New Enterprise??? Gulp!

[johnmiic]

My old school friend Mike sent me this pic. The new Enterprise???

http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/files/3/5/enterprise_orbit_1080_original.jpg

[Earth 2 Chris]

I kind of like it. Its not going to be exactly the same. To a layman, its the Enterprise. To Trekkies its probably blasphemy for most. But I'm trying to keep an open mind. They are going to do this...

Chris

[palitoy]

I don't hate it, kind of retro looking.

[Brue]

I consider myself a bit of a trekkie. I like the ship from a visual standpoint and for a SEquel it would be grat. BUT for a PREquel - I dunno.

[Mikey]

If it's an artists rendition of what the 1701 Enterprise might look like in the future of Scott Bakula's series, i'd say it's quite nice.

If this is a picture of the NEW MOVIE'S 1701 Enterprise, I say --- the movie is dead in the water.

If they use this version, does that mean CBS is going to RE-RE-due all their special edition CGI crap on the classic series ?

Where does it end ?

[johnmiic]

I'm really on the fence about this. I don't hate it but I come from the school of If it aint broke-don't fix it. For a Pre-quel it's out of place. For an alternate Trek reality-if that rumor is true, maybe it fits.

[JDeRouen]

It looks fine to me.

[Mikey]

Scotty is probably turning in his grave.

Don't forget, on Relics ... Scotty made it clear he didn't even care for the A version :)

This thing would totally give him a heart attack :smiley1:

[ABMAC]

I like it. The original Enterprise always looked fragile and, frankly, illogical.

It won't be long before the old ship is forgotten.

[Mikey]

To me, it looks to much like the Enterprise-E

I think it's the warp engines.

[Sideshow Spock]

:smiley1: Sorry, but that pic's a phony. If you look at the saucer section designation on the Enterprise from the official teaser, it's not even close.


http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trek-uss-enterprise-b.gif


It's a pretty picture tho!

[Mikey]

http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/files/7/startrek_original.jpg

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[MegoScott]

I can't figure out if these are fake or not. They appear in this thread (http://playmagazine.com/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=9&t=5211). One image is hosted at Star Trek Reborn, which appears to be a fansite. The other is from a visual artist named Gabe Koerner (http://gabekoerner.com/fx/index.htm) who has the resume and connections (JJ Abrams) to be legit....


Oh, an dput me down for wanting it to be authentically retro. This is a fine design, but why?

[toys2cool]

Looks fresh to me,I like it a lot :grin:

[megomaniac]

So much mis-info out there. You know they are trying to mislead us.

Still, I have great doubts about this film being worth watching.

[mitchedwards]

I like the 1st poic, but something tells me its a fake. I like the pic of the Enterprise in the shipyard.

[Sideshow Spock]

I can't figure out if these are fake or not. They appear in this thread (http://playmagazine.com/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=9&t=5211). One image is hosted at Star Trek Reborn, which appears to be a fansite. The other is from a visual artist named Gabe Koerner (http://gabekoerner.com/fx/index.htm) who has the resume and connections (JJ Abrams) to be legit....

It's possible that the actual design/look of the Enterprise was based (partly or more) on these Koerner "drawings", but the images are not taken from the film, so there's no way to say definitively. The one official pic seems to already differ from the drawings, but we'll have to wait for a wider perspective.

Gabe Koerner Concept Mistaken For Leaked Enterprise | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2007/12/04/gabe-kroener-concept-mistaken-for-leaked-enterprise/)

So there ya be.

[MegoScott]

Thank you! I suspected there'd be a bigger announcement if these were real.

[raider5gt]

I like it,the 1st pic,it looks kind of mean looking :terror

[Airdave817]

I had a hard time watching Casino Royale. I had to get passed the fact this was supposed to be (film)chronologically before Dr. No.

Besides being a huge Star Trek and Batman fan, I'm a James Bond fan. I want to give Daniel Craig a chance. I guess I have to put aside the differences in technology. But then, Craig's Bond works for the same M as Brosnan's, but not Connery's or Moore's - Scooby says hruh?

The technology on Enterprise was cool. I just don't want a headache trying to wrap my brain around Enterprise to this Star Trek to the Classic Trek.

"Scotty - beam me up!"

[The Bat]

I LIKE IT! Come'on...if it looked just like the original TV Version...it just wouldn't work with todays high quality special effects.:sarky: This is a nice happy medium, between the old and the new. It has the round parts on the front of the Narcel's, and the right shape on the back of them as well. I'm very pleased...it's "retro" enough...and I think it looks GREAT!:yes:



*Whoops!* Shouldn't have skipped Page two! But I still think it looks cool!

[johnmiic]

The pic I posted was emailed to me by a friend. I didn't check to see if it was a concept and not the real one. Even so that forward vew is just a sliver. It has a lot of similarities. The Front of the warp engines are overly large like Gabe's design.

I am familiar with Gabe's work. He was in the films Trekkies and Trekkies 2. I read he also designed the CGI Viper Mark 2 and the worked on the first 1/3 of the CGI Galactica for the new BSG series.

[fallensaviour]

It better look like the CGI versions on the redone Originals or else!!
They better not F@#$ with the Trek cannon.I've about had my fill of that crap from Enterprise,ds9 voyager and stng.
Just give a cool time travel story with Spock or Kirk just don't mess up the trek universe or by Jeeze I'll turn in all my Trek stuff for Star wars!!!-No offence to you S/W fans... :grin:
I was a huge S/W fan until Lucas started playing around with everthing and messed it all up. :wink_y:

[johnmiic]

Trailer of the ship under construction seems tobe here:

Star Trek Teaser Trailer Online Now + New Viral Site [UPDATE + Screenshots] | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/21/star-trek-teaser-trailer-online-now/)

and lots'a screen shots.

[Mikey]

The hull fonts are still wrong

How hard is it to download CLASSIC FEDERATION BOLD EXTENDED fonts ? :smiley1:

C'mon :grin:

[Bo8a_Fett]

I like it. The original Enterprise always looked fragile and, frankly, illogical.

It won't be long before the old ship is forgotten.
Why illogical? I always thought that ships like the Enterprise, Liberator, and others always showed more imagination because they were never intended for planetfall and without the restraints of full gravitational forces on them could really be any shape or size.

As for the picture I think it looks ok bearing in mind that if it is an academy movie Kirk and the crew as we know it shouldn't even be on the ship unless its a tour. It was April's ship then Pike's ship long before Kirk gets command plus after the academy isn't he supposed to do a tour on the U.S.S. Republic and U.S.S. Farragut first?

[ABMAC]

Why illogical? I always thought that ships like the Enterprise, Liberator, and others always showed more imagination because they were never intended for planetfall and without the restraints of full gravitational forces on them could really be any shape or size.
Shape and size don't matter if a structure is stationary in outer space, but attaching engines to it forces you to have to deal with a different set of constraints: inertia, the center of mass, structural stability, etc.

The engine nacelles on the Enterprise were the '60s spaceship equivalent of giant tailfins on a '50s Cadillac.

[Bo8a_Fett]

The hull fonts are still wrong

How hard is it to download CLASSIC FEDERATION BOLD EXTENDED fonts ? :smiley1:

C'mon :grin:

Very apparently...what I can never understand is why film companies with franchises like these never seem to involve the fans...why can they not employ a geek/nerd to endure these things are done right...I mean it is all in the detail FFS ...when will they learn....

[Meule]

I'm really on the fence about this. I don't hate it but I come from the school of If it aint broke-don't fix it. For a Pre-quel it's out of place. For an alternate Trek reality-if that rumor is true, maybe it fits.

Pretty much how I feel about it.
This is Star Wars all over again. The 3 new movies had more modern spaceships than the original 3, despite the timeline being backwards

[danadoll]

I don't know...From the trailer pic below the Nacelles look awfully close to that image posted by Johnmic.

Star-Trek-USS-Enterprise.jpg (image) (http://bp3.blogger.com/_xsxToi4eEuo/R4_9KzXf0AI/AAAAAAAAABU/y7cTTCO8kro/s1600-h/Star-Trek-USS-Enterprise.jpg)

[thunderbolt]

I like the look of it. It has a sort of old school Buster Crabbe thing going on.

[Werewolf]

If that's what it actually looks like, I'm fine with it. I expected much worse.

[johnmiic]

The engine nacelles on the Enterprise were the '60s spaceship equivalent of giant tailfins on a '50s Cadillac.

Really? I thought the 1960's, Classic Enterprise was pretty no frills. If you look at the E from ST-TMP it seems they really over-stylized it in the 1970's. Compare that to the designs fo the 1980's Excelsior and 1701-D which reject stylish look for a more streamlined, functional look.

[Mikey]

I'll never forget a comment my buddy made years ago about the different Enterprise styles.

He said,
The Classic Enterprise is a Ford
The Movie Enterprise is a Chevy
The Next Gen Enterprise is a foreign import :smiley1:

Not sure what he ment, but it still makes me laugh

[jds1911a1]

If it's an artists rendition of what the 1701 Enterprise might look like in the future of Scott Bakula's series, i'd say it's quite nice.

If this is a picture of the NEW MOVIE'S 1701 Enterprise, I say --- the movie is dead in the water.

If they use this version, does that mean CBS is going to RE-RE-due all their special edition CGI crap on the classic series ?

Where does it end ?

Actually it won't even work for that they had a classic series ship in the mirror univers elisode of enterprise (the one flost just before the opening of Tholian Web) that fell back in time from the standard trek universe into the mirror one

Overall it still evokes everything I expect from a Constellation (or is it Constituton I can never keep them straight) class starship. I like it ALOT better than the new BSG battlestars and Vipers

[jds1911a1]

Shape and size don't matter if a structure is stationary in outer space, but attaching engines to it forces you to have to deal with a different set of constraints: inertia, the center of mass, structural stability, etc.

The engine nacelles on the Enterprise were the '60s spaceship equivalent of giant tailfins on a '50s Cadillac.

Actually trek addressed this in the one of the shows (TNG??) the Nacells "bounce" the warp field between them to generate the "thrust" field so they are elevated as far away from the rest of the ship as they could "warp" the hull. And they use force fields to offset the stresses on the hull

[livnxxxl]

Nice picture. It looks great to me. Then again what do I know I am not a huge Trekkie fan I just collect Mego's. :smiley1:

[davidb]

To be honest, they may both be legit. I've heard that they originally redesigned the Enterprise pretty heavily (like in the first pic) only to be told by the studio they had to follow the original show more closely (like in the second).

[Sideshow Spock]

The second pic is directly from the film's first trailer, so yes, it's legit. The first pic is from an artist who has worked on some previous Trek incarnations (and created this ship design for fun), but the new film isn't one of them. He has nothing to do with the design of the ship in the film, as he said himself in the interview I linked earlier.

[Captain]

Theres a few schools of thought on these pictures....First (and the one I hope is true) is that this is a hoax picture by Gabriel Korner (geeky Trek kid from Trekkies). It is very similar to one he did for the Ships of the Line Trek calendar last year.

Other school of thought is that it is the movie Enterprise, but once the 2 Spocks correct the time line, we go back to our classic Enterprise.(There are reports that Paramount/CBS stepped in and insisted the classic design (movie or tv) be used.

There is another, somewhat tamer (less ...stuff...on the outside) version of this ship floating around as well.

Even though I really hope this isnt the movie Enterprise, its primary hull and warp nacelles very closely match the ones featured in the teaser promo out now. I had hoped with Nimoy involved the new stuff would be closer to our old classic....Looking more and more like I'm wrong. Is this a bad thing?....I am struggling with that one. At its core, Star Trek is about the new, the unknown, discovery (inner and outer)....the future and what it holds. Yes, things change, but change isnt necessarily a bad thing. Change can bring growth and enlightenment.(I was going to quote Kirks speech from Return to Tomorrow, but you all know it anyways!)
It seems somewhat silly to be a fan of a show that embodies these thoughts and concepts, and then turn around and complain and dig my heels in because Trek itself is going through this very same process. Still....they're messing with something thats been established, and a part of my life for as long as I can remember...and I dont like it...No sir..I dont like it at all!

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

I don't hate the first pic. It's not really that different from the original design. This one just looks... busier. Which is the current attitude for science-fictional type hardware: make it really bumpy with lots of plates and stuff sticking out.

Meh.

>The original Enterprise always looked fragile and, frankly, illogical.

Oh yeah! But that's what I liked about it. The design REALLY stood out. It was unique; and I like unique.

As for fragility; that's one of the advantages of using super-science: you can make stuff look however you want. A trekkie friend of mine pointed out that what ACTUALLY held the ship together when it moved were "integrity fields;" dedicated force fields reinforcing the breakable bits. Makes sense, at "warp" speeds most materials wouldn't hold together so good anyhoo. (Unless you made them out of "unobtanium." Trek went the other way.)

And before anyone asks; no I DON'T care about realism. I much prefer internal consistency. If realism was a big deal I wouldn't watch a show where every alien in the universe seems to speak perfect English.

Don C.

[johnmiic]

I was reading a thread over at Starshipbuilder.com and they say the photo is that of Gabe Konner's design but not officially being used in the new film. They also note that the ship in the trailer still resembles Gabe's design quite a bit. So they're not sure what is going on. Perhaps the artist on the new Trek film used Gabe's render as a springboard.

Now I might be wrong but I think if you look at that clip in the trailer of the front view this new Enterprise is 2x's larger than the classic versions. I think the area under where the bridge is has a line dividing it into 2 decks where usually it is only 1 deck. Also the people working on the hull seem much smaller than when the main characters walked out on the hull in ST-TMP. The round warp engines also seem to be way oversized. I don't see people on the saucer per se but in the other shots they seem small.

[Hector]

I like it,the 1st pic,it looks kind of mean looking :terror

I was going to say the very same thing...it looks muscular and tough as heck.

[Sideshow Spock]

TrekWeb.com - Gabe KoernerMistaken For New U.S.S. Enterprise NCC 1701 (http://trekweb.com/articles/2008/01/27/Gabe-KoernernbspDesign-StillnbspMistaken-For-New-USS-Enterprise-NCC-1701.shtml)

[garagesale]

This is actually not from the new movie, but a photo of the UFO seen over Stephenville, Texas recently.

JamesD