Spider-Man 4. The Lizard and Morbius?

[Hector]

Is Spider-Man's Next Villain a … Vampire? - Reel News - Blog (http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/reelnews/4269/isspidermansnextvillainavampire/)

Wadda ya all think?

:grin:

[thunderbolt]

At least its not Venom or Carnage. I was hoping we'd get a full villain role for Bruce Campbell's Mysterio cameo last time.

[huedell]

That's as good as any classic twosome.

Personally?

I'm more partial to RHINO, ELECTRO and VULTURE or even SCORPION
...but I'll take anything they dish out. "Raimi" SPIDER-MAN is hands down my favorite superhero movie franchise of all-time....so I'm easy.

Plus, I have to admit that those two seem easier to build a movie around than any of the others (KRAVEN, MYSTERIO, BEETLE, CHAMELEON, etc.).

[The Bat]

Don't care if they use Morbius....but I've been dying to see the Lizard!!!:yes:

[vintage spideyfan]

My vote is for the Lizard or Mysterio. I wish they'd keep it to one villain at a time.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Lizard and Kraven. Makes perfect sense.

Connors becomes the Lizard. He's skulking around New York, with reports of a lizard-man running wild. Kraven is a big time TV hunter with a reality show (Steve Erwin with no morals) and he comes to the Big Apple to bag Lizzie. When Spidey figures out who the Lizard is, he has to save Connors before Kraven kills him.

Chris

[kingdom warrior]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Lizard and Kraven. Makes perfect sense.

Connors becomes the Lizard. He's skulking around New York, with reports of a lizard-man running wild. Kraven is a big time TV hunter with a reality show (Steve Erwin with no morals) and he comes to the Big Apple to bag Lizzie. When Spidey figures out who the Lizard is, he has to save Connors before Kraven kills him.

Chris

Awww yeah!!!! let's all get Chris to Hollywood so he can write the script!!!

Morbius for me is too Dark of a character for spidey...too many little kids see these movies to have a Vampire in it.

[LOU]

I'm thrilled they are doing another Spider-Man as I absolutely loved the first three. I'm happy The Lizard is the next villain but I don't really have any childhood memories about Morbius as I don't remember Spidey fighting him in the comic books as a kid. I know who he is and what he looks like but I am unfamiliar with the character. I probably would have picked a different second villain, like the Chameleon...that kind of character would set up many plot surprises as you would never know who was The Chameleon and who wasn't throughout the whole film.
But as I said, as long as they make another, I'll take any villains they dish out. I just hope this isn't one of those sequels where the original cast isn't fully assembled...I hate it when someone else is cast in a role where we are already used to another actor playing it. I do not agree with the reply on that page that says Venom is one of Spidey's greatest villains as he is far too new a character to make such a grandios claim. Venom in only about 18 years-old whereas the rest of the rogues date back to Spidey's early days for the most part...no Venom is not one of Spidey's greatest villains in my opnion...

[aquatroy]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Lizard and Kraven. Makes perfect sense.

Connors becomes the Lizard. He's skulking around New York, with reports of a lizard-man running wild. Kraven is a big time TV hunter with a reality show (Steve Erwin with no morals) and he comes to the Big Apple to bag Lizzie. When Spidey figures out who the Lizard is, he has to save Connors before Kraven kills him.

Chris

Agreed. If they insist on having two villians then Lizard and Kraven make perfect sense.

More importantly, here's to keeping the suits out of this movie. SM3 suffered because of the heavy handed studio involvment.

[huedell]

... I do not agree with the reply on that page that says Venom is one of Spidey's greatest villains as he is far too new a character to make such a grandios claim. Venom in only about 18 years-old whereas the rest of the rogues date back to Spidey's early days for the most part...no Venom is not one of Spidey's greatest villains in my opnion...

If I were so against this "new" 18 year old villain VENOM
as some of the "old-timers" are here at the Mego boards,
I'd just thank my stars that SPIDEY 4 isn't considering using him.
BUT
to not accept ranking VENOM among Spidey's "geatest villains"
is totally unrealistic...VENOM is undeniably a HUGE part
of the Spidey mythos...more tham just about any other
Spidey villain outside of GOBLIN, OCK and maybe a couple of others
(maybe!).

[MIB41]

I love the idea of Morbius. That character could give the series an edginess it lost from part 3. PLUS it gives Raimi a chance to inject some of his great horror skills into the franchise. I think the movie could be a classic!

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

I think Morbius is as good a baddie as any. Just so long as he doesn't sparkle in the sun. Or play baseball.

Don C.

[david_b]

My vote is for the Lizard or Mysterio. I wish they'd keep it to one villain at a time.

DITTO.. It's always less the movie when they have more than one villain. More action, granted, but less drama, psychological tension.. I usually prefer just one villain.

Morbius..? Sorry, I don't agree much about vampires as movie villains.., I'd prefer the Lizard, Mysterio, Electro, or a few others as well.

A standoff against the Lizard alone would be excellent!


david_b

[4NDR01D]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Lizard and Kraven. Makes perfect sense.

Connors becomes the Lizard. He's skulking around New York, with reports of a lizard-man running wild. Kraven is a big time TV hunter with a reality show (Steve Erwin with no morals) and he comes to the Big Apple to bag Lizzie. When Spidey figures out who the Lizard is, he has to save Connors before Kraven kills him.

Chris

Oh, that's good!!!:yes:

[Adam West]

So many good villains to choose from. I am in the camp that is partial to Mysterio but maybe Morbius makes more sense if they are going to use Lizard as to have a main villain and secondary villain.

Morbius also may simply be a choice because vampires are in vogue right now and they might just be riding "Twilight" coat tails since there will be a lot of teenagers going to see Spidey.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Morbius also may simply be a choice because vampires are in vogue right now and they might just be riding "Twilight" coat tails since there will be a lot of teenagers going to see Spidey.

My thoughts exactly. Morbius is a tragic vampire too. He's a normal guy who accidentally became a living vampire, so they can "fix him" at the end if they wish.

It COULD work. I think the 90s Spider-Man animated series tied the Lizard and Morbius together somewhat, by having Morbius further Connor's research (called neuoginics, I think).

Chris

[samurainoir]

At least its not Venom or Carnage. I was hoping we'd get a full villain role for Bruce Campbell's Mysterio cameo last time.

You mean the guy in the restaurant? That was a Mysterio cameo? What indicated that?

[BlackKnight]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Lizard and Kraven. Makes perfect sense.

Connors becomes the Lizard. He's skulking around New York, with reports of a lizard-man running wild. Kraven is a big time TV hunter with a reality show (Steve Erwin with no morals) and he comes to the Big Apple to bag Lizzie. When Spidey figures out who the Lizard is, he has to save Connors before Kraven kills him.

Chris


Agreed.

[samurainoir]

Venom in only about 18 years-old.

I suddenly feel very ancient.

[thunderbolt]

You mean the guy in the restaurant? That was a Mysterio cameo? What indicated that?

The character's name was whatever Mysterio's real name was I think. Hey, does this mean we will get 6 armed Tobey in this one?

[Captain]

I like Chris' idea the best. If not Lizzie and Kraven, I would rather stick with some of the earlier villians like Rhino, Vulture, the Tinkerer (?), Mysterio. Maybe Dr. Noah Boddy from the cartoon....just kidding on the last one. I would rather see the flying cowboy guy from the animated series first! :)

[samurainoir]

The character's name was whatever Mysterio's real name was I think. Hey, does this mean we will get 6 armed Tobey in this one?

Ah! Thanks, totally didn't know about that Easter Egg. That would be cool if they did finally let Bruce do a Villain instead of walk-on's.

So, we know Dylan Baker's been sitting around for a couple of movies now as Dr Conners waiting for his day to get scaly.

Who do we want as Morbius or Kraven?

Vinnie Jones immediately pops into my head as The Crocodile Hunter on Crack, but is that too over the top? What about Ron Perlman?

What about Zachary Quinto as Morbius?

[Earth 2 Chris]

What about Zachary Quinto as Morbius?

He certainly knows how to work pointy ears. He can borrow Nimoy's dentures for his fangs!:)

Seriously, that's not bad casting.

Chris

[The Toyroom]

The character's name was whatever Mysterio's real name was I think.

Quentin Beck

[cdhall]

My vote is for the Lizard or Mysterio. I wish they'd keep it to one villain at a time.

A good story with one villain would be nice.

I guess it is too much to hope that they will not mess with the comic history/continuity. Too late for Spidey but I HATE that. Although, the comics update/mess with it themselves regularly so I should shut up.

Batman (Adam West) did a good job with multiple villains, I don't know that I've seen a movie repeat that success.

I hated Spiderman 3. But mostly because they crammed Carnage and Venom into it. I thought Venom came first, then Carnage. That should have been 3 and 4.

Then maybe Lizard/Mysterio for 5 because the article makes good sense.

THEN Lizard/Kraven for 6. Maybe Mysterio gets some love.

Then Mysterio for 7 and they could all go home with $Billion each.

[cdhall]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Lizard and Kraven. Makes perfect sense.

Connors becomes the Lizard. He's skulking around New York, with reports of a lizard-man running wild. Kraven is a big time TV hunter with a reality show (Steve Erwin with no morals) and he comes to the Big Apple to bag Lizzie. When Spidey figures out who the Lizard is, he has to save Connors before Kraven kills him.

Chris

That REALLY is a good idea.

Edited to mark my this was my 600th post! Woo Hoo!

[clemso]

I would like to see DareDevil in Spider-man.

Clem

[bobws]

i love Earth 2 Chris' Idea! Fanatastic! that's how you use 2 villians. Otherwise use the Indiana Jones style, End one adventure at the start of a movie and then tell the next story. have the movie start with Rhino running out of a bank and Spidey saying this time i got you and show a half hour SLUGFEST Between them, then go into the Lizards story properly.

[thunderbolt]

^^^ The Ben Affleck DD???

[cdhall]

i love Earth 2 Chris' Idea! Fanatastic! that's how you use 2 villians. Otherwise use the Indiana Jones style, End one adventure at the start of a movie and then tell the next story. have the movie start with Rhino running out of a bank and Spidey saying this time i got you and show a half hour SLUGFEST Between them, then go into the Lizards story properly.

Good suggestions. I like your thought as well.
:yeah:

[clemso]

^^^ The Ben Affleck DD???

For continuity that might be interesting, but I am sure there are some other actors who can fit the bill. Also KING PIN would have to be the common foe.

[huedell]

I wasn't so teed off at "Affleck" DD as many comic fans/movie fans were.

I didn't think the DD movie was "awesome" but I tolerated it quite easy,
leaving the theatre satisfied.

Unfortunately, I think "Affleck" DD is tainted, besides, Affleck has said
he's pretty bitter about the whole thing anyway.

Bottomline: there's no good reason to get Affleck to ever play DD again.

That aside.

Seeing SPIDERMAN AND DAREDEVIL as a movie title on the marquee would
be quite the thrill...and I bet a lot of you would agree with me.

Frankly ANY superhero team-up like that would be cool, huh?

The FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER movie had that
kind of going for it.

Personally I would've called the movie FANTASTIC FOUR AND SILVER SURFER
or FANTASTIC FOUR MEET SILVER SURFER...looks cooler on the marquee ;) :cool_y:

[clemso]

Or FANTASTIC FOUR: THE COMING OF THE CLOUD :smiley1:

Yeah i would be well up for a Spider-man DD movie

[samurainoir]

I think the contrast between The Dark Knight and Spider-man 3 proved that if you do the 2 villain approach, it is best if you can tie them together in a more compelling way.

It was a real stretch to get Venom and Sandman to team up finally at the end, at times it was like 2 different movies. A "Jean Valjean" approach to a tragic villain was good with Sandman, and the "Evil Doppelganger" is a tried and true staple... but perhaps best left on their own in separate stories. The Joker storyline in Dark Knight dovetailed into the Two Face development perfectly with strong impact and powerful consequences.

I think it was good for them to take a break from the "Father Figure" villains like Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, and it will definitely be a challenge for them to find a different twist with Doctor Conners given the fact that he too is the reluctant "Father Figure" type as well to Peter. Although this was all part and parcel with the early appeal of Spiderman as a teenager/young man/orphan finding his way into the world and adulthood. Both in rebelling and proving himself to the allegorical "Fathers" that seemed to make his most compelling silver age villains.

[palitoy]

It was a real stretch to get Venom and Sandman to team up finally at the end, at times it was like 2 different movies.

I thought the scene where Venom and Sandman team up was written by a child or swiped from the old easy reader comics. Not much motivation there, very weak just "hey you, let's join forces!".

[samurainoir]

For continuity that might be interesting, but I am sure there are some other actors who can fit the bill. Also KING PIN would have to be the common foe.

My thought was always "Why Ben Affleck and not Matt Damon?".

Given the quick reboot of The Incredible Hulk, I'm sure Marvel Execs would probably consider a low risk approach of reintroducing Daredevil into a Spiderman film. Just look at the X-Men films... already they have Gambit, Deadpool and X-Men 1st Class ready to roll out of Wolverine. Daredevil also adds more merchandising opportunities to the mix.

I know I would dig The Kingpin as a Spidey Villain, and given Spiderman's constant trouble with the law, it makes a good reason for him to interact with Matt Murdock in the court system and outside of it as Daredevil.

I would just love to see their relationship on film a bit closer to the antagonistic approach of the Ultimate Universe interactions.

[samurainoir]

You know what would be really funny and perfect for Bruce Campbell's Mysterio?

When Raimi is finally done with Spiderman movies and decides to hang it up, "Mysterio" should finally show up in costume, and rattle on about how he has been Spiderman and Peter Parker's scourge and arch-nemesis for all these years. Showing up when he least expects it to make Spidey's life a living hell.

He pulls off the fishbowl for the big reveal... and Spiderman is all "Who are You?"

Leave it to Campbell to do his classic floundering posturing at that point... I'm the guy who wouldn't let you in the theatre! I'm the ****** of a maitre d! etc. You ruined my show-biz career at that Wrestling match, and I've been savoring my revenge!

Let Maguire do his "What the?" face, mayhem ensues.

Don't make it the crux of a movie, just give Campbell his little moment to shine (perhaps before the opening credits roll).

[Earth 2 Chris]

I thought the scene where Venom and Sandman team up was written by a child or swiped from the old easy reader comics. Not much motivation there, very weak just "hey you, let's join forces!".

Yeah, that was Superman IV like quality writing there. That and the jazz club scene were completely horrible. Other parts were okay, but those bring it down so much.

Chris

[samurainoir]

I thought the scene where Venom and Sandman team up was written by a child or swiped from the old easy reader comics.

LOL! Not so quick on the uptake today, only just got the Spidey Super Stories/Morgan Freeman Electric Company reference.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/spidey-super-stories/3-1.jpg

I actually did learn to read with these comics. It was an issue with The Jester. I teared up as Punisher put a bullet in his head in Civil War. 8)

[huedell]

Yeah, that was Superman IV like quality writing there. That and the jazz club scene were completely horrible. Other parts were okay, but those bring it down so much.

Chris

I agree those weren't written the best (particularly the Venom/Sandman
scene talk about economy of words/concepts!), but I was looking at
SPIDEY 3 differently---it seems you're looking at it from that the
movie is only as good as it's weakest link.

The Parker routine at the Jazz Club was weird---not just for it's
"musical number within an action movie" aspect---I could handle that---
but after that Parker slaps Mary Jane hard and it's such a sharp emotional
turn at that point that I felt uncomfortable.

[BlackKnight]

Not much motivation there, very weak just "hey you, let's join forces!".

Yes,...
It was almost something outta the Silver Age of Comics. :smiley1:

[clemso]

New Goblin was so lame, I think Sandman was dead on though.

[Hector]

Awww yeah!!!! let's all get Chris to Hollywood so he can write the script!!!

Morbius for me is too Dark of a character for spidey...too many little kids see these movies to have a Vampire in it.

Who cares about little kids.

:smiley1:

[Hector]

I love the idea of Morbius. That character could give the series an edginess it lost from part 3. PLUS it gives Raimi a chance to inject some of his great horror skills into the franchise. I think the movie could be a classic!

Agreed.

Plus Morbius is not a come from the dead vampire in the traditional sense...he is a living vampire spawned from science.

[Hector]

I would like to see DareDevil in Spider-man.

Clem

Just not with Ben Affleck, urgh.

:googly: :smiley1:

[Hector]

I thought the scene where Venom and Sandman team up was written by a child or swiped from the old easy reader comics. Not much motivation there, very weak just "hey you, let's join forces!".

Not only that...but instead of seeing this on screen at all times...

http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/venom.jpg


...we get to see this annoying face instead...

http://welcomeconsumer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/venom.jpg

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[huedell]

Who cares about little kids.

:smiley1:

Not only THAT, but who's to say a vampire can't be
a "fun" character?

This is a personal opinion, but I've viewed SPIDEY 1, 2 & 3
as "fun" superhero movies, i.e. never feeling "too dry"
throughout all of 'em.

I also never thought of them as movies you couldn't take
your kids to---and even tho' that quality is not NECESSARY to me---
it's certainly a strong point.

The more that a family can enjoy these movies, the better.

[cdhall]

You know what would be really funny and perfect for Bruce Campbell's Mysterio?

When Raimi is finally done with Spiderman movies and decides to hang it up, "Mysterio" should finally show up in costume, and rattle on about how he has been Spiderman and Peter Parker's scourge and arch-nemesis for all these years. Showing up when he least expects it to make Spidey's life a living hell.

He pulls off the fishbowl for the big reveal... and Spiderman is all "Who are You?"

Leave it to Campbell to do his classic floundering posturing at that point... I'm the guy who wouldn't let you in the theatre! I'm the ****** of a maitre d! etc. You ruined my show-biz career at that Wrestling match, and I've been savoring my revenge!

Let Maguire do his "What the?" face, mayhem ensues.

Don't make it the crux of a movie, just give Campbell his little moment to shine (perhaps before the opening credits roll).

