Christian Bale is a nut job!!!!!

[Cosmicman]

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/09/tn2_christian_bale_2.jpgYeah, I firmly believe that Christian Bale is a nut job.

Someone left the audio running during the filming of Terminator 4 when Christian lost his mind on a light guy who accidentally was behind him while he was rehearsing a scene.

Wasn't there something awhile ago about this guy hitting his mother? Yeah, this guy is nuts. Listen to this!! :animal-smiley-040:

YouTube - Christian Bale Goes ApeSh#t on Terminator 4 set (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXVuy0h29c)

[toys2cool]

yeah they just posted this one here today,definitely a nut.But I still like him :grin:

[Vortigern99]

Sometimes people yell at each other and act irrationally. It happens. We're human. It doesn't mean he's a nut job. This happened lat July, and by now Bale has probably apologized to the DP. It's none of our business.

[Mikey]

I think he's a rather boring actor.

It seems like anything he ever plays in he's awfully stiff.

He's got no personality on-screen.

Kind of reminds me of Keanu Reeves or Tom Cruise

[Gorn Captain]

Maybe he's training to take over the role of The Joker?

The light guy should have answered: "Why so serious?!"

[thunderbolt]

He never hit his mother, it was verbal abuse, which is punishable under English law.

[Vortigern99]

Also, BTW, the allegations by his mother and sister were for verbal assault, which is illegal in the UK. They did not pursue the charges and the police dropped the case.

I just think it's important to get the facts straight. He did not "hit his mother" as the opening post declares.

EDIT: Thunderbolt, exactly.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I'm sure Bale isn't the first Hollywood actor to scream at the crew. This was just caught on tape, and he plays a heroic character in Batman, so he's held up to a higher standard by the media than other actors.

There are several actors who worked with Christopher Reeve that claimed he was a stuck-up snob. But now he is remembered as a tireless advocate for the impaired.

I've gone off and screamed at people too when I was stressed out. Doesn't mean I'm a nut job.

The thing with Bale's mother seemed to blow over. And you know the media wouldn't have let that go if there was much to it. Far too juicy.

Val Kilmer is by nearly all accounts a real tool. But for the time, he was a decent Batman, and I really enjoyed him in other roles, esp. Tombstone.

Very few Hollywood actors have good reps of being down-to-earth people. It's part and parcel with the lifestyle. It may have to do with the fact that they feel they can't have a normal life and are constantly on edge so their foibles don't make it out to the public...like this.

Chris

[Werewolf]

Talk about anger management issues.

This really isn't defendable behavior. If you or I behaved like this on the job, you'd more than likely get fired or at the very least put on suspension. Heck most places probably would have security take you off to jail.

If you like his movies or him as an actor, great. I neither like nor dislike him as an actor. But if you took a step back and looked at it objectively you'd see this is not defendable behavior. You don't exploded like that on the job or in public.

[Mego Milk]

Awesome.

Stay the "EFF" out of Batman's way!

[Vortigern99]

I've worked at jobs in sales and in the food industry where yelling and profanity were the default managerial style. I've used angry, irrational language in speaking to my wife and she has done so with me, and neither of us is a "nut job." It is defensible insofar as anger is a normal human foible.

I'm not saying it's "right" to yell at your co-workers, I'm saying that sometimes it happens and fortunately for the rest of us, we aren't audio recorded doing it.

[Werewolf]

It is defensible insofar as anger is a normal human foible.


No, it is not defendable behavior in any way shape or form.

I'm honestly quite shocked and and disappointed that people feel the need to defend this behavior. I am also surprised that an allowed managerial style would contain verbal abuse. I can't fathom that would be allowed anymore with the growing concerns and understanding of workplace harassment and violence.

[Mikey]

Everybody get's mad and wants to yell at their coworkers at some time, but most don't because they have self control and know the consequences of their actions would be damaging to themselves... It's a forum of mental self preservation to not act like a madman

People who do not have this self control are unstable.

The movie industry is a prime place for CREATING people like this because they can take any normal person and turn them into a monster.... Letting them believe they are so great that they can do anything they want.

It's actually a form of absolute power corrupting absolutely.

[Vortigern99]

It's defensible not as a "right" action but simply as an error that is common to most if not all human beings the world over. Have you never yelled at someone, lost your temper and regretted it afterward? It's a mistake but it doesn't warrant the kind of "OMG THE HORROR!" statements that people are making against Bale. So he used the f-word and criticised the guy for ruining the shot. So what? It's a professional matter between these two men and no one else except perhaps the production company.

