Star Trek movie spoiler

[Captain]

I'm assuming most of you have read about the plot rumored for the new Trek flick, and was wondering what your thoughts were?

I was ok with a refresh of the franchise, but not sure about the way they are doing it now?

For those of you who havent heard it I'll sum it up below--STOP READING NOW IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!

OK....I warned you.

A TNG era Romulan ship (Commander played by Russel Crowe apparently?) is sent back in time to alter the timeline by killing the most influential Starfleet commander and crew ever--Jimmy T and his peeps. (Which explains why they are casting for the series era crew even though the film is set before that time.)
TNG era Spock (who has a much bigger part in the flick than has been let on) finds out about this plot, and goes back in time to enlist the aid of his younger self(Zach Quinto) and possibly his former captain Chris Pike (Tom Cruise...I know...what the ??) to stop the attempt, and repair the damage to the time line.

In short, the new series of movies are going to take place in an alternate time line from the original series.

Yes, this free's up the new movies from existing continuity issues, but it seems to me its going to make things even more complicated over time!?

[huedell]

Is this really the plot? Or just a fake floating around out there?

The reason why I ask is because in many ways it seems tailor-made to freak out the
STAR TREK canon purists----even I find it a tad extreme and I'm not even more than a
casual fan

[thunderbolt]

Man, time travel stuff gives me headaches. That does sound a tad bit complex for the general movie going audience these days, it reads more like a fanboy fake. Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe??

[huedell]

Actually its a real simple idea---basically a redux of the FIRST CONTACT
plot with ROMULANS killing off KIRK and crew
--- instead of the BORG stopping "First contact" as it was the goal of the enemy in FIRST CONTACT

In fact--its so simple--- it was a Legion Of Doom plot on the SUPER FRIENDS

but

as I mentioned before it seems too custom made to spook Trek purists to
be a real plot

and (now that I think about it) would the Trek franchise really take a risk on
essentially reusing a plot they used in a movie a few years ago?

(well, I guess in some ways Trek IV was like this)

[Dave Mc]

It's hard to believe what you read about Trek ahead of time, they float out so much deception.

If this IS the real plot, guess I can take it, if it's the real cast, I have a serious issue. I'd rather see unknowns than Tom Cruise.

[Meule]

What's so hard about it? Kirk and crew already went back in time once to pick up a whale... same thing, different story.
But Tom Cruise bothers me tho, they couldn't get someone else? :wall:

[palitoy]

Ray Liotta should be Captain Pike, not Tom Cruise.

This could very well be a red herring though.

[Captain]

It is just a rumor so far...but it does make sense out of what Nimoy, Quinto, etc. have leaked out.
It would explain why the future Enterprise crew ( of the original series)would all be involved, and might explain why a retired Nimoy would come out of retirement...being the main thrust behind the story.

Tom cruise is buddies with JJ Ahbrams, hence his being tied into this. I heard the Cruise rumor before, but he himself said he hadnt heard anything, and with his recent dispute with Paramount, I just couldnt believe it....yet it persists.Abhrams himself has said he wanted Cuise in the flick too....?

Russel Crowe admitted during a press conference for 3:10 to Yuma that he had been offered a part, but hadnt read a script yet, and as such wouldnt commit one way or the other. At the same Conference, Bale apparently uttered the word "Klingon" under his breath, half joking....but the current rumor as reported is Romulans. I have also heard the Romulan Commander part was created based on Crowes performance in Gladiator....but who knows.

[ctc]

>and possibly his former captain Chris Pike (Tom Cruise...I know...what the ??)

Captain PIke, I thought you'd be... taller....

>A TNG era Romulan ship (Commander played by Russel Crowe apparently?) is sent back in time to alter the timeline by killing the most influential Starfleet commander and crew ever

.... in a drunken rage, with his bare hands....

>In short, the new series of movies are going to take place in an alternate time line from the original series.

Well, yeah... since that trick works so well for the big comic book companies....

>Yes, this free's up the new movies from existing continuity issues, but it seems to me its going to make things even more complicated over time!?

Nah; the constant revisions that each future producer insists on will do that.

*sigh*

Don C.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Ray Liotta should be Captain Pike, not Tom Cruise.

I was just about to post the same thing when I read your post Brian. I saw Cruise on TV the other night, and I mentioned to Cindy he was rumored to be playing Pike. Off the top of my head came Ray Liotta. He even LOOKS like Jeffery Hunter.

If this plot is real, I don't see why it would necessarily set up an alternate timeline. If TNG Spock and Co. are successful, things should go back to normal for Kirk and crew.

Chris

[The Bat]

If this plot is real, I don't see why it would necessarily set up an alternate timeline. If TNG Spock and Co. are successful, things should go back to normal for Kirk and crew.

Chris


Because they want to make more than one Movie. By changing the Timeline...it does free Them up from continuity. Honestly...I think the Idea is inspired.

Cruise....NOOOOOOOOO! Ray Liotta would be PERFECT! But...He's getting old. And did someone mention Russell Crowe....hmmmm, seems to Me He'd make a great Cpt.Pike as well.:wink:

[batmanmc]

tom cruise wht the ? i cant stand that guy. he may be enough to keep me way from the movie.

[toys2cool]

I was just about to post the same thing when I read your post Brian. I saw Cruise on TV the other night, and I mentioned to Cindy he was rumored to be playing Pike. Off the top of my head came Ray Liotta. He even LOOKS like Jeffery Hunter.

If this plot is real, I don't see why it would necessarily set up an alternate timeline. If TNG Spock and Co. are successful, things should go back to normal for Kirk and crew.

Chris
Hey you're right Liotta does look like Pike,But I like Cruise..I know he's a nut now but I still like him and Crowe in this movie will be aweosme :grin:

[number 6]

...I think the Idea is inspired.

Really? I mean, isn't this basically the plot line for all of the Terminator movies? And First Contact? And an episode of the Super Friends?

[Blackkryptonite]

Sorry folks, I've been a huge trek fan since about the age of... 2 AND i hate this idea and I hope it's not true:( I considered the last trek movie the last chance to do well on the big screen (at least for a while) and it didn't go over well. if they gimp this one up with some dumb time travel thing it's going to be years before anyone will touch the franchise again. it really sounds like they are trying to revive the franchise with big Hollywood names rather than tight writing and directing skills. I would just as soon see a group of nobodies being lead by a great director and a good script.

[The Bat]

Really? I mean, isn't this basically the plot line for all of the Terminator movies? And First Contact? And an episode of the Super Friends?


No...in Terminator(and First Contact)...History was put right! But that isn't going to happen with this Star Trek Movie. They're going to create an Alternate Star Trek Universe(Timeline)...thus solving many of the Continuity Issue's that would drive Fan's Mad! Such as: Spock is now going to meet Kirk...Year's before He actually did.

I know this will also, upset a lot of Fan's...but will solve ALL the continuity Problem's.

[mego73]

I don't know about the authenticity of this information. For one thing, Tom Cruise and Paramount broke thier relationship some time ago.

[number 6]

No...in Terminator(and First Contact)...History was put right! But that isn't going to happen with this Star Trek Movie. They're going to create an Alternate Star Trek Universe(Timeline)...thus solving many of the Continuity Issue's that would drive Fan's Mad! Such as: Spock is now going to meet Kirk...Year's before He actually did.

I know this will also, upset a lot of Fan's...but will solve ALL the continuity Problem's.

Sorry, I misunderstood what your "inspired idea" comment was refering to.

I have to admit, I'm not crazy about this idea though. Not that I'm a huge continuity buff, I just think the time-travel thing is kinda played out.

[Captain]

The Tom Cruise thing threw me to. On the other hand JJ did MI3, and he is apparently good friends with Cruise.

I should also note, I found this storyline spoiler on AICN, who arent known for their accuracy sometimes. I usually wait until I hear it confirmed on a more credible site like Dark Horizons, but I thought it an interesting enough rumor, that I posted it here to see what kind of reaction it gets. I thought it was a little goofy myself, but the more you look at it, and the established facts of the film....well, the more plausible this rumor becomes.

[megomaniac]

I am really starting to HATE time travel episodes and movies. Talk about overused....

[The Bat]

Looks like Eric Banna is going to play the Romulan Baddie(Nero)...Russell Crowe turned it down.

[palitoy]

Well thank heaven it's still an Australian playing him! I don't get it, the Enterprise crew had almost never seen a Romulan before TOS, how does this work?

[The Bat]

Well thank heaven it's still an Australian playing him! I don't get it, the Enterprise crew had almost never seen a Romulan before TOS, how does this work?


Nero is traveling back in time to kill Kirk(because the Romulan's see Earth, as a large part of thier problem's...and who has saved Earth more times then Captain Kirk). This Storyline is picking up from the Next Generation, "Reunification Episode"...where Spock is still on Romulus. Spock learns of this plot...and travels back in time to warn His younger Self.

[AAAAA]

I can see it now for 2 hours, Russell Crow beats up everybody in the tranporter room and throws a tricorder at Uhura.And Cruise Jumps up and down on the Captain's Chair.

[Captain]

I can see it now for 2 hours, Russell Crow beats up everybody in the tranporter room and throws a tricorder at Uhura.And Cruise Jumps up and down on the Captain's Chair.

Ya know.....I think I would pay to see that!:smiley1:
---Especially if a insanely angry and jealous Shatner bursts in mid scene and beats the crap out of "young Kirk"!


Seriously though, it looks like this rumored story line is the real deal, as all of the recent rumors and casting decisions support it. The only real question in my mind yet is "will the new movie still tie into continuity, or use this as a jumping off point for a reworking?" I mean, its still possible, being time travel, that all the damage can be repaired to the established time line by films end, ala Superman, and multiple Trek episodes. Maybe the team of Spocks are the only ones who really know whats going on, and the only ones to confront the Romulans?(...Nimoy et al have said this is predominantly a Spock movie)