONDER_4.jpg

[The Toyroom]

Still won't get me to buy the book again, no matter how good the "pin-up" art looks.

[Sandlantern]

Sorry. Never been a fan of Jim Lee's art, and Miller ought to be ashamed of himself for this utter dreck.

I'll pass...this is even worse than the so-called "Ultimates" books. :juggleyes_y:

[brineb]

Funny I was a Miller fan, but he's really just putting out crap these days, so sad. I was never a Lee fan, but the best part of the book is the artwork.

It saddens me to think of what Miller will do to the Spirit ... I hope it's not a crappy Sin City (which was pretty stinky)!!!

[Sandlantern]

Books like AS(s) Batman seem to me to be solely pandering to the lowest common denominator...or maybe I've gotten too "mature" for so-called "mature".(And is that EVER MORE a misused term for arrested development comics like this?)

[ctc]

>Funny I was a Miller fan, but he's really just putting out crap these days, so sad.

I was never really impressed with Miller's stuff. Even books like "The Dark Knight Returns" seemed sorta... juvenile to me. I can't help but feel that the real problem with stuff like his new books is that Miller's now legendary and NOBODY would think to say no to the guy. We're now getting the sort of book he'd always wanted to make; but couldn't 'cos he had an editor breathing down his neck.

Don C.

[palitoy]

I've never seen the allure of Miller either, Batman Year one I liked but the rest of it seemed so over the top with cringe inducing dialogue that I kind of avoid his work.

Although, I also think that a lot of people ripped his style (making it even worse) so I might just have a low tolerence for such things.

[thunderbolt]

I want to...but look at this Splash Page!
http://megomuseum.com/albums/Bat-Freak%21/ALL_STAR_BATMAN_AND_ROBIN_THE_BOY_WONDER_4.jpg

Said it before, and I'll say it again. I really wish Jim Lee would grow a bit stylistically. His stuff looks like it was frozen in 1992. Lee is really just punching the clock on his stuff and not taking any sort of chance with his art.

[The Toyroom]

Lee doesn't need to be innovative because he'll collect a paycheck from DC no matter what he turns out, he's still got that VP title doesn't he because of the Wildstorm sale? So he doesn't need to push the envelope or crank it up a notch...the guy's got no "spark" anymore. Sigh....

[Comic Book Geek]

I can't believe I'm about to defend Jim Lee... I've never been a huge fan, but some of my favoririte comic art is unconventional. I like Miller's artwork on DKR and Alex Maleve's run on Daredevil. i don't drool over Jim Lee's work, but I can in no way say that he's just punching the clock and collecting a paycheck.

Lee's work (and I stress the word work) is painstakingly exicuted. I can't find fault in his ability or effort. It's not as if his work has suffured over time. If anything you have to say he's been one of the most consistant artists in the last umpteen years. I can't even pin the "dated" badge on him too harshly. If I have a criticism it's that his work lacks soul and emotion, but his ability is to be commended.

[The Bat]

I can't believe I'm about to defend Jim Lee... I've never been a huge fan, i don't drool over Jim Lee's work, but I can in no way say that he's just punching the clock and collecting a paycheck.

Lee's work (and I stress the word work) is painstakingly exicuted. I can't find fault in his ability or effort. It's not as if his work has suffured over time. If anything you have to say he's been one of the most consistant artists in the last umpteen years. I can't even pin the "dated" badge on him too harshly. If I have a criticism it's that his work lacks soul and emotion, but his ability is to be commended.



WELL SAID! I don't want Jim Lee to change his style ONE BIT! How can You improve upon PERFECTION????

[thunderbolt]

Hey, what's the XMen's Blackbird doing in the Batcave? :grin:

[The Bat]

Hey, what's the XMen's Blackbird doing in the Batcave? :grin:


Yeah...that's funnny! I noticed that too...I wonder if Lee did that on purpose?:smiley1:

[ctc]

>Lee's work (and I stress the word work) is painstakingly exicuted. I can't find fault in his ability or effort. It's not as if his work has suffured over time. If anything you have to say he's been one of the most consistant artists in the last umpteen years.

Very true; but mostly 'cos everything looks exactly the same.

>I can't even pin the "dated" badge on him too harshly. If I have a criticism it's that his work lacks soul and emotion, but his ability is to be commended.

I dunno. Lee commited what I personally consider to be the biggest sin in comic art: all his characters look the same. I HATE that! Detracts from a character's personality when they all wear the same face.

Other than that; he's a decent draftsman, but he has no composition. Everyone looks like they're posing for a fashion shoot.... all the time! No action, no throughline between panels, rigid looking characters. The digital colouring doesn't help either; makes everything look like it's made out of plastic.

Don C.

[Comic Book Geek]

>Lee's work (and I stress the word work) is painstakingly exicuted. I can't find fault in his ability or effort. It's not as if his work has suffured over time. If anything you have to say he's been one of the most consistant artists in the last umpteen years.

Very true; but mostly 'cos everything looks exactly the same.

>I can't even pin the "dated" badge on him too harshly. If I have a criticism it's that his work lacks soul and emotion, but his ability is to be commended.

I dunno. Lee commited what I personally consider to be the biggest sin in comic art: all his characters look the same. I HATE that! Detracts from a character's personality when they all wear the same face.

Other than that; he's a decent draftsman, but he has no composition. Everyone looks like they're posing for a fashion shoot.... all the time! No action, no throughline between panels, rigid looking characters. The digital colouring doesn't help either; makes everything look like it's made out of plastic.

Don C.


I'll agree that everything looks like a poster, and he's not the greatest storyteller. I sort of illuded to this with the lack of emotion shown in his work. Someone that I've never been taken with, but realized recently is a fantastic storyteller is Mark Bagley. No one will ever buy posters of his work but he tells the tale better than the majority. You know how the characters feel, and you're never confused about what's going on.

I guess my argument was against the idea that he's phoning it in recently. I don't think that is a valid criticism. this is what he's always done, and there's no cutting corners to it. Do I like it? No, I would hire mark Bagley a hundred times over before Lee, and I've never drooled over Bagley's stuff once.

I think people that aren't Lee's biggest fans care more about story and mood than fantastic art. I think someone mentioned somewhere in this post that they'll keep buying All Star Bats just for the art. Nothing wrong with that but it's not me.

[kingdom warrior]

Not a real fan of reading this book either. :angry:
I am more upset that Lee is trying to draw this book, & his Wildcat's relaunch at the same time. So, Both of these books are delayed months, & months after they are suppost to be out. I wish Lee would drop this crap & just go draw the Cats.. The first issue was great & I have been waiting 4or5 months for the second. :ugh_y:


I feel the same way too! I've been a fan of Jim Lee since he was drawing the Punisher and through the x-men. I was into his WildCats.I always liked Lee's draftsmanship although yes at times it looks all posed... IMO I think he was the standout of the Image artist.

As for this book it's just an allstar book to sell to the fanboys....Frank Miller is doing a hack job on this book... I don't think Miller is a Hack. Miller should stick to creating original stuff more than just doing Batman again. Seriously what can he bring to it that he hasn't already covered.

It would have been more interesting had they done something with a character like Red Tornado than just another Batman storyline.

[boynightwing]

Its a terrible book. I actually tossed Issue 3 in the garbage and stopped right there. Its bad. The art is pretty but I can see Jim Lee stuff in other places.

Its on Issue 5? now? And already they are using the Justice League from what I saw on the cover. Why not just focus on Batman and Robin instead of all these other characters? Unless he really doesn't know what to do with them.

Meh...its just not worth the effort. Its not the B & R I know and love.

[BlackKnight]

Said it before, and I'll say it again. I really wish Jim Lee would grow a bit stylistically. His stuff looks like it was frozen in 1992. Lee is really just punching the clock on his stuff and not taking any sort of chance with his art.


I think thats a bold Statement Bolt. I have almost every Jim Lee Book since 92, & he has seriously grown into a more accurate artist. His Body's & Faces are more detailed than ever, as well as his female body,.. with his weaponry,.. as well as his backgrounds. It's cool you don't like his crap,.. but he has seriosuly evolved since 92. :wink_y:

[thunderbolt]

That little bit that Bat posted looks just like his work from his X days.

[samurainoir]

I think Jim Lee's effforts would be best spent on The WildCats relaunch, however my understanding is that the delays on WildCats and Gene Ha's rn on The Authority can also be attributed to Grant Morrison's work on 52 as well.

I'd be interested in seeing Jim Lee and Greg Rucka take on Wonder Woman on some kind of Special Project.

[ctc]

>IMO I think he was the standout of the Image artist.

Hmmmm.... not that I'm advocating ANY of them.... but I'd hafta go with McFarlane on this one. He's the one of the three who had the most variety in his designs. Lee's characters all look the same (even the Daemonites have the SAME FACE as everyone else....) and Lefield... well.... His characters all looked the same and didn't have ankles.

>I always liked Lee's draftsmanship although yes at times it looks all posed...

"...at times...."? Hee heee..... I do a great routine of an Image character answering the phone. If we ever meet in person I'll have to show it to you. Funny stuff. really.

Dunno if I can give accolades to Lee's draftsmanship, either. He has a helluva time with any kind of hardware. Even a character with a gun.... the gun will go off model from panel to panel in the same page. (Not that you can fault him for that; MOST N. American artists seem to have a helluva time with hardware.)

>As for this book it's just an allstar book to sell to the fanboys....

*sigh* Yeah. I HATE marketing....

>It would have been more interesting had they done something with a character like Red Tornado than just another Batman storyline.

Very true; but see the above.

>seriously grown into a more accurate artist.

"Accurate" may not be the right word. He's solidified his style a lot more; at least with respect to anatomy for the heroes, but it's not exactly accurate. Looking at the posted Bat pic; the uniform is sort of sprayed on, and has them weird little pseudo-folds. But his stuff does look a lot more solid than when he started. (Solid in that it has mass.)

>I'd be interested in seeing Jim Lee and Greg Rucka take on Wonder Woman on some kind of Special Project.

"Must... arch back.... more.... world depending.... on me...."

Don C.