[Mikey]

So he used the f-word and criticised the guy for ruining the shot. So what?

It was more then that.
He basically spazzed out.
People who spazz usually have a deeper psychological problem hidden below.
It's just not a normal reaction.

[Werewolf]

It's defensible not as a "right" action but simply as an error that is common to most if not all human beings the world over.

I think you are losing your objectivity on this type of behavior because of maybe your admiration for his work. I explained quite thoroughly why that type of behavior is not accceptable for anyone.

As I mentioned before behaving like that on the job would get you more than likely suspended, fired and or arrested. That is not acceptable/defendable on the job behavior.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I'm not condoning his actions or defending them. But we've heard of such tirades out of actors and other entertainers before, this was just recorded on the spot. I agree with Mike about absolute power corrupting. I also believe the pressure these "stars" put themselves under also is generally their undoing. It comes out in their behavior one way or another.

Chris

[Werewolf]

People who spazz usually have a deeper psychological problem hidden below.
It's just not a normal reaction.

Agreed, that's not normal behavior. After behaving like that on the job, at the very, very least a person would have to go through a mandatory psychological evaluation and anger management counseling to keep their job.

[jasonmego1277]

I do agree as well , Its not acceptable behavior of anyone in the spotlight. whether its our business or not , It's all about being professional. Take the Michael Phelps situation. Yes its his business what he does , but its another when your in the spotlight. You need better control yourself. Look at Mickey Rourke. May get nomimated because of " The Wrestler " For years he was held down due to his poor attitude and inability to control himself. Bale needs to realize this. I definitely believe Bale can replaced. I do agree people who get that angry and often ( Yes I have heard there is more times he's flipped out on co-actors, directors, and producers ) have a deeper psychological issue.

[Vortigern99]

My objectivity in this matter is colored, not by my admiration for Bale's work (which is considerable), but by my having experienced "anger management issues" in my 20s and 30s, and now having to see my new wife struggle with the same problem. Not everyone is prone to such irrational outbursts, so to say that this behavior is "not normal" may be technically accurate, but it isn't very constructive or helpful. Where does such name-calling and finger-pointing get us? If it helps you vent your own anger and frustration at the man for misbehaving, so be it. I for one would rather try to understand the reasons for his outbursts, try to empathize rather than condemn him. I'd also prefer to forgive his error as obviously wrong but ultimately not that horrible.

As to mandatory psych evaluations and counseling, Werewolf, you appear to be speaking from experience with regard to your own job, and with jobs with which you are personally familiar. Not all jobs are like that. Some -- sales, food-industry and entertainment, to name three with which I am personally familiar -- have a different set of rules, written and unwritten. This may seem "wrong" to you, or an ethical violation, but tense scenarios and verbal abuse by superiors may just part and parcel of those endeavors.

Some film directors, for example, especially in the Golden Age of Hollywood, were notorious for on-set tyranny and anger. Today we may watch their films without any knowledge of how badly they treated their cast and crew. It's difficult to get riled up over something that happened 4 decades ago, of which we have no audible record.

But here and now, in the information age, a recording catches an actor's angry criticism (or "spazz out" if you prefer) of a co-worker (who may have been subordinate to Bale, depending on the production hierarchy), and it becomes very easy to point our fingers and call the guy a "nut job", all the while neglecting to censure ourselves for our own faults.

My ultimate point here: Was it wrong of Bale to curse at the guy and verbally abuse him? YES. Do "normal" people (whatever that means) also sometimes act irrationally and verbally abuse others: YES. Does that make those people reprehensible/unforgivable/nutjobs? NO.

For all we know, Bale has apologized to the guy by now; it happened 8 months ago.

[Mikey]

For all we know, Bale has apologized to the guy by now; it happened 8 months ago.

It doesn't matter.
The problem is still there because it happened... it's like a guy that beats up his wife and then apologizes afterward.

Being sorry is not a get out of jail free card.

[Werewolf]

Where does such name-calling and finger-pointing get us? If it helps you vent your own anger and frustration at the man for misbehaving, so be it.

It is not name calling of finger pointing.

It is objectively looking at the behavior. I have no anger or frustration at Mr Bale. I have not seen his movies or have a feeling about his work one way or the other. I am looking objectively at the behavior as I would from anyone else and that type of behavior is not normal.

A person expressing themselves in such an extreme way have pyschological issues they need help with. To excuse the behavior does not help the person with the anger issues or the person they are verbally assaulting. The victims of the behavior should not have to put up with it and the person exhibiting the behavior needs help.

There is always the chance and risk that verbal abuse could turn to physical abuse. The person doing the verbal abuse needs help (not excuses) because there is a real risk they could end up physically hurting themselves or someone else.

Behaving like that on the job at the very least is unprofessional and (like I've said before) would result in getting suspended, fired or even arrested. To make another example, I would consider behaving like that to a spouse or child verbal abuse. Also not acceptable behavior. I take this issue very seriously.

[Vortigern99]

It doesn't matter.
The problem is still there because it happened... it's like a guy that beats up his wife and then apologizes afterward.

Being sorry is not a get out of jail free card.

Yelling at someone is not against the law, and not the same degree of moral or ethical violation as committing an act of violence against someone. Your analogy fails on this point alone.

If all of the people against whom you had committed some offense had this same attitude toward you -- "Being sorry is not a get out of jail free card" -- then where would you be? We must forgive those who do wrong against us, otherwise we hang onto anger and hate forever. If the DP had moved on and forgiven Bale, would yo ube able to? Or would you still think the guy is a reprehensible "nutjob"?

It is not name calling of finger pointing.

Observe the title of this thread.

It is objectively looking at the behavior. I have no anger or frustration at Mr Bale. I have not seen his movies or have a feeling about his work one way or the other. I am looking objectively at the behavior as I would from anyone else and that type of behavior is not normal.

Me too. My objectivity is colored and informed by my personal, lifelong experience with this kind of thing.

A person expressing themselves in such an extreme way have pyschological issues they need help with. To excuse the behavior does not help the person with the anger issues or the person they are verbally assaulting. The victims of the behavior should not have to put up with it and the person exhibiting the behavior needs help.

Forgiveness is not "excusing" the behavior. I never said the outburst/tirade was acceptable or excusable. I said it was an error, a mistake, but understandable and human and not really that horrible at the end of the day. Bale didn't harm anyone and he didn't kill anyone. He yelled and used the f-word. It's wrong to do that, most or all of us here have done it, now let's move on.

There is always the chance and risk that verbal abuse could turn to physical abuse. The person doing the verbal abuse needs help (not excuses) because there is a real risk they could end up physically hurting themselves or someone else.

If Bale had physically assaulted the guy, that would be another matter. He didn't, so trying to force a correlation between one act and another to mak your point is speculative and unproductive. Verbal abuse =/= physical assault, nor does the latter always derive from the former, nor does the former always lead into the latter. One is one act and the other is another.

Behaving like that on the job at the very least is unprofessional and (like I've said before) would result in getting suspended, fired or even arrested. To make another example, I would consider behaving behaving like that to a spouse or child verbal abuse. Also not acceptable behavior. I take this issue very seriously.

I take it seriously, too. It's not acceptable, but it is forgivable and understandable and fully human. The guy made a mistake, we've established that, now why not move on? Or would you like to talk about some of the errors you've committed in your life?

[Hector]

You guys are reading too much into it.

I've done the exact same thing in various past situations, lol.

I'm a lot calmer now though.

:smiley1:

[Vortigern99]

Thank you for saying so, Hector. So have I, so has my new wife, so has my ex(late) wife, so have past managers and bosses, so has my mother, and so have numerous people I've known, met and seen throughout my life.

Let's get over this holier-than-thou attitude.

[Werewolf]

Observe the title of this thread.


Yes, that is the title of the thread but you were talking to me and I said no such thing.


your point is speculative and unproductive. Verbal abuse =/= physical assault, nor does the latter always derive from the former, nor does the former always lead into the latter. One is one act and the other is another.

There is link and a real risk that verbal abuse can lead to physical. A person needs help before it can ever come to that because the risk is very real. A person with anger issues doesn't necessarily make them a bad person or is unforgivable. But again, they need help (not excuses) before that behavior hurts someone or themselves.



Let's get over this holier-than-thou attitude.

I just take the issue very seriously. Women's shelters are full of women whose partner's verbal abuse turned to physical.

[Mikey]

Let's get over this holier-than-thou attitude.

Thems fight'in words !!!!!!!!!! :smiley1:

[Vortigern99]

Point taken that you, Werewolf, didn't use the term in the thread title. My criticism remains, then, against those who have used such terms and couched their censure of Bale in harsh and self-congratulatory language. If someone else is a "nutjob" for their mistakes, then what does that make me for my own mistakes? It's misanthropic and hateful, IMO, and I wish it would stop. We're better than this.

As to the correlation between verbal and physical assault, it exists in the statistics but I don't believe the one increases the chances of the other. Whether it does or not, it's not a factor in this particular instance. Suggesting what Bale might have done or was in danger of doing is not addressing reality, but rather the imagination and "could-be" scenarios. It's like criticizing a man for whistling or catcalling at a woman -- which for the record is wrong, offensive behavior -- based on the possibility that such obnoxiousness might lead to rape. It might, but that's hardly the point here.

[Werewolf]

As to the correlation between verbal and physical assault, it exists in the statistics but I don't believe the one increases the chances of the other.

I have to respectfully disagree. Yes, there is a real risk. Like where I mentioned women in shelters whose partners verbal abuse turned to physical. The statistics are unfortunately painfully real. Does it mean verbal abuse will always lead to physical, no. But the risk is there and needs to be addressed so it absolutely does not.


Suggesting what Bale might have done or was in danger of doing is not addressing reality, but rather the imagination and "could-be" scenarios.

If you would look over my posts, I barely even mention Mr. Bale. Who again I am not even all that familar with as an actor. I am adressing that type of behavior which I feel is not acceptable no matter who does it. Notice I also concentrate on the behavior being bad and the persons affected needing help.

I feel I personally have not been unkind or insulting to Mr. Bale or anyone else.

[ctc]

>It's actually a form of absolute power corrupting absolutely.

That's what does a lot of celebrities in; while they're on to they're surrounded by people who cater to their every whim and constantly stroke their egos. As soon as they're NOT on top nobody cares. It can be tough living like that, with the sudden silence. (I suspect that's what drives many has-beens to reality tv....)

>People who spazz usually have a deeper psychological problem hidden below.

Definitely, and in this case we have to wonder what those problems are. You can never know what's on a persosn's mind.... especially from a few minute movie clip. So I'd reserve judgement until I knew more about the situation. For all we know this lighting guy keyed his car and has been crank-calling him for the last month.

>After behaving like that on the job, at the very, very least a person would have to go through a mandatory psychological evaluation

Wow. Where do you work? Evaluations cost money, so a lot of places will "let it go this time with a warning," or haggle with the union for a "lesser sentence," or ignore it, or if you're one of the "cool kids" rationalize why YOU were right for going off.

>that's not normal behavior.

Depends on your situation. If you're suffering from "pressure cooker" stress, that sort of behaviour is REMARKABLY normal. Not GOOD; but normal. Everybody has different levels of stress management, and occasionally the ambient levels of stress supercede those. Happens to most folks at some point. And yeah, it leads to ineffective coping strategies; like yelling at folks, but for a lot of people they can't think of anything better. The ol' "fight or flight" instinct kicks in, and if flight isn't possible, fight kicks in.

I always end up feeling sorry for people like this. I understand pressure, and I understand being frustrated with those around you. (If you've seen "Idiocracy" you've got a good idea of what my one job looks like....) My preferred defense is sarcasm. If you use big enough words most people don't even notice....

Don C.

[Zemo]

Yea, ok, now what was I mad about?
http://www.deadzoom.com/member/jamiemac13/chong.jpg

[Hector]

:smiley1:

[fallensaviour]

The verbal lashing is not against the law but the part where he threatens to kick the guys ***** if he doesn't shut up is.
It's called uttering threats and is illegal here in Canada.
But I agree they are probably over this long ago.I'm sure they have moved on and yes I have yelled at people before as well.
But never threatened them there is a difference there.
Just another day in Hollywood I'm sure.
He is still a decent actor and I look forward to the film.

[kingdom warrior]

Freek Bale!!! He's not Batman I would have bust his *** with a bat.....:grin:

[Hector]

Now...not to excuse Bale...but there's also a possibility that the DP is a mayor jerk himself...not in the loud way...but perhaps inept and passive aggressive...so Bale let him have it (after many chances).

I've been in very similar situations.

I'm not defending Bale...but I understand the different possible scenarios here.

I'm just saying.

:wink_y:

[almitysufx]

He was just getting ready for a screen test for Deadwood the final HBO movies.

[Mikey]

Too many people have a mancrush on the guy because he's the current Batman.

[Cosmicman]

Too many people have a mancrush on the guy because he's the current Batman.

After hearing this audio. I have lost respect for him. I think he is a ****ing tool. :animal-smiley-040:

[fallensaviour]

Too many people have a mancrush on the guy because he's the current Batman.

No man crush here I just understand he is human and any man/woman on this board that says he/she has never ever tongue lashed anybody or never felt bad for something they have said is a damn liar.

Everybody sooner or later has done something they wish they hadn't.
His was caught on tape.

Not condoning it just saying he is human not to held to any higher standard than anybody else.

So truly ask yourself have you ever been an ****** to somebody?
I would say yes you probably have.

[Werewolf]

No man crush here I just understand he is human and any man/woman on this board that says he/she has never ever tongue lashed anybody or never felt bad for something they have said is a damn liar.


I honestly cannot grasp the need to defend and excuse that kind of behavior. I think type1kirk maybe has a point, when he says it's because of some kind of mancrush (for lack of a better word). Because otherwise there is really no rational way, in my opinion, to defend that kind of behavior. I know I sound like a broken record here but people with anger management issues need help not excuses.

[fallensaviour]

I honestly cannot grasp the need to defend and excuse that kind of behavior. I think type1kirk maybe has a point, when he says it's because of some kind of mancrush (for lack of a better word). Because otherwise there is really no rational way, in my opinion, to defend that kind of behavior. I know I sound like a broken record here but people with anger management issues need help not excuses.

Again no excuse,but are you honestly telling me from your heart of hearts that you have never ever yelled at anybody???
Seriously never???
Come on!!!
I'm calling Bull ****** if you say never.
If so then congrats to you,your holiness.

I'm not saying he is right I'm just saying he is human and they have both probably long since moved on with it so take it for what it is.I mean if you hate movies the guy has done because of this that's just ridiculous.

A good movie is a good movie.
I don't hate the road warrior because Mel was a jerk wad.
I could seriously care less about him personally but a good movie is a good movie.

Him yelling at some guy is not going to make me not want to watch terminator 4!!!
I'll watch it and if his acting sucks then I won't watch terminator 5 and 6.

[Werewolf]

Again no excuse,but are you honestly telling me from your heart of hearts that you have never ever yelled at anybody???
Seriously never???
Come on!!!
I'm calling Bull ****** if you say never.
If so then congrats to you,your holiness.

Never to that extreme degree, no. If I had ever spoken to or threatened a co-worker like that I would have been escorted out of the building by security and taken to jail.


I'm not saying he is right I'm just saying he is human and they have both probably long since moved on with it so take it for what it is.I mean if you hate movies the guy has done because of this that's just ridiculous.

Hate the movies he has done? I have not seen any of his movies before because none of them interested me. I only have a passing knowledge of the actor because he was in Batman, which I have not even seen. You are the one coming off as not being able to seperate the behavior from your admiration of his work. I hold everyone to the same stanadard and that behavior, no matter who is doing it, is not acceptable.



I'll watch it and if his acting sucks then I won't watch terminator 5 and 6.

I'm not going to see the movie because I am not into the Terminator movies. I have nothing against the actor and hope he gets help dealing with his anger issues.

The American Psychological Association consider anger issues a serious problem. But it can be controlled and maintained at a healthy level.

Controlling Anger Before it Controls You (http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html)

[Hector]

I like Bale even more now...that tirade was funny as hell...lol...

:smiley1:

[fallensaviour]

You are the one coming off as not being able to separate the behavior from your admiration of his work.

Really!?!?!?!?
I said he was human and his behaviour would not stop me from seeing a movie because he was in it.
I did not say I admired him,Or that I condoned what he did!!!
I just understand the behaviour.
It is easy to get there when you are passionate about something.Family,work,art,...etc,etc.
Or just stressed out.
I am not saying it is at all right,just that it does happen.



I have been angry and verbally lashed people before with no care as to the repercussions of my anger towards them I could have cared less really.Like after I was angry did they go home and take it out on someone there?
Again I didn't know and didn't care.They P!$$3D me OFF I told them so.
I now know and have experienced the other side of things.I have taken anger management courses and have not behaved that way for many years.I never ever threatened to kick somebodies ***** though as a course of my anger.But yes I have also beat people up that deserved it.

I was not spoiled or the centre of the world just angry for a reason that they happened to be a part of at the time.

