Anybody watching the E3 coverage?

[Werewolf]

Microsoft was first. Wow, did that suck. Even more than I thought it would. It was actually so bad it was depressing.

Aside from Gears and the Halo remake it's nothing but Kinect shovelware this year. The absolute lowest point for me was Molyneux turning Fable into an on the rails shooter you control by flailing your hands around. That was a huge middle finger from MS and Molyneux to Fable fans and core gamers. What a kick in the crotch.

I bought the 360 to play games. Not rent movies, watch TV or play on the rails shovelware. At least there's still Halo and Gears.

Hopefully Sony's will be better. Gonna be hard to be worse.

[pmwasson]

I'm interested in what Nintendo has to say. The rumor is the 3DS store update goes in tonight.

[Werewolf]

Sony's conference was really good.

For starters thet showed you can do motion gaming and not have it be on the rails shovelware. Uncharted and Resistance look amazing. The biggest thing of course was the Vita. Amazing tech and power in that thing for $249 for the wifi and $299 for the 3G version. Kinda makes me regret spending $250 on the 3DS. There still isn't much in the way for games on that thing.

I'm hoping Nintendo will wow me with their new console.

[bizzaro megomauler]

Nintendo Press conference is a half hour away, i think they will easily crush the other presentations. when Nintendo starts losing money, (which they have the past 2 years) they usually come out swinging! A new system is always big news....:drool_y:

[kingdom warrior]

Microsoft was first. Wow, did that suck. Even more than I thought it would. It was actually so bad it was depressing.

Aside from Gears and the Halo remake it's nothing but Kinect shovelware this year. The absolute lowest point for me was Molyneux turning Fable into an on the rails shooter you control by flailing your hands around. That was a huge middle finger from MS and Molyneux to Fable fans and core gamers. What a kick in the crotch.

I bought the 360 to play games. Not rent movies, watch TV or play on the rails shovelware. At least there's still Halo and Gears.

Agree, My Son was losing it but i thought why the hell do I want to watch movies or tv through the Xbox i wanna play games....

My Daughter wants that Disney game that you go through the park she lost it when she saw it.....:smiley1:

[Werewolf]

Nintendo Press conference is a half hour away, i think they will easily crush the other presentations. when Nintendo starts losing money, (which they have the past 2 years) they usually come out swinging! A new system is always big news....:drool_y:

Nintendo's conference wasn't that great.

The 3DS has come closer to redeeming itself with a strong line up of first party games. Unfortunately many only have a vague late 2011 release date.

The WiiU disappointed me.

I was hoping for a true successor and we got an incremental upgrade to the Wii with a tablet for a gamepad. I know they are claiming they are aiming to be more inclusive to the traditional or core gamer with the WiiU. But they can't seem to grasp people are not going to want to control games like Call of Duty with a tablet. That's not going to be comfortable to hold and it's going to be really awkward to reach all the buttons and triggers. At least the sheer size of the thing by default will cut down on all the waggle and shaking.

We are also left with questions like what are the true specs? Does it have a hard drive? What's the price? How's the online? Graphically how does it really compare with the PS3 and 360? It's HD. But is it 720 or 1080?

[bizzaro megomauler]

Nintendo's conference wasn't that great.

The 3DS has come closer to redeeming itself with a strong line up of first party games. Unfortunately many only have a vague late 2011 release date.

The WiiU disappointed me.

We are also left with questions like what are the true specs? Does it have a hard drive? What's the price? How's the online? Graphically how does it really compare with the PS3 and 360? It's HD. But is it 720 or 1080?

I think the big N delivered! Wii U is adding something that has eluded games this generation... INNOVATION! that controller would kick butt on COD add in a drone now, or the RC on the screen and allow you to see if you are going to get tagged! The price and specs (or lack of) was a dissappointment, but there are pics and links at nintendo's website. It seems way more useful and less gimmicky. and in sweet HD!!!:cool_y:
I think 3ds needed strong software, and some of these titles make me want one.....

MS conference was all kinect and 3rd party stuff.....yawn.

[Werewolf]

"Innovation" is subjective. Forcing me to control games like, Zelda or Metroid Prime, with an Ipad tablet is an irritant to me, not innovation. Hopefully they will offer a new classic controller with rumble and true analog sticks. I want precision control. Not more gimmicks.

Nintendo doesn't have the trademark on innovation and there's been all kinds of game play, online and tech innovations this gen that didn't revolve around waggle. Nintendo still lags tremedously behind both Sony and MS in modern gaming innovations like online.

I'm a first gen Ninty fan from the NES days. I grew up with Nintendo games. I'm an early adopter of Nintendo products. But still I don't give them a free pass just because they are Nintendo. I praise and criticise them when they deserve it. Control gimmicks can be fun to a point but aren't the end all be all to me. Nintendo is increasingly annoying and frustrating me on their insistance of gimmicks as selling points of their games and underpowered systems.

Edit

I just read the WiiU will not have a hard drive or be able to use one. It will have some pre-installed flash memory and have the option to use memory sticks. I think shooter fans can forget downloading additional maps and levels. You can get a PS3 with a 320 gig hard drive and a 360 with a 250 gig. But the WiiU has internal flash memory and the option to use an SD card! Wheeee!!!!

[bizzaro megomauler]

I hate the fact that they went overboard with the wii controller, playing Rogue trooper on wii just made the game irritating, due to the overdone control scheme. I think Nintendo learned that many of us don't want to swing and flail our arms to play a game. That's what they meant by listening to us....

as for memory sticks, i prefer them to Hard Drive, they are more reliable, and also more readily availible.

[bizzaro megomauler]

hey nintendo just posted more info on Wii U, it CAN use a usb hard drive!

[Werewolf]

It was also revealed that the footage of 3rd party games shown were actually from 360 and ps3 games and the games shown may or may not even end up being developed for or released on the WiiU. Nintendo stocks also took a dive after the announcement of the WiiU. I guess I wasn't the only person disappointed.

I wanted Nintendo to come out swinging. I wanted to love the new console. I was hoping the rumored name of just calling it "Nintendo" was true. I was hoping they'd finally release a true hardware successor and return to their glory days of the NES and Super NES.

Instead we got another incremental upgrade, with another gimmick controller and another system with a stupid cringe worthy sounding name. Don't make the gimmick controller standard. Make it an option like the PS3 and 360 does. Pack the damn thing with a regular frickin controller with true dual analog sticks.

A year from now Nintendo will release a system which is roughly on par graphically with systems that came out 7 years before it. Too damn little. Too damn late. MS and Sony will obviously soon after follow suit with their new systems and Nintendo will be in the same position all over again. Stuck with antiquated hardware 3rd party developers wont touch.

I will always be a Nintendo fan. I love their Mario, Zelda and Metroid (except for the god awful Other M) games series. But their consoles will never be the main go to consoles again like during the NES and Super NES era. It will be the system you dust off every so often when the new Mario or Zelda games come out. Everything else will be played on either the MS or Sony consoles.

[bizzaro megomauler]

I can remember the last time I used my wii....when Punch Out came out! I hope they do well, they make the best first party titles.

[Werewolf]

Shigeru Miyamoto confirmed that the Wii U can only handle one tablet controller at a time. No Ipad controller for player 2.

E3 2011: Wii U Designed for One - Wii News at IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174821p1.html)

[MegoSteve]

I didn't watch the major presentations as they happened, but I found this year's E3 to be pretty darned boring. MS spent too much time on Kinect, which I couldn't really care less about. Sony was pretty decent (Uncharted 3 looks amazing), and their handheld looks good for the price, but I'm not interested in handheld gaming at all, so meh. Nintendo's kind of a joke at this point WiiU's controller is interesting, but it's also really gimmicky, and their insistence on keeping hard drives out is a little goofy when it seems like the game industry may be transitioning to an all-download model in the future.

I guess my issue is generally that we're pushing six years into this generation of consoles and it seems like it's about time for something entirely new instead of the incremental upgrades they've been presenting. WiiU just doesn't cut it.

[Werewolf]

MS spent too much time on Kinect, which I couldn't really care less about.

I am in totally agreement. Kinect is fine for the casual players and casual games. But don't spend damn near the whole bloody show on it. Kinect Sesame Street got more time than Halo.

That being said, the Sesame Street and Disney Parks games were fine. Four and five year olds need games too. But the Kinect "core" games were complete garbage. Ryse was a joke. Throwing gobs of blood at on the rails shovelware doesn't make something a core game. I am not going to headbutt the air to play a damn game. Absolutely asinine.

But by far Fable the Journey, again, was the biggest middle finger from MS. Making an action RPG an on the rails shooter you play by flailing your hands around is NOT a core game. I've read Molyneux is now trying to claim Journey is not on the rails after the abysmal reaction the game got. But who the hell is he kidding? When you can't directly control your character the damn thing is on rails. No analog sticks equals on the rails. Just be honest about it. But then Molyneux has styled himself as a bit of PT Barnum of gaming with his overpromsing and underdelivering.

MS needs to let go of their tired you are the controller mantra for the Kinect and actually incorporate the thing to be used along side the regular controller in a meaningful way. Calling out orders to your squad, like in Mass Effect 3, is a small step in the right direction. But you really could do the same thing with a headset.

[ODBJBG]

Wii U was the only interesting thing at E3. Looks like it could be fun. Can't wait to see how they implement it. Hopefully it can live up to the potential that it has. Nintendo has some great innovation and the Wii U's functionality definitely does hold an incredible amount of potential. However, as usual they may be a bit too ahead of the curve.

Everything else is a ZZzzzz... But that doesn't much surprise me. Sony's got nothing but their latest soon to be failed version of the PSP and Microsoft is still too busy trying to be the Wii, not realizing that was old news two years ago.

[The Bat]

Man, you guys are to funny. The only thing I use my PS3 for is a Bluray Player.:smiley1:

This was the single greatest moment for me at E3:

E3 2011 trailer: Halo CE returns to E3 just in time for its anniversary (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/e3-2011-trailer-halo-ce-returns-to-e3-just-in-time-for-its-anniversary/)

The BEST Campaign EVER, re-mastered with 2011 graphics, plus online Multi-player & Co-Op added! There truly IS A GOD!:beaming1:

[bizzaro megomauler]

Actually I love the Uncharted and Ratchet and clank games. other than that you are correct, Blu Ray Player. I loved Halo and all, but i have been bored by games as of late, I am a total Vidiot, and think we have been stuck in the FPS/Sandbox genere too long. was hoping for something new and innovative, and Wii U may be the ticket out....

[Werewolf]

The PS3 is a top level Blu-Ray player. But I bought it at launch to play games. I really like Sony's exclusive series like Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Killzone and Uncharted.

I'm also excited for Halo Anniversary. I bought the first XBOX so I could play Halo. But other than Halo and Gears there's nothing really to be excited about right now.

The WiiU is not doing it for me. Forcing me to play Mario and Zelda games with IPad is not innovative. It's down right ticking me off. Ninty really needs to stop trying to be Apple and drop the gimmicks.

[bizzaro megomauler]

oopps forgot resistance, which i actually like better than Halo!

[The Bat]

Games I'm planning on buying this Fall(Xbox):

Halo CE:Re-mastered
the next "Call of Duty"
Rocksmith(where you can plug your REAL Guitar into it and jam with your favorite Bands):music-smiley-006:

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

So; how accurate is this guy?:

The 6 Most Ominous Trends in Video Games | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-most-ominous-trends-in-video-games/)

Don C.

[Werewolf]

Motion controls and casual game apps will be the death of the hobby.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, motion controls are not innovative. The Atari 2600 had a motion controller. The NES had a bunch of them. Remember UForce and the Power Glove? What pieces of excrement those were. The N64 had the Tilt Pack. Microsoft released the Side Winder Freestyle pro for the PC in 1998. The PS2 had the Eye Toy and other third party gimmicks. And so on.

Motion controller never took off, before Nintendo opened the floodgates of casuals into the console market, because gamers knew motion controls suck. They are imprecise and annoying as hell. It's fine for casual games and allows the facebook crowd to flail their arms around to shovelware while thinking they are actually playing a game. But for traditional games, where you actually need precise control, it sucks and sucks hard.

The flood of cheap shovelwear apps being passed off as games on Apple phones is the other problem, Developers are going to move away from normal and big budget titles with lengthy development time if they can make a fast buck on the cheap with quickly made shovelware on Apple devices and smart phones.

And what happens when the casuals get bored and move on to the next trend? In the Wii's case console and software sales fell like a rock. The casuals moved on and the traditional or core gamer was alienated. Did Nintendo learn from this? No, they are going to release an incremental upgrade with a Ipad for a controller. Way to go after the core Ninty.

In my opinion the industry and the hobby is heading towards another crash. The casuals will move on to the next trend and the few remaining core gamers will be left behind to pick up the pieces. The industry needs to find a happy medium of going after and catering to those casual fad markets while not alienating and ignoring their core market. Because on the rails Star Wars and Fable games are not going to cut it. Throwing heaps of blood on rails games is not going to do it. Controlling Mario and Link with an Ipad is not going to do it.

[bizzaro megomauler]

it's not the controller, it's how you can add another dimension to the game with it. The game industry NEEDS another crash, i am tired of games for the first time in 30+ years of gaming!

[Werewolf]

it's not the controller, it's how you can add another dimension to the game with it. The game industry NEEDS another crash, i am tired of games for the first time in 30+ years of gaming!

You are obviously a huge Nintendo fan and I respect that. But we are going to have to agree to disagree on this.

In my opinion:

1 Motion controllers do not add another dimension.

It just severely limits the types of games you can play and cripples your control of them. I, honestly, don't hate motion controls as a rule and they are good enough for casual games and games you need very little actual control or input to play. In small amounts it can add some cute gimmicks. But waggle should NEVER replace real controllers as the main de facto controller for a game console. It should be an option if you want it. Not forced on you like Nintendo is doing.

2 I don't think the hobby can surive another crash and the industry needs to get its crap together so this doesn't happen. If/when is crashes it will never recover to the mainstream level it is now. Tripple A core titles will be a thing of the past. I, for one, am not looking forward to a hobby of nothing but cheaply made shovelware and crappy Iphone apps.

[bizzaro megomauler]

Nah, not a nintendo fanboy, by any means, I love all the systems, but have to say the wii has more dust on it than a 70's drug pusher. Technology excites me, i guess i have high hopes for anything that might bring a new dimension to gaming. Games just have me bored to tears lately. :yeah:

The system getting the most usage is the 360 by far. Just finished the latest Fable, and LA Noire. the latter of which i enjoyed more than anything as of late. I feel like I am stuck playing another sandbox game, or more FPS. I am an avid Black Ops guy too, but it's time for something to give, we need a new genere of games.

[Werewolf]

I love all the systems,

Same here. I love the hobby. :yes: