Stallone is as dumb as he looks! Blames decline of action films on Batman.

[johnmiic]

I have nothing but four letter words for this guy now:

Movie Talk: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-sylvester-stallone-blames-batman.html)

Excerpt:

"The action movies changed radically when it became possible to Velcro your muscles on," a clear dig at how the trim Keaton was encased in a sculpted Batsuit for the film. Stallone joked, "I wish I had thought of Velcro muscles myself... "I didn't have to go to the gym for all those years."

[The Bat]

Yup...he's a Bone-Head alright.:smiley1:

[jimsmegos]

Let's not forget the fact that he was busted for doing liposuction to improve that chiseled physique.

[LadyZod]

Remember what I said about body builders who can't act being forced out of hollywood thanks to special fx? Even then Italian Stallion agrees with me.

[Cmonster]

He's taking a lot of heat for this one, and rightly so. Busted for steroids, human growth hormone, etc... Lots of bad plastic surgery. Kinda hypocritical. He's 64 and looks great, but there's no need to make a comment like that. I'm guessing he's seeing the end of his career coming soon, and maybe feels that he doesn't need to play the politics anymore, and can basically say what he wants. Knowing him, this doesn't really seem to fit his character, especially given the ride he's had in this industry and the jillions of dollars he's made... I was a little surprised he came out with this, myself.

I'll see him at the premiere of Expendables, I'll ask him what's up and report back.

SC

[kennermike]

he has a point he's been in the business a real long time he has seen it all .telling it like it is good for him !

[Zemo]

What's wrong with stating the obvious?

[Sideshow Spock]

Yeah, reading the article, I have no idea why someone would get mad at it/him. Isn't it the truth?

The full article is here, btw:

COMIC-CON 2010: Stallone says 'Velcro muscles' made old-school stars expendable | Hero Complex | Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/07/comiccon-2010-expendables-stallone-willis-schwarzenegger.html)

[TCM Hitchhiker]

Sculpted muscles are the least of the problems with putting Batman in a rubber S&M suit and having him talk like Cookie Monster...

[ctc]

>Busted for steroids, human growth hormone, etc...

'Course how much of that is a case of bigorexia exacerbated by being a movie tough guy?

Don C.

[toys2cool]

he has a point he's been in the business a real long time he has seen it all .telling it like it is good for him !

Yeah i gotta agree, it kind of makes sense...think about it.Right before the 89 Batman it was all about Arnold,Stallone,Dolph, and Van Damme action movies, it was cool to go see these huge guys kicking ***,

plus let's not forget he got busted for HGH just a few years back when he was already old and roids or no roids you still have to work your butt off in the gym, just taking the stuff doesn't add muscle ;)

[huedell]

What the fudge is so bad about what he's saying? It's such a simple
statement about changing tides in the biz with no intent of malice
(Unlike "He's as dumb as he looks"). It's amazing what some will be insulted/aggravated by.

[sprytel]

Honestly, I think it had way more to do with "Die Hard" than super hero movies.

[wyldpny]

I would blame movies like "A Nightmare Before Christmas" and "Shrek" before blaming Batman LOL

[AAAAA]

parts i agree with , but sly did roids to get that body,and he's pised that Clint is getting Oscars , and all he gets are Raspberries,
Stay'in alive
Oscar
Rhinestone
tango & cash
Rocky V
stop or my mother will shoot
Judge dread
i can go on

[toys2cool]

parts i agree with , but sly did roids to get that body,and he's pised that Clint is getting Oscars , and all he gets are Raspberries,
Stay'in alive
Oscar
Rhinestone
tango & cash
Rocky V
stop or my mother will shoot
Judge dread
i can do on

yeah but that has nothing to do with it, most actors have crappy *** movies, he still has great ones like Rambo's,Rocky's,Over the top and I could on and on ;)

[kennermike]

yeah but that has nothing to do with it, most actors have crappy *** movies, he still has great ones like Rambo's,Rocky's,Over the top and I could on and on ;)

dont forget
NightHawks and Victory love them!

[BlackKnight]

When the 89' Batman Movie came out ...
It was like sorta at the End of The "Tough Guy" Action Movies, as we Knew them. Hollywood Just sorta went a Different Direction for the Most part .

JMO ..., But I sorta Agree with him in Parts ....

[bgrimm77]

I cant blast a man for speaking his mind. Regardless of whatever he might have done in the past to amass that Physique of his let's remember that he gave us First Blood , which in my opinion is one of my top 5 flicks of all time.

[megoat]

Take Rocky away from Stallone and he's Van Damme. Ok, maybe not that bad, but close. The guy has made way more lousy movies than good ones. Rocky was a special movie (the first one) and all the accolades Stallone received were well worth it. From then on it was downhill......

[Brazoo]

HA! That's an amazing and insane perspective - that I guess only HE could have. Personally I don't even think of "Batman" as an action movie.

I think the general trend in the 90s was moving away from big hair and big muscles. Wrestling and big hair rock were just less cool - and there are probably TONS of factors that play into why that happened.

I'm not even too sure if Stallone's career lull follows that trend. I think his taste and luck just got real crappy for a while.

[johnmiic]

Stallone is making excuses and I feel being a bit of a cry-baby here. Having real muscles and working out does not = acting ability. As film after film gets released people can tell when someone is a one-trick-pony. His talent is limited to certain types of roles and he has made bad choices in the films he has made. He was in Judge Dredd. That was his brush with a comic book icon. It didn't come out well or take off like he hoped but that's how it goes.

All era's come to an end. Can we blame the end of The Western era of film on the release of The French Connection in the 1970's? You can only do Rocky so many times. He had a chance to graduate to the big time when he did Copland but he squandered it. Take for example TV actor Tony Danza. He wound up playing a lawyer on The Practice to rave reviews. People only thought he could play Banta from TAXI. Could you ever see Stallone playing such a role?

Blaming Batman didn't work for William Shatner either. He stated that the release of Batman in 1989 was what killed Star Trek 5 's chances of being a blockbuster that summer. It was very obvious the film had numerous problems and was not as entertaining as other ST films.

Arnold, Stallone, and Van Damme are not good actors. In fact it's stretch to even call them actors. They are lucky to have had the careers they did with the few good films they made. Bottom line is: if you make good movies, people will pay to see them. Your success does not depend on your muscles-real or fake. That's why when I read this I concluded Stallone was as dumb as he looks.

[Mikey]

Arnold, Stallone, and Van Damme are not good actors. In fact it's stretch to even call them actors. They are lucky to have had the careers they did with the few good films they made. .

I agree and would also include Steven Seagal in that list.

[toys2cool]

yeah but say what you want about those actors but they still make decent movies worth watching and are kind of fun, is no one looking forward to Stallone's action flick coming out soon? I know I am :grin:

[toys2cool]

Take Rocky away from Stallone and he's Van Damme. Ok, maybe not that bad, but close. The guy has made way more lousy movies than good ones. Rocky was a special movie (the first one) and all the accolades Stallone received were well worth it. From then on it was downhill......

the first 3 Rambo's kicked *** and to me so did the first 4 Rocky's, part 4 being my fave :grin:

[kennermike]

well said

[Werewolf]

I agree and would also include Steven Seagal in that list.

Yeah, to refer to what Steven Seagal does as acting is being overly generous. Mostly he justs squints.

[Brazoo]

Stallone is making excuses and I feel being a bit of a cry-baby here. Having real muscles and working out does not = acting ability. As film after film gets released people can tell when someone is a one-trick-pony. His talent is limited to certain types of roles and he has made bad choices in the films he has made. He was in Judge Dredd. That was his brush with a comic book icon. It didn't come out well or take off like he hoped but that's how it goes.

All era's come to an end. Can we blame the end of The Western era of film on the release of The French Connection in the 1970's? You can only do Rocky so many times. He had a chance to graduate to the big time when he did Copland but he squandered it. Take for example TV actor Tony Danza. He wound up playing a lawyer on The Practice to rave reviews. People only thought he could play Banta from TAXI. Could you ever see Stallone playing such a role?

Blaming Batman didn't work for William Shatner either. He stated that the release of Batman in 1989 was what killed Star Trek 5 's chances of being a blockbuster that summer. It was very obvious the film had numerous problems and was not as entertaining as other ST films.

Arnold, Stallone, and Van Damme are not good actors. In fact it's stretch to even call them actors. They are lucky to have had the careers they did with the few good films they made. Bottom line is: if you make good movies, people will pay to see them. Your success does not depend on your muscles-real or fake. That's why when I read this I concluded Stallone was as dumb as he looks.

I totally agree with you. I'm not even sure how much of an impact "Batman" actually had on film overall - the marketing, sure - that's been copied many times - but the movie itself? Superhero movies didn't even take off at that time.

I will nit-pick with you a little about Schwarzenegger's and Stallone's acting abilities. They both have a film charisma that a lot of actors try to and can't achieve. In the correct roles they're very serviceable - they just don't have a lot of range. off the top of my head John Wayne is a good example of what I'm kind of comparing them too.