Now I pause,think about what I would like to convey and then try to move on together in a mutual fashion careful of other peoples feelings.
But if somebody takes a swing or threatens me then game on Grab your arse and kiss it goodbye.I'm going through you like a freight train and years of repressed anger are coming at you with the ability to land.

When he threatened to kick the guys butt I would slapped him around like the little punk he is.
Hopefully they have appologized to each other,and they have both moved on.

Again I understand how it can happen.

[Meule]

I bet this sort of stuff happens daily in Hollywood. And who knows what else happened before he got angry like this. From what I hear this was the second time he got distracted by the light guy. Is that a reason to go nuts like that? No, but like I said, who knows what else happened that day?
Besides, Bale pulls of a mean Batman, so he can go ape**** any day for all I care :grin:

[Meule]

If I had ever spoken to or threatened a co-worker like that I would have been escorted out of the building by security and taken to jail.

They'd hardly take you to jail for yelling at a co-worker. And did Bale really threaten that guy? He yelled at him for sure, but threaten him?

[Earth 2 Chris]

You guys are acting like he came in and mowed down the set with a machine gun. Was he being a jerk? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes. But I'm not going to burn every movie starring Christian Bale just because of this. Russel Crowe is a notorious hothead, who has physically assaulted people, but I usually enjoy his performances too. The fact that Bale has played Batman doesn't sway me one way or another.

Chris

[The Bat]

I for one will admit to losing My temper on more than one ocassion. In fact...atleast once a year, for the the last 23 years at My Job...somebody has pushed My Buttons to the point of Me inviting them outside for what I call...an "Irish Discussion".:grin:

[Gorn Captain]

If this thread goes on much longer, I'm going to get really really mad.
I can feel it coming.....
My God, my shirt is ripping open...
And I'm suddenly wearing purple stretch pants!

[The Bat]

If this thread goes on much longer, I'm going to get really really mad.
I can feel it coming.....
My God, my shirt is ripping open...
And I'm suddenly wearing purple stretch pants!


:smiley1::smiley1:

[The Bat]

Also...you've got to remember, that anyone who dress's up as a Bat...clearly has issue's!

[Hector]

I bet this sort of stuff happens daily in Hollywood. And who knows what else happened before he got angry like this. From what I hear this was the second time he got distracted by the light guy. Is that a reason to go nuts like that? No, but like I said, who knows what else happened that day?
Besides, Bale pulls of a mean Batman, so he can go ape**** any day for all I care :grin:

Amen brother, amen

:yes:

[ctc]

>Too many people have a mancrush on the guy because he's the current Batman.

I don't like Batman. Or Bale. Or action movies.

>I honestly cannot grasp the need to defend and excuse that kind of behavior.

I think you're mistaking "finding a cause of" for "excusing."

>people with anger management issues need help not excuses

True; but you can't actually help until you find what's causing the problem. A lot of the posts seem to go the "there's something wrong with him. He's obviously damaged/just a jerk" route. NOTHING happens without a reason or a cause. If a person is freaking out over something seemingly minor there usually IS something more behind it; and that something doesn't neccessarily have to be a personal defect. But observers like to think there's something inherent to a guy like Bale that makes him go off, that way they don't have to accept that ANYBODY could go off like this. 'Cos of course, I would NEVER behave like that!

....but you COULD. Anybody could. (I think Zimbardo demonstrated that....)

Don C.

[Werewolf]

CTC, since you quoted me twice:

I've made my feelings clear on how I feel about anger management issues as well as my opinion on how our culture deals with these issues. I've also done so in a very sincere, polite and non insulting way. I have nothing more to add to this topic.

[huedell]

Sorry if ressurecting this "touchy" subject is a bad idea...

But I just heard a FAMILY GUY spoof of the tape and I found it hilarious.

I don't condone judgement of the Bale thing being that we weren't there
to witness it (heck, I was so against this thing being public that this is the
first time I ever even HEARD the tape---albeit doctored with Peter Griffin's voice)
BUT
I DO find it just fine to laugh at the spoof:

(Best...or most poignant line, Peter saying : "Do you punch your mother with that mouth?")
http://www.youtube.com/v/VSr1d-1R534&hl=en&fs=1

[Hector]

Sorry if ressurecting this "touchy" subject is a bad idea...

You can't help yourself...it's in your nature.

:smiley1:

[huedell]

You can't help yourself...it's in your nature.

:smiley1:

You KNEW that would hurt--- you troublemaker!:terror::silly::cool_y:

[Hector]

:grin: