Baggies, the facts!

[clemso]

After the recent SI Baggie thread, what are the baggie facts and opinions.
Are Mad Monster baggies the same as American West, what other baggies are the same?
Does anyone really even care if its just a clear bag?
Provenance? Honestly how can you even prove the bag is really the bag, if you know what i mean.

[Orlock]

I know this whole discussion over this had me going "ehhhh..." and feeling a tad bit uncomfortable when the "switched baggies" gauntlet was thrown down. I always thought it was more along the lines of honesty is the best policy and not misrepresenting something. That's the only way to tell on some things what came from where is totally and completely relying on someone else's prior knowledge of an item. Dishonesty being thrown into that kind of sullies the experience...you know?

It may honestly not matter one way or another, if they are truly 100% identical, but still, it just doesn't feel right to me.

[LonnieFisher]

When you're talking original there is a world of difference. ORIGINAL is not something that has been switched.

"Not derived from something else" is the definition that applies here.

[warlock664]

IMO, the important thing is disclosure. While I wouldn't personally be that bugged knowing my SI baggies came from Action Jackson outfits instead of SI sets, I'd certainly want to know if a switch had been made. If I found out later that they had been switched without that fact being revealed, I'd feel uncomfortable about the authenticity of the sets as well, though of course those are much harder to fake.
Hmmm, if all those white AJ cleats were free of holes (from being stitched to backing cards), how many footwear switches would have been made for Peter Parker without disclosure ?

[megozilla13]

for mailer box figures I've seen two different types of plastic material used for the baggies. One is real crinkley and the other is softer. I recently bought a set of bagged woz figures and one had a baggie that opened from the side, not the top. I thought that was unusual.

Provenence....... your right. I know I didn't switch the bags, but how do I know the original owner, didn't also have the Big Jim Mego outfits and switched the bags. Or better yet, how do I know that back in Hong Kong the box of baggies intended to be used for the SI's was somehow misplaced and the factory worker responsible for bagging the SI's didn't walk over to the guy bagging the Mego Big Jim outfits and grabbed a couple from him.


mikej

[TCM Hitchhiker]

You know, after reading all of this, I get the impression that the bags with writing were never really intended for any of the SI figures, but that they either ran out of plain bags, or just grabbed a wrong/random box, and a bunch of SI suits got the bags with writing.

Two things lead me to believe this. One that not all of the SI bags have writing, and two, the whole "powder" thing makes more sense with the Big Jim figures and their rubber arms.

[LonnieFisher]

The powder suggestion was for the two outfits with two sets of long sleeves. Peter had one shirt and no jacket. Dick had a sleeveless turtleneck and overcoat. No need for them to have the powder suggestion. The powder was for the layers of cloth to slide better against each other I think. That's how they packaged them.

[TCM Hitchhiker]

But the rubber makes more sense. I have seen other vintage action figures come with "powder" instructions for boots to fit over rubber feet. In fact, I think the 12" Star Wars are one example of this. I however have never seen this suggested for clothing over clothing.

Just a theory is all.

[Orlock]

But the rubber makes more sense. I have seen other vintage action figures come with "powder" instructions for boots to fit over rubber feet. In fact, I think the 12" Star Wars are one example of this. I however have never seen this suggested for clothing over clothing.

Just a theory is all.
Same here. It's an issue of cloth over rubber that makes it difficult, not cloth over cloth. Cloth over rubber is a pain directly in my pants.

[txteach]

This makes me glad i don't care about baggies one way or the other.:yes:

[RussG]

This makes me glad i don't care about baggies one way or the other.:yes:

no doubt. :biggrin:

[LonnieFisher]

The baggie is part of the package so that's why some care. Boxed with original bag is more desirable than boxed no bag for the SI outfits. Without it, it isn't complete.

[kryptosmaster]

Hmmm, if all those white AJ cleats were free of holes (from being stitched to backing cards), how many footwear switches would have been made for Peter Parker without disclosure ?

If the AJ sneakers had been bagged instead of stitched to a card they would still be Mego and would still be perfectly acceptable for a PP figure. There would be absolutely no way to tell which set from the bin of sneakers went into an AJ bag or a PP outfit bag. Are you going to tell me that a pair of brown shoes from a Walton is inferior to a pair that was originally placed onto the Joker's feet?
Rich

[warlock664]

If the AJ sneakers had been bagged instead of stitched to a card they would still be Mego and would still be perfectly acceptable for a PP figure. There would be absolutely no way to tell which set from the bin of sneakers went into an AJ bag or a PP outfit bag. Are you going to tell me that a pair of brown shoes from a Walton is inferior to a pair that was originally placed onto the Joker's feet?
Rich

Umm, I'm not saying it wouldn't be acceptable (at least to me). If you read my entire post, I don't have a problem with baggies being switched, if they're all identical, I'd just want to know if that were the case. I wouldn't care about the shoes, if they were both original Mego. I only mention the PP shoe scenario because I imagine Lonnie would have a problem with those being switched, even if the AJ shoes had been the same as the PP shoes (i.e. no holes). I mean, if the baggies, which aren't even a functional part of the outfit, are such a concern, wouldn't the shoes, which are, cause more aggravation? Again, it wouldn't bother me . His point of view is that everything needs to be original to the Alter Ego set, an identical replacement from another Mego set isn't the same, in his eyes, because it wasn't shipped that way.

[kryptosmaster]

^^^^Perhaps I did read it too fast. I thought that was you saying that about the shoes. Yeah Lonnie you need to chill sometimes. You seem like a really passionate Mego dude but sometimes you gotta draw the line or you'll end up like the Jack Nicholson character in "As Good As It Gets".
If it's indistinguishable from any other Mego part then it doesn't matter where it came from. Just because it doesn't have the same 1974 air & dust from a SI pair of pants on it doesn't make the value any less. In fact, if the bag holds any value at all then an identical bag in "BETTER" condition should actually "RAISE" the value! Parts is parts (to quote a famous old commercial :silly: ) as long as the part is identical. that's why you have people swapping out bodies with common figures to make their more valuable figures better.
Rich

[LonnieFisher]

Why do people want to force their opinion on me? I just can't see switching as honest if something is sold as "original". Why is it so hard to understand "original"? If money looks the same and isn't original, it is counterfeit. If something is switched it isn't original. Do you understand yet? How many times should I have to explain the concept of "original"?

[saucerful]

I like original MEGO elastic inside my T0 and T1 bodies. Let the tomatoes fly!

[kryptosmaster]

I like original MEGO elastic inside my T0 and T1 bodies. Let the tomatoes fly!

I defy you to tell the difference.
I can find the exact same elastic and restring a Mego and you'd never know.
I understand some people are overly anal about minute details but there's a point where you become ridiculous.
If a genuine vintage Mego part is used to replace a missing or damaged original Mego part and it is the EXACT same part that came from the EXACT same factory and EXACT same batch of parts then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's not like they have serial numbers. Just because one of those parts ended up in a Wizard of Oz box instead of a WGSH box means nothing. They are the SAME.
By your (Lonnie) logic then, an SI that is pieced together from loose parts (pants from one original SI set, shirt from another, etc) is worth less than one that happened to luckily stay together from Day 1. That's silliness.
Rich

[saucerful]

Dude, Rich, it's not silliness, it's just not what you care about.

Can we just liken this conversation to trying to determine whether or not a high heeled foot fetish is silly? Yeah. To each his own.

*Tomatoes and Japanese eggplants are flying*

[Sandman9580]

It may honestly not matter one way or another, if they are truly 100% identical, but still, it just doesn't feel right to me.



If it's indistinguishable from any other Mego part then it doesn't matter where it came from. ... as long as the part is identical. that's why you have people swapping out bodies with common figures to make their more valuable figures better.
Rich


If something is switched it isn't original. Do you understand yet? How many times should I have to explain the concept of "original"?


By your (Lonnie) logic then, an SI that is pieced together from loose parts (pants from one original SI set, shirt from another, etc) is worth less than one that happened to luckily stay together from Day 1. That's silliness.
Rich

By way of analogy, maybe it's possible to take a page from Star Wars collectors. If a Star Wars figure that came out in 1977 is re-released on a later ROTJ or POTF card, and is opened, and the card is thrown away, there's no meaningful way to determine which movie the figure (or his accessories) came out with. So that "drags" the value of a 1977 loose figure down to the level of a 1985 loose figure, the two values find equilibrium, and all loose figures end up being worth the same, pending condition.

Now, if I find a loose, complete figure that is included with a ripped-open 1977 card, and I know the dealer to be honest, and he assures me that that figure really did go with that card, whether I believe him or not... it doesn't matter. Once the card is opened, the figures are worth the same as other figures in the same condition. This is the reason why unopened figures are worth more.

[megozilla13]

I think a better analogy would be..... If you had a mint zorro and completed him with a blackbeard sword (which is the same) and wanted to sell it, would you call it not original. According to Lonnie's definition, its not. Or how about a broken thumb on a figure, if you replace the hand, do you mention it when selling it? Do you call it, not original?

And TCM Hitchhiker..... I think you may be right about the baggies being meant for the Big Jim figures with the rubber arms. It makes sense.

[megoapesnut]

for mailer box figures I've seen two different types of plastic material used for the baggies. One is real crinkley and the other is softer.

That is interesting as I ran across the same thing with my boxed CIPSA POTA figures. The accessories and clothing for the Urko figure is sealed in a crinkly baggie and the stuff for the Ursus figure is sealed in a softer baggie. All of my Mego POTA mailer figures are in the crinkly type baggie.

And another interesting thing is that I recently purchased a POTA soldier figure from someone and it was sent in a small box with packing peanuts, but the figure was in a plastic bag to protect it and I just happened to have it laying next to my mailer box figures one day and realized that the baggie is almost identical. I asked the seller and he said that it wasn't from a mailer figure. He is not sure where it came from, but he never owned any mailer figures so we are pretty sure it's not from a mailer. But you would be hard pressed to know that it wasn't if you had them side by side, as I did.

[LonnieFisher]

By your (Lonnie) logic then, an SI that is pieced together from loose parts (pants from one original SI set, shirt from another, etc) is worth less than one that happened to luckily stay together from Day 1. That's silliness.
Rich

Your example of MY logic is false, so please speak for yourself and not me. I in no way implied this. Original SI is original SI. Duh! Just like I was saying...Your point of my view is a worthless opinion.

[LonnieFisher]

I defy you to tell the difference.
I can find the exact same elastic and restring a Mego and you'd never know.
I understand some people are overly anal about minute details but there's a point where you become ridiculous.
If a genuine vintage Mego part is used to replace a missing or damaged original Mego part and it is the EXACT same part that came from the EXACT same factory and EXACT same batch of parts then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's not like they have serial numbers. Just because one of those parts ended up in a Wizard of Oz box instead of a WGSH box means nothing. They are the SAME.
By your (Lonnie) logic then, an SI that is pieced together from loose parts (pants from one original SI set, shirt from another, etc) is worth less than one that happened to luckily stay together from Day 1. That's silliness.
Rich

I could tell re-strung figures. And I'm pretty sure Bryan could too. You can't find the EXACT elastic. It might be close, but not exact.

[Sandman9580]

I think a better analogy would be..... If you had a mint zorro and completed him with a blackbeard sword (which is the same) and wanted to sell it, would you call it not original.

If Mego gave Blackbeard's sword to Zorro, then so can we.

That's the short answer. The long answer is, while I wouldn't refer to it as "not original," I would mention now that the sword was donated by a different figure. Why? Because here it's good etiquette. Some people who collect Megos (obviously) seem to care about this, and you have to make concessions to the community you're selling to. Whereas with vintage Star Wars, even if I mentioned it, no one's really going to care.

Also, I would not expect "disclosures" like this to negatively affect the sale price (it's not repro items we're talking about), and I think price is the sensitive issue here; in this case, we're talking about $4,400, not $40. So that intensifies everything. And with honest sellers, the more rare and expensive the figure, the greater "moral pressure" there is to disclose any little thing that could possibly be perceived to be "wrong" with it.

So I empathize with Lonnie. But I stand by what I said: Star Wars or GI Joe, vintage Barbie or vintage Mego, it shouldn't affect the perceived value because the "rational market" does this for us, and it doesn't like to deal in unknowns. This accessory may have come with this figure, it may not have--I might be lying, I might not be. The collective market has little tolerance for this kind of uncertainty, so it equalizes the value of loose items across the board. And if one is as valuable as the other, we're going to make everyone crazy if we start insisting it be otherwise.

[megozilla13]

Your example of MY logic is false, so please speak for yourself and not me. I in no way implied this. Original SI is original SI. Duh! Just like I was saying...Your point of my view is a worthless opinion.

My example is based on exactly what you wrote.....


ORIGINAL is not something that has not been switched. " Not derived from something else"is the definition that applies here.

thus a Zorro with a sword derived from a Blackbeard figure is NOT original according to you. If thats not what you meant, then you should explain yourself better.


mikej

[MegoNutt]

thus a Zorro with a sword derived from a Blackbeard figure is NOT original according to you.

mikej

I've gotta agree here. In the strictest sense, if that particular sword did not originally come with that particular Zorro, it is not original. Original Mego yes, but not original Zorro. In the strictest sense, it doesn't matter if everything was made at the same time, in the same factory, and both Zorro and Blackbeard were packed with the same sword. If Zorro doesn't have THE sword that he was originally packed with at the factory and stuffed in his little Zorro box, he is not original. Original Mego yes, not original Zorro.

[LonnieFisher]

I've gotta agree here. In the strictest sense, if that particular sword did not originally come with that particular Zorro, it is not original. Original Mego yes, but not original Zorro. In the strictest sense, it doesn't matter if everything was made at the same time, in the same factory, and both Zorro and Blackbeard were packed with the same sword. If Zorro doesn't have THE sword that he was originally packed with at the factory and stuffed in his little Zorro box, he is not original. Original Mego yes, not original Zorro.

I agree...

[beartex2000]

This is a very interesting tread! It seems we are trying to apply MIB or MOC expectations to a loose figure. Once the cat is out of the bag..or in this case the Peter is out of his baggie, how can one know he is 100 mint unless you are buying him from the original owner?

[megoapesnut]

This is a very interesting tread! It seems we are trying to apply MIB or MOC expectations to a loose figure. Once the cat is out of the bag..or in this case the Peter is out of his baggie, how can one know he is 100 mint unless you are buying him from the original owner?

And even then you would not know for sure as the owner could be misleading you that

1) It is complete with THE stuff that came off the card/ out of the box or...

2) that he is even the original owner.

We could go round and round on this forever. The bottom line is that you, as an owner of any given figure, have to be happy with what you have because, unless it is SEALED on a card or in a box, you will NEVER know for sure! And the value of it is whatever it is worth to you!!

[megozilla13]

If the switches improve the figure, I'm all for it. I rather have a mint green arrow with a mint unbroken quiver that came from another green arrow, than a green arrow with his "original" broken quiver. And even if the switch was disclosed, I would never consider it NOT original. Would anyone value the broken one more because it was originally packed with the figure?

mikej

[saucerful]

^^^I agree with you that I would prefer the mint and unbroken parts from another original source.

[dumbldor]

Nothing against those that are in disagreement, but I do 100% agree with Mike J. A Blackbeard sword is a Zorro sword, and vice versa. As long as it is original, they are indistinguishable. Once they are no longer MIB or MOC, does it really matter if a like for like change or donation of an ORIGINAL factory part is made?

I also like the example of the broken GA bow. A GA bow is a GA bow, and a Robin Hood bow is also a GA bow, and vice versa, once they are loose from the package. How could you possibly know for sure which original figure it came from? And I am always for an upgrade, even if it comes from another original Mego figure. I don't get the counter argument at all, but to each his own.

[ctc]

>unless it is SEALED on a card or in a box, you will NEVER know for sure!

Yeah. I think you're starting to get into stuff that's indistinguishable. A Blackbeard sword and a Zorro sword may come from different figures, but they're exactly the same composition-wise. Unless you were gifted with the paranormal power of psychometry you'd never know. 'Course, I guess that's partly why MIB figures go for more.

Don C.

[kryptosmaster]

Your example of MY logic is false, so please speak for yourself and not me. I in no way implied this. Original SI is original SI. Duh! Just like I was saying...Your point of my view is a worthless opinion.

Books NOT on Lonnie's shelf: :smiley1:
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Oh, and before you flip out; I'm just messing with you. I actually agree with a lot of what you say (silently) but you have this way of saying things that seems to get you on some people's nerves. :wink:



I could tell re-strung figures. And I'm pretty sure Bryan could too. You can't find the EXACT elastic. It might be close, but not exact.

:smiley1:
If you're that anal that you'd take apart a figure and get a magnifying glass out to check the elastic then you have other more pressing things to worry about.


My example is based on exactly what you wrote.....


thus a Zorro with a sword derived from a Blackbeard figure is NOT original according to you. If thats not what you meant, then you should explain yourself better.


mikej

Yep.


I've gotta agree here. In the strictest sense, if that particular sword did not originally come with that particular Zorro, it is not original. Original Mego yes, but not original Zorro. In the strictest sense, it doesn't matter if everything was made at the same time, in the same factory, and both Zorro and Blackbeard were packed with the same sword. If Zorro doesn't have THE sword that he was originally packed with at the factory and stuffed in his little Zorro box, he is not original. Original Mego yes, not original Zorro.

You have every right to feel that way but it's flawed logic. If something that petty bothers you then you shouldn't buy loose figures.



If the switches improve the figure, I'm all for it. I rather have a mint green arrow with a mint unbroken quiver that came from another green arrow, than a green arrow with his "original" broken quiver. And even if the switch was disclosed, I would never consider it NOT original. Would anyone value the broken one more because it was originally packed with the figure?

mikej

Thank you.
I actually have one comment on this though. If the broken bow (for example) was my ORIGINAL bow from my childhood then I would keep it with that figure just because it has more SENTIMENTAL value to me. Of course I would never sell it so it doesn't really pertain directly to the discussion at hand.



I don't get the counter argument at all, but to each his own.

I actually do understand it. It's called OCD and I have a couple of friends who have it BAD. One can't function if even ONE small part of his daily routine gets derailed and the other led to her husband divorcing her because he couldn't take it anymore.

Rich

[saucerful]

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[kryptosmaster]

Rich, if this book isn't on your shelf, then I highly recommend it:
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I looked up the synopsis on Wiki. Doesn't interest me but thanks for the recommend.
Rich

[clemso]

On the Zorro sword, I don't mind if I knew it was an original Blackbeard, if they are identical factory made original vintage Mego parts that is fine by me. The exceptions might be the example given of the Parker Shoes where they have been replaced with AJ ones with pin holes. I wouldn't get all anal about it but, if you can tell, then there lies the problem.

[dumbldor]

I thought I was the most OCD person here. :googly:

Someone wrote that if the legacy of all the parts means that much to someone, then collect packaged figures, not loose. I think there is a lot of validity to that thought. Of course, there are a whole host of other issues with collecting MOC or MIB.

[palitoy]

I'm now holding auditions for "Baggies: The Musical", I'll be playing Mike J.

[saucerful]

I'd like to audition for the part of "old and crusty tape adhesive residue"

[clemso]

I'm now holding auditions for "Baggies: The Musical", I'll be playing Mike J.

Who wants to play Polythene Pam :smiley1:

[EMCE Hammer]

Don't lump restringing a T1 figure in with this argument - it's an entirely different concept. I know plenty of discriminating collectors who prefer that their T1s have original elastic. The process of taking a pile of T1 parts and restringing them with similar cord available from Joann's is a *repair.* Nothing OCD about it, and apples and oranges as far as this debate goes.

Personally, I don't care if my Superman has Cap boots, or if my Romulan has a Klingon phaser.

[clemso]

Dear Ocd'ers, Price sticker or no price sticker?

[vulcan2074]

Dear Ocd'ers, Price sticker or no price sticker?

I dig price stickers as long as there not hideous :beaming1:
Sammy

[dumbldor]

Dear Ocd'ers, Price sticker or no price sticker?

Not a deal killer, but no sticker is very much preferred, especially on more common items.

[megoapesnut]

I'm now holding auditions for "Baggies: The Musical", I'll be playing Mike J.

:smiley1::smiley1::smiley1::smiley1::smiley1:

[megoapesnut]

That's the second time today I have burst out laughing at work and everyone wanted to know what I was laughing at!

[megoapesnut]

I'll play Bennie the Box and I don't like price stickers when they are on the face of something, especially carded figures, but I do not mind them when they are on side panels of boxed stuff. It's kinda cool and depressing at the same time when you get to see what the stuff sold for. However, like Dan, I would prefer no sticker, but beggars can't be choosers as in my case with some of the stuff I gun for.

There, I think all covered all of the current thread topics

Oh, yeah. Restringing - don't have an opinion yet on that.

[EMCE Hammer]

No stickers preferred, but not a deal breaker on a nice item.

[TCM Hitchhiker]

Price tags? Other than those giant florescent Two Guys and Lionel clearance tags, I dig them! Mego Talk (http://megomuseum.com/community/showthread.php?t=38849)

[palitoy]

I prefer a price sticker, if it's an old haunt? I'll pay more.

[clemso]

How about a replace window box cello? or those cello head bands?

[DCSTING]

Price sticker fan myself....I have boxed and carded Mego's that I will not sell BECAUSE of the price sticker....for some reason I am a BIG sucker for K-Mart stickers.

[vulcan2074]

How about a replace window box cello? or those cello head bands?

I personally wouldn't make that change to the box. As far as the cello band I would just go with out :beaming1:
Sammy

[TCM Hitchhiker]

How about a replace window box cello? or those cello head bands?

Though I prefer original head bands, if they are missing, or repro, it doesn't bother me too much.

A replaced cello is a no-no in my collection. However, if it were a really hard to find and/or pricey piece, and I were getting it for a hell of a deal, I could deal with it, though it would always bother me a little until the piece was upgraded.

[dumbldor]

How about a replace window box cello? or those cello head bands?

:no: :yuk:

[megoapesnut]

Yes, I am in agreement with everyone. That would be a deal breaker for me. I'd probably rather have none on the box than a replacement. It would certainly have to be a very hard to find piece for me to even consider purchasing, I would rather wait and find one that has nice original cello.

[LonnieFisher]

What if you couldn't tell the cello was replaced? What then? How could you tell?

[megoapesnut]

Wouldn't be able to tell. At least I wouldn't be able to if it was a good job. Others might know some telltales. I was referring to a sale or auction where the seller described the piece as having cello replaced. If it was replaced and I couldn't tell, then I obviously wouldn't be worried about it. It isn't something I look for when I buy pieces either, just something I would avoid if the seller made me aware of it.

[LonnieFisher]

Would you rather buy a box missing the cello or the insert?

[vulcan2074]

Would you rather buy a box missing the cello or the insert?

Neither. I would just wait for one that had them both. :beaming1:
Sammy

[megoapesnut]

I would rather have the cello missing, than replaced. However, as Sammy said, I would rather just wait for one that had original cello. Unless it was an Uber rare piece that I had been looking for, for a long time and never showed up for sale anywhere. Then I would take missing, replaced, original, whatever popped up.

[megoapesnut]

And of course, these are just opinions floating around, no right or wrong answer. It's all in the personal preference of the collector.

[vulcan2074]

And of course, these are just opinions floating around, no right or wrong answer. It's all in the personal preference of the collector.

Exactly. You should collect the way that makes you happy. Because in the end thats all that really matters :beaming1:
Sammy

[alex]

That is interesting as I ran across the same thing with my boxed CIPSA POTA figures. The accessories and clothing for the Urko figure is sealed in a crinkly baggie and the stuff for the Ursus figure is sealed in a softer baggie. All of my Mego POTA mailer figures are in the crinkly type baggie.

And another interesting thing is that I recently purchased a POTA soldier figure from someone and it was sent in a small box with packing peanuts, but the figure was in a plastic bag to protect it and I just happened to have it laying next to my mailer box figures one day and realized that the baggie is almost identical. I asked the seller and he said that it wasn't from a mailer figure. He is not sure where it came from, but he never owned any mailer figures so we are pretty sure it's not from a mailer. But you would be hard pressed to know that it wasn't if you had them side by side, as I did.

I actually make plastic for a living, and I tell u the world of plastic is a big place, with gezillions types of plastic granuals, each mixed in a way giving a differant type of property.I doubt it very much if u could write down a formula what bags were used for what. Maybe mego changed manufactures a few times, even then mego giving them specifics what they want, the manufacturers could of got differant batches of granules from differant plants(I know I do), but still keeping within tollerance. Ive kept plastic with print, for referance (5 years), what was once soft, has now gone crinkly and brittle, it all depends what kind of conditions it was kept in, it basically changes its structure through time. At the end of the day, I think mego simply wanted a clear bag, that would seal under heat, and that was it, they werent bothered how each batch came in as, all this is, is only a bag inside a box.