With Stallone specifically - I think his movies became more about style than substance. For example - director Martin Brest claims that when Stallone was involved in "Beverly Hills Cop" he was obsessed with changing Axle Folly's name to Cobra - because he thought a cop named Cobra would really be popular. He famously left "Beverly Hills Cop" for other projects, and a couple of years later he made "Cobra" which was one of his worst (and worst received movies). Big muscles, sunglasses, guns and a toothpick are not a character - so it doesn't matter how good the acting is at that point - to me anyway.

For the record I thought he was actually really great in "Rocky Balboa", and I thought "Rambo" was a pretty awesome action movie.

[Mikey]

Back in the 80's the studios would hire anything with muscles as their star

Anybody remember the Barbarian Brothers ? :smiley1:

[Meule]

I'll see him at the premiere of Expendables, I'll ask him what's up and report back.

SC

Make sure you wear your velcro muscles :wink_y: :smiley1:

[starsky]

more publicity for his movie!

[AAAAA]

Make sure you wear your velcro muscles :wink_y: :smiley1:
he can barrow these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M77JB0Bc3d0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SW7-8C8kL4&feature=related

[Zemo]

Comparing Tony Danza to Sly is like comparing a raisin to a grape.

[apes3978]

"First Blood" on it's own is all you need from that "franchise"... When they became known as "Rambo" films, they went down hill and went off into "live action cartoon" land...




the first 3 Rambo's kicked ***

[Hector]

yeah but that has nothing to do with it, most actors have crappy *** movies, he still has great ones like Rambo's,Rocky's,Over the top and I could on and on ;)

Over the Top is a great movie to you?

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

I'm sorry Damien...that's one horrible movie...starting with that bratty kid actor playing Stallone's son...

:yuk: :googly: :smiley1:

[Hector]

Comparing Tony Danza to Sly is like comparing a raisin to a grape.

That may be true...but I'll bet you my house to your Mustangs...that Danza would KTFO Stallone in a REAL fight...and rather easily at that... :wink_y:

Danza...real ex-boxer. Stallone...pretend boxer...

:yes: :grin:

[Zemo]

That may be true...but I'll bet you my house to your Mustangs...that Danza would KTFO Stallone in a REAL fight...and rather easily at that... :wink_y:

Danza...real ex-boxer. Stallone...pretend boxer...

:yes: :grin:

Danza has some skills, boxing that is. :smiley1:

[Hector]

Yeah i gotta agree, it kind of makes sense...think about it.Right before the 89 Batman it was all about Arnold,Stallone,Dolph, and Van Damme action movies, it was cool to go see these huge guys kicking ***,

plus let's not forget he got busted for HGH just a few years back when he was already old and roids or no roids you still have to work your butt off in the gym, just taking the stuff doesn't add muscle ;)

Huge guys?

Stallone and Van Damne are not exactly giants...chiseled yes...but they are rather on the small size.

Dolph is indeed huge.

Arnold, world class bodybuilder...but tiny compared to the new guys now.

:silly: :grin:

[Hector]

Danza has some skills, boxing that is. :smiley1:

:smiley1: :grin:

[Hector]

Check this out Zemo...Tony Danza back in the days before TAXI...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgAivyc3V4

He was a pure puncher...middleweight class...however...he was a face first fighter with little defense...he himself got KOd a couple of times before he turned to acting.

Danza was asked once in an interview, "isn't it true you sparred with Stallone and floored him once"? - he didn't want to answer it, he just looked down and grinned (I got this direct quote from one of the youtube comments, but this story is well known)...

:smiley13: :grin:

[MIB41]

Stallone has earned every dime he has ever gotten. It never came easy and he has constantly reinvented himself and taken risks throughout his career. Not an actor? Oh brother. He easily held his own in every scene against Robert Deniro in Copland. No one does that without skill for the craft. And just because the bulk of his films have been in the action genre' does not, in anyway, discount him. Many of those films are iconic and remain hugely popular to this day. And the critics here have seen most of them. :smiley1: Not only that but he has also written and directed most of the films he has been famous for. And to discount the guy for steroid use when you sit down and watch players get paid to compete in baseball and football and you never give it a second thought? Please! How is HE cheating? He's not stupid. He understood his physique was PRODUCT and he busted his arse to make it so. No plastic suits; no CGI; no body doubles. That's all him. And if he did use steroids to enhance his appearance, how exactly is that cheating in HIS profession? You think Arnold didn't? How many heart issues has the Terminator had? A couple at least. Stallone? Zilch. Does that mean he didn't? Of course not. But to discount this guy as if he is just another Stephen Seagal dunce is pure lunacy. Even the likes of Harrison Ford never would have been famous without Lucas and Spielberg. Stallone has only needed himself and he has been successful as an actor, director, writer for the past 35 years. All steroids huh? No skills huh? :googly: Let's see the big bad critics here pump some iron with steroids and duplicate Stallone's career and see how easy it comes to them. Would anyone even want to see you with your shirt off, let alone pay for it? :smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:

[Zemo]

Stallone has earned every dime he has ever gotten. It never came easy and he has constantly reinvented himself and taken risks throughout his career. Not an actor? Oh brother. He easily held his own in every scene against Robert Deniro in Copland. No one does that without skill for the craft. And just because the bulk of his films have been in the action genre' does not, in anyway, discount him. Many of those films are iconic and remain hugely popular to this day. And the critics here have seen most of them. :smiley1: Not only that but he has also written and directed most of the films he has been famous for. And to discount the guy for steroid use when you sit down and watch players get paid to play to compete in baseball and football and you never give it a second thought? Please! How is HE cheating? He's not stupid. He understood his physique was PRODUCT and he busted his arse to make it so. No plastic suits; no CGI; no body doubles. That's all him. And if he did use steroids to enhance his appearance, how exactly is that cheating in HIS profession? You think Arnold didn't? How many heart issues has the Terminator had? A couple at least. Stallone? Zilch. Does that mean he didn't? Of course not. But to discount this guy as if he is just another Stephen Seagal dunce is pure lunacy. Even the likes of Harrison Ford never would have been famous without Lucas and Spielberg. Stallone has only needed himself and he has been successful as an actor, director, writer for the past 35 years. All steroids huh? No skills huh? :googly: Let's see the big bad critics here pump some iron with steroids and duplicate Stallone's career and see how easy it comes to them. Would anyone even want to see you with your shirt off, let alone pay for it? :smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:

Thank for writing what I couldn't.:smile:

[Zemo]

Check this out Zemo...Tony Danza back in the days before TAXI...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgAivyc3V4

He was a pure puncher...middleweight class...however...he was a face first fighter with little defense...he himself got KOd a couple of times before he turned to acting.

Danza was asked once in an interview, "isn't it true you sparred with Stallone and floored him once"? - he didn't want to answer it, he just looked down and grinned (I got this direct quote from one of the youtube comments, but this story is well known)...

:smiley13: :grin:

That was cool.:yeah:

[BlackKnight]

What is Stallone ,... 64-ish ?

http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/stallone-gets-ripped-for-the-expendables.jpg


Pretty Damn Impressive at that Age, that could probably put Half of the 30yr Old American Population embarrassed to take thier shirt off . With or without Roids, He still busted his Arse to look so.

[toys2cool]

Back in the 80's the studios would hire anything with muscles as their star

Anybody remember the Barbarian Brothers ? :smiley1:

lol :smiley1:

[toys2cool]

Over the Top is a great movie to you?

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

I'm sorry Damien...that's one horrible movie...starting with that bratty kid actor playing Stallone's son...

:yuk: :googly: :smiley1:

I hated the kid but the movie was good, arm wrestling and Stallone!! come on man :grin:

[toys2cool]

Huge guys?

Stallone and Van Damne are not exactly giants...chiseled yes...but they are rather on the small size.

Dolph is indeed huge.

Arnold, world class bodybuilder...but tiny compared to the new guys now.

:silly: :grin:

Arnold still had the best body ever in body building, now it's become a joke,The biggest guy wins

Yes Van Damme was more ripped but Sly was pretty big(Rocky 4 for example)

[saildog]

In my opinion, Stallone's assessment is not necessarily wrong, but it isn't as simple as his statement, either.

I think the Action Genre, that he helped established, failed because its success became a presumption. Those movies got worse as time went on because they were just throwing out any old slop to capitalize on past success. It is a natural progression.

For every Stallone, there was a Van Damme and for every Van Damme there was some other actor reinventing themselves as an "Action Star". "First Blood" led to "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot", "Terminator" led to "Jingle All the Way", "Die Hard" led to "Hudson Hawk"....

See where I am going with this? It was as natural as being a victim of your own success and the law of diminished returns came into to play, as it has with any genre.

[toys2cool]

Stallone has earned every dime he has ever gotten. It never came easy and he has constantly reinvented himself and taken risks throughout his career. Not an actor? Oh brother. He easily held his own in every scene against Robert Deniro in Copland. No one does that without skill for the craft. And just because the bulk of his films have been in the action genre' does not, in anyway, discount him. Many of those films are iconic and remain hugely popular to this day. And the critics here have seen most of them. :smiley1: Not only that but he has also written and directed most of the films he has been famous for. And to discount the guy for steroid use when you sit down and watch players get paid to compete in baseball and football and you never give it a second thought? Please! How is HE cheating? He's not stupid. He understood his physique was PRODUCT and he busted his arse to make it so. No plastic suits; no CGI; no body doubles. That's all him. And if he did use steroids to enhance his appearance, how exactly is that cheating in HIS profession? You think Arnold didn't? How many heart issues has the Terminator had? A couple at least. Stallone? Zilch. Does that mean he didn't? Of course not. But to discount this guy as if he is just another Stephen Seagal dunce is pure lunacy. Even the likes of Harrison Ford never would have been famous without Lucas and Spielberg. Stallone has only needed himself and he has been successful as an actor, director, writer for the past 35 years. All steroids huh? No skills huh? :googly: Let's see the big bad critics here pump some iron with steroids and duplicate Stallone's career and see how easy it comes to them. Would anyone even want to see you with your shirt off, let alone pay for it? :smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:

awesome post! :grin:

[toys2cool]

What is Stallone ,... 64-ish ?

http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/stallone-gets-ripped-for-the-expendables.jpg


Pretty Damn Impressive at that Age, that could probably put Half of the 30yr Old American Population embarrassed to take thier shirt off . With or without Roids, He still busted his Arse to look so.

hell yeah! dam those tats look sweet

[Brazoo]

He's taking a lot of heat for this one, and rightly so. Busted for steroids, human growth hormone, etc... Lots of bad plastic surgery. Kinda hypocritical. He's 64 and looks great, but there's no need to make a comment like that. I'm guessing he's seeing the end of his career coming soon, and maybe feels that he doesn't need to play the politics anymore, and can basically say what he wants. Knowing him, this doesn't really seem to fit his character, especially given the ride he's had in this industry and the jillions of dollars he's made... I was a little surprised he came out with this, myself.

I'll see him at the premiere of Expendables, I'll ask him what's up and report back.

SC

Kooky opinions aside - I bet that's going to be one awesomely fun premiere!

[Hector]

hell yeah! dam those tats look sweet

Settle down brother...don't drool too much... :drool:

:smiley1: :grin: :biggrin:

[MIB41]

What is Stallone ,... 64-ish ?

http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/stallone-gets-ripped-for-the-expendables.jpg


Pretty Damn Impressive at that Age, that could probably put Half of the 30yr Old American Population embarrassed to take thier shirt off . With or without Roids, He still busted his Arse to look so.

Amen brother! AMEN!!

[kennermike]

Stallone has earned every dime he has ever gotten. It never came easy and he has constantly reinvented himself and taken risks throughout his career. Not an actor? Oh brother. He easily held his own in every scene against Robert Deniro in Copland. No one does that without skill for the craft. And just because the bulk of his films have been in the action genre' does not, in anyway, discount him. Many of those films are iconic and remain hugely popular to this day. And the critics here have seen most of them. :smiley1: Not only that but he has also written and directed most of the films he has been famous for. And to discount the guy for steroid use when you sit down and watch players get paid to compete in baseball and football and you never give it a second thought? Please! How is HE cheating? He's not stupid. He understood his physique was PRODUCT and he busted his arse to make it so. No plastic suits; no CGI; no body doubles. That's all him. And if he did use steroids to enhance his appearance, how exactly is that cheating in HIS profession? You think Arnold didn't? How many heart issues has the Terminator had? A couple at least. Stallone? Zilch. Does that mean he didn't? Of course not. But to discount this guy as if he is just another Stephen Seagal dunce is pure lunacy. Even the likes of Harrison Ford never would have been famous without Lucas and Spielberg. Stallone has only needed himself and he has been successful as an actor, director, writer for the past 35 years. All steroids huh? No skills huh? :googly: Let's see the big bad critics here pump some iron with steroids and duplicate Stallone's career and see how easy it comes to them. Would anyone even want to see you with your shirt off, let alone pay for it? :smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:
awesome post for all the Stallone Haters!

[Werewolf]

I don't think Steven Seagal has worked his butt off to look the way he does.

[Hector]

I don't think Steven Seagal has worked his butt off to look the way he does.

Yes he has...but in a different manner.

Seagal is a A 7th-dan black belt in aikido...that's a lifetime of dedication right there.

He's just not a bodybuilder...that's not his thing...never has been...never will be...that's all.

[Hector]

BTW...I'm not a Stallone hater...for anyone who's keeping count.

[Werewolf]

Yes he has...but in a different manner.


I was just teasing. Having a little fun with all the man crushing going on. :grin:

[saildog]

Yes he has...but in a different manner.

Seagal is a A 7th-dan black belt in aikido...that's a lifetime of dedication right there.

He's just not a bodybuilder...that's not his thing...never has been...never will be...that's all.

I kind of view Seagal and Chuck Norris in a similar manner. Crappy movies, crappy actors, but when either of them kicked arse on screen, I just knew they could back it up because...well, they could.

[Hector]

I was just teasing. Having a little fun with all the man crushing going on. :grin:

Why you...

:wall: :yuk: :7: :silly: :smiley1: :grin:

[Werewolf]

I kind of view Seagal and Chuck Norris in a similar manner. Crappy movies, crappy actors, but when either of them kicked arse on screen, I just knew they could back it up because...well, they could.

Hey now! Even I will man crush on Chuck Norris. Walker Texas Ranger was a hell of a show. :smiley1:

[Hector]

I kind of view Seagal and Chuck Norris in a similar manner. Crappy movies, crappy actors, but when either of them kicked arse on screen, I just knew they could back it up because...well, they could.

I'm hot and cold with Seagal...but I LOVE Chuck Norris...that's a bad mofo right there...

:yes: :grin:

[Werewolf]

but I LOVE Chuck Norris...that's a bad mofo right there...

:yes: :grin:

Preach it. Chuck Norris is awesome.

[Hector]

:yes: :yes: :yes:

:grin:

[saildog]

Well, I'm trying to be fair....but, I have a soft spot for Norris, as well. After all, he is from Oklahoma...but don't forget, while handsome, he is dangerous and when he kills you all, and he will, you know where they will find ground zero.:grin:

[Hector]

:smiley1: :grin: :yes: :biggrin:

[Meule]

Stallone has earned every dime he has ever gotten. It never came easy and he has constantly reinvented himself and taken risks throughout his career. Not an actor? Oh brother. He easily held his own in every scene against Robert Deniro in Copland. No one does that without skill for the craft. And just because the bulk of his films have been in the action genre' does not, in anyway, discount him. Many of those films are iconic and remain hugely popular to this day. And the critics here have seen most of them. :smiley1: Not only that but he has also written and directed most of the films he has been famous for. And to discount the guy for steroid use when you sit down and watch players get paid to compete in baseball and football and you never give it a second thought? Please! How is HE cheating? He's not stupid. He understood his physique was PRODUCT and he busted his arse to make it so. No plastic suits; no CGI; no body doubles. That's all him. And if he did use steroids to enhance his appearance, how exactly is that cheating in HIS profession? You think Arnold didn't? How many heart issues has the Terminator had? A couple at least. Stallone? Zilch. Does that mean he didn't? Of course not. But to discount this guy as if he is just another Stephen Seagal dunce is pure lunacy. Even the likes of Harrison Ford never would have been famous without Lucas and Spielberg. Stallone has only needed himself and he has been successful as an actor, director, writer for the past 35 years. All steroids huh? No skills huh? :googly: Let's see the big bad critics here pump some iron with steroids and duplicate Stallone's career and see how easy it comes to them. Would anyone even want to see you with your shirt off, let alone pay for it? :smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:
Bravo :applause: well said :yes:

[Meule]

I was just teasing. Having a little fun with all the man crushing going on. :grin:



Why you...

:wall: :yuk: :7: :silly: :smiley1: :grin:

Hector and Steven, sitting in a tree...
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[toys2cool]

Hector and Steven, sitting in a tree...
:smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:

lol :smiley1:

[Brazoo]

For every Stallone, there was a Van Damme and for every Van Damme there was some other actor reinventing themselves as an "Action Star". "First Blood" led to "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot", "Terminator" led to "Jingle All the Way", "Die Hard" led to "Hudson Hawk".....

Actually Stallone even started the wacko comedy flop trend of 80s action stars - remember Rhinestone?

To be fair - massive hits like "Kindergarten Cop" probably made "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot" sound great on paper.

[livnxxxl]

Hector and Steven, sitting in a tree...
:smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:

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