That is FUNNY! Very well put.
:smiley1:

[jds1911a1]

You know what would be really funny and perfect for Bruce Campbell's Mysterio?

When Raimi is finally done with Spiderman movies and decides to hang it up, "Mysterio" should finally show up in costume, and rattle on about how he has been Spiderman and Peter Parker's scourge and arch-nemesis for all these years. Showing up when he least expects it to make Spidey's life a living hell.

He pulls off the fishbowl for the big reveal... and Spiderman is all "Who are You?"

Leave it to Campbell to do his classic floundering posturing at that point... I'm the guy who wouldn't let you in the theatre! I'm the ****** of a maitre d! etc. You ruined my show-biz career at that Wrestling match, and I've been savoring my revenge!

Let Maguire do his "What the?" face, mayhem ensues.

Don't make it the crux of a movie, just give Campbell his little moment to shine (perhaps before the opening credits roll).

That is brilliant and exactly the type of thing Raimi might do of course if Bruce gets any larger they may have to cast him as the kingpin

[jds1911a1]

I would rather see them pair down to just 1 villian in a well written plot. since 4 might be the last go out on a high note. lizard is the best choice for a villian. Morbius is like the punisher when the character was created it was new and interesting but now with SOOO many vampire films and 3 blade films vampires are passe'. nevermind they will probably go pretty boy vampire becuase of twilight and the ann rice vampire films

[clemso]

Not only THAT, but who's to say a vampire can't be
a "fun" character?

This is a personal opinion, but I've viewed SPIDEY 1, 2 & 3
as "fun" superhero movies, i.e. never feeling "too dry"
throughout all of 'em.

I also never thought of them as movies you couldn't take
your kids to---and even tho' that quality is not NECESSARY to me---
it's certainly a strong point.

The more that a family can enjoy these movies, the better.

Yeah maybe it could be 'The Count" from Sesame street instead :smiley1:

[huedell]

Yeah maybe it could be 'The Count" from Sesame street instead :smiley1:

Now, now :wink:

All they have to do is make Morbius as palatable as any other
Spidey-villain that Raimi has presented and he'll be just as family-friendly
in my eyes.
----I didn't even think Venom was all that over-the-top horrific
altho' I heard different from some parents...I dunno. :juggleyes_y:

Like I said before, I don't find family-friendly NECESSARY, I just find it helpful
because it's picking the brains of a wider-age audience, which in my opinion
is cool for a superhero icon.

The good thing here in a debate is that most people here
liked "Raimi Spidey" on the whole as it has stood, so, aside from
correcting a bit of a drop in the third one---Raimi basically just has
to continue doing what he HAS been doing already and things should be
peachy :grin::cool_y:

[cdhall]

I really didn't like the Goblin costume. Someone said he looked like he belonged on Power Rangers... and Bruce is putting on some weight. Which is also a bit disturbing because he had a big health/fitness rant on his old website but I think it carried over to "If Chins Could Kill." He was really hard on chubby kids. And actors too as I recall.

That USA movie where he was an Astronaut was kind of scary. He looked bad there. I just taped a 2hr Burn Notice to see if I can sort of get into that show. I don't know what the 2hr thing is. Pilot? Did they do a 2hr one for Sweeps? I'll look around the web.

But Spidey 3 was really bad in my opinion. Too much rewriting of story elements and just too "what can we cram in here?"

[jds1911a1]

I really didn't like the Goblin costume. Someone said he looked like he belonged on Power Rangers... and Bruce is putting on some weight. Which is also a bit disturbing because he had a big health/fitness rant on his old website but I think it carried over to "If Chins Could Kill." He was really hard on chubby kids. And actors too as I recall.

That USA movie where he was an Astronaut was kind of scary. He looked bad there. I just taped a 2hr Burn Notice to see if I can sort of get into that show. I don't know what the 2hr thing is. Pilot? Did they do a 2hr one for Sweeps? I'll look around the web.

But Spidey 3 was really bad in my opinion. Too much rewriting of story elements and just too "what can we cram in here?"

Burn notice is dcent for a made for USA show. the good thing is you don't need to see every episode to follow it so it's one to stop as you cahnnel search. Bruce is in a supporting role so you only see him about 8-10 minutes nax in an episode

[cdhall]

Burn notice is dcent for a made for USA show. the good thing is you don't need to see every episode to follow it so it's one to stop as you cahnnel search. Bruce is in a supporting role so you only see him about 8-10 minutes nax in an episode

That is what I thought but that Loose Ends ended in a cliffhanger. Not funny. It was OK like I expected but I have no idea what episode should be next or how I'll catch it. USA was running a Marathon. It was probably the next episode that came on.
:shocked: