Neal Adams Returns to The Avengers [Archive]

WannabeMego

Aug 11, '11, 10:49 PM

Vomit

What Avengers? ...I don't see any...I guess they were busy?!?!

I know this is someone's cup-of-tea, but it ain't mine.

emeraldknight47

Aug 11, '11, 11:13 PM

I agree. It's always good to see Neal Adams' work, but The Avengers this ain't. And why is it that Adams' art is degrading? I know he's getting older. but it's like he's not happy with how his stuff looks/looked, so he's trying to make it look like someone else. Sad. Adams' is one of the grandfathers of modern comics art....

The Toyroom

Aug 11, '11, 11:20 PM

I hafta say it....I think Neal Adams has lost his sanity (see Batman:Odyssey) and his touch as an artist...I don't really care for his modern stuff, his edge is gone.

kingdom warrior

Aug 12, '11, 12:19 AM

It just looks like a loose sketch blown up and computer colored even at his age he still draws better than most artist will ever in their lifetime.....

thunderbolt

Aug 12, '11, 3:14 AM

that Avengers line up ranks up there with the time that Simonson was writing the book with Reed and Sue, Cap and other lame members.

aquatroy

Aug 12, '11, 7:14 AM

I love Neal Adams, but he's lost his inner editor. He needs an inker. Unfortunately, I don't think there's anyone he would trust.

emeraldknight47

Aug 12, '11, 8:15 AM

I think an Adams-Sinckeiwicz team would be good, or the guy who inked most of Ivan Reis' run on Green Lantern....

MEMEGO

Aug 12, '11, 8:23 AM

I love Adams art, His Batman classic stories/art are still revelent in todays messed up comic world. He is a true master when it comesto comic/art. But, I find that the above Avengers cover is not up to par with his other classics. Is he trying to change his style in some manner? I agree that while the art above is not as t was before, Mr Adams can still draw miles above the so called new artists in todays comic world.

samurainoir

Aug 12, '11, 10:29 AM

I think the funniest thing about New Avengers is the fact that they have finally figured out how to get a book that in any other incarnation has/would/should be called The Defenders or Heroes For Hire, into the Top Ten as a best seller... Call it something-Avengers. (they did the same thing with Dark Avengers... Those guys were essentially spun out of Thunderbolts. A mid-list title at best that suddenly shot up the sales charts with a title change ). No wonder Marvel is suddenly slapping Avengers on every other title like they were X's. Why call them the New Warriors when Young Avengers is proven to sell much better?

Surfsup

Aug 12, '11, 10:35 AM

That is one horrible piece of artwork, this is what happens when the artist is just in it for the money and doesn't really care about the quality of the work he turns in. A true rush job if ever I saw one.

samurainoir

Aug 12, '11, 10:43 AM

^^^
not sure if this is necessarily an unfair Observation given the fact that in the past quarter century, Neal Adams has not been known for being very prolific, and is suddenly got what looks like quite a large work-load between Batman, Avengers and all the variant covers he's doing for Marvel in one month.

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/d/40/4dcaa88e9f918/detail.jpg

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/4/20/4dd198c716882/detail.jpg

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/1/c0/4e285183e9898/detail.jpg

madmarva

Aug 12, '11, 1:08 PM

Throw Dick Giordano or Tom Palmer's inks on that image and it would look slick. But I agree it looks like fairly loose pencils compared to Adams old work with color on top.

And I totally agree with the comments about the characters. If I didn't know, I would have thought it was a cover for Marvel Team-up not the Avengers.

karamazov80

Aug 12, '11, 1:20 PM

Weird. I just assumed Adams had retired as I hadn't seen him contributing anything to comics in years and years. The decline in his art style is unfortunately reminiscent of John Byrne over the last couple of decades.

And yeah, Spidey and Wolvie as Avengers? :yuk:

emeraldknight47

Aug 12, '11, 1:48 PM

The Hawkeye cover is kinda sweet (Adams was alway the freakin' king of foreshortening), but the Hulk cover is a bit "meh." Perhaps it's a mental thing, but to me, Adams' work seems to lend itself to DC characters moreso that Marvel characters....

kingdom warrior

Aug 12, '11, 1:48 PM

Again i'll say it and Samurainoir showed it. There IS NO DECLINE in his artwork that was a loose sketch he did that Marvel published. That drawing is 100 times better than most current Marvel artist can do on a good day.....

Earth 2 Chris

Aug 12, '11, 3:26 PM

kingdom warrior

Aug 12, '11, 3:51 PM

^I think Adams just doesn't care to polish his artwork like he used to. When he inked his own stuff it was more raw and less slick than when Giordano inked it (see Batman #251 for example), but he seems to be more "sketchy" now than even back then.

The "improvements" he made to the Batman Illustrated volumes shows this. Side-by-side to his older stuff, I think it actually looks inferior.

He has held up better than most artists do, though.

Chris

True, I'm good friends with Mark Beachum who use to do Samuree for Continuity. Mark had told me that back then Neal had a whole studio system going on where many of his top guys would ink Neal's work....Neal would only ink the faces so it looked like his signature face......he might be still doing it this way....

samurainoir

Aug 12, '11, 8:39 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/5716667818_a50471111e.jpg

EMCE Hammer

Aug 12, '11, 8:42 PM

samurainoir

Aug 12, '11, 8:58 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xA3SykqKbK0/Te_VR_PMEBI/AAAAAAAAkpA/jw0nFE0D1Sg/s1600/neal+adams.+daredevil.+001.jpg

samurainoir

Aug 12, '11, 8:59 PM

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/1/c0/4e285183e9898/detail.jpg

Just occurred to me
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Superman_233.jpg/250px-Superman_233.jpg

emeraldknight47

Aug 12, '11, 10:07 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/5716667818_a50471111e.jpg

OK. For an Adams piece, that Captain America sucks....

emeraldknight47

Aug 12, '11, 10:09 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xA3SykqKbK0/Te_VR_PMEBI/AAAAAAAAkpA/jw0nFE0D1Sg/s1600/neal+adams.+daredevil.+001.jpg

But the Daredevil piece is pretty sweet. Maybe it's just that Adams' style lends itself to characters like Daredevil, Batman, etc.

But on the other hand, he did do iconic Superman and his Green Lantern run is still largely without peer....

The Toyroom

Aug 12, '11, 10:13 PM

OK. For an Adams piece, that Captain America sucks....

Yeah it does....He should be airborne with those head wings :sarky:

thunderbolt

Aug 13, '11, 3:44 AM

^^^ And where do you get a rubber flag pole. Never cared for Adams all that much, but man he's really hit the wall.

The Toyroom

Aug 13, '11, 7:58 AM

For me, some of Adams best artwork was on The Avengers during the Kree-Skrull War (inked by Tom Palmer I think)...but all of this modern stuff like these Marvel covers, Batman Odyssey and even the redos/recolors he did on the Deadman HC just leave me cold...

kingdom warrior

Aug 13, '11, 9:39 AM

At 70 years old the man still draws rings around most artist....sorry I fail to see what part of "He sucks" applies..... Has his work changed yeah a bit but he's not a 20 year old. he's 70 years old and he's not a starving artist anymore with anything to prove. Can he still draw dynamic poses Yup! If he had a Great inker doing his work and "fixing" the things he just doesn't want to do any more....most people would be none the wiser.

Point John Bryne is a great artist but Terry Austin's inks made his X-men run Legendary

samurainoir

Aug 13, '11, 12:51 PM

Old school goodness
http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/215/neal_adams.gif

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID23390/images/battle63%281%29.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/3678095011_f2112d6377_b.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FVXCQBs2iUU/TAKLOJkaO4I/AAAAAAAAC0k/dv-3VdyDsFU/s1600/adams2.jpg

samurainoir

Aug 13, '11, 12:52 PM

http://www.nealadams.com/homegraphics/FirstWaveCover.jpg

http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/9/9/9973_400x600.jpg

The Toyroom

Aug 13, '11, 2:40 PM

^ See that last cover is the "modern" Adams and I'm just not digging it as much as the older stuff...

thunderbolt

Aug 13, '11, 4:31 PM

yeah, Robin looks like crazy old Robin from the Dark Knight Strikes Again.

jwyblejr

Aug 13, '11, 5:00 PM

No kidding. Look at the differences in his Hulks. I like the older style but the newer one looks like he's slobbering all over the place.

samurainoir

Aug 13, '11, 5:19 PM

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/336/neal_adams_poster_pencils.gif

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/336/neal_adams_poster_color.gif

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/336/neal_adams.gif

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/336/adams_avengers1.gif

samurainoir

Aug 13, '11, 5:21 PM

http://lsh.0catch.com/lsh/lshgroup.jpg

samurainoir

Aug 13, '11, 5:36 PM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/115660-56498-neal-adams_super.jpg

EMCE Hammer

Aug 13, '11, 7:37 PM

Ok - lots of great older stuff and some decent newer stuff........I still hate that picture. Maybe you experts can break it down and see the Adams' bones, but I can't. My analysis is overly simple - I either like it or I don't. I wouldn't think the one with Robin was Neal Adams either.

GaryPlaysWithDolls

Aug 13, '11, 9:07 PM

Not impressed.

johnmiic

Aug 13, '11, 11:49 PM

I was never an Adams fan to begin with. Nothing against him. His old art is brilliant. I think I have a copy of Ms. Mystic from PC comics. It's just he largely abandoned comics in the early 1980's. I think more highly of him for fighting DC to get compensation for the creators of Superman. If anyone tells me Neal Adams is on a new title my reaction is just: Big Whoop!

Random Axe

Aug 14, '11, 12:04 AM

As big of a fan as I am, I can't enjoy he new stuff nearly as much as his classic work. It's like your favorite musician/band from childhood ot teen years still making music. It's just not nearly the same even if there is still quality in the material. Some of the new pieces are very good, like Hawkeye and Daredevil. The rest is uninspiring.

thunderbolt

Aug 14, '11, 4:04 AM

you do realize the more that we criticize Adams' work, the more samurainoir posts.

david_b

Aug 14, '11, 7:26 AM

I never liked Adams on Avengers in the first place...

I picked up ish 93 about 20 years ago with the Kree War and his rendition never did anything for me. Love him on JLA, but Marvel titles..?? I skip 'em.

EMCE Hammer

Aug 14, '11, 11:23 AM

you do realize the more that we criticize Adams' work, the more samurainoir posts.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Ed usually backs up his points; I just don't agree w/this one. Got any more pics ED:smile:

johnmiic

Aug 14, '11, 12:53 PM

you do realize the more that we criticize Adams' work, the more samurainoir posts.

Nah, I think Ed has some form of comic book OCD anyway. Most of the threads in this forum alone are started by him. They should just let him be the Comics Mod.

samurainoir

Aug 14, '11, 3:08 PM

I don't think I've actually expressed much of an opinion in this thread, although I think it's obvious I like his old stuff. I actually am really indifferent to his new stuff and don't think it's up to par either.

I'm just posting different pics because it does make for interesting conversation to compare and contrast Adams now and then. If you guys want to stop chatting about it, makes no difference to me one way or another.

I'd never want to Mod. The stuff Steve, Scotts and Brian have to put up with! Oy vey. I can barely contain my own lunacy, let alone all of it that runs through these message boards.

thunderbolt

Aug 14, '11, 5:26 PM

^^^ I was kidding. :) The newer stuff is really weak and some of it downright weird compared to the older 70's stuff.

johnmiic

Aug 14, '11, 6:43 PM

^^^ I wasn't kidding.

emeraldknight47

Aug 14, '11, 7:09 PM

^^^ I was kidding. :) The newer stuff is really weak and some of it downright weird compared to the older 70's stuff.

His stuff on BATMAN: Odessey was just creepy wierd...!