List your ten LEAST favorite Superhero films

[Hector]

Oh, here we go!!!

1. Catwoman...oh dear God almighty, Halle Berry should be banned from appearing in movies forever, come on woman, you already played a superchick (Storm). Why this travesty? Oh Sharon Stone, how the mighty have fallen.
2. Batman & Robin...All I'm going to say is that I'm not a big fan of Batbutts and Batnipples, nuff said.
3. Roger Corman's Fantastic Four...I took it easy with this one and only listed it at number three, I'm in a feel good mode right now, lol.
4. Captain America...that stupid motorcycle helmet just killed it for me, or was that the television Captain America one, oh, who really cares anyway.
5. Elektra...yawn.
6. The Punisher (with Dolph Lundgren)...lifeless Lundgren in a lifeless movie (I prefer the remake which I actually liked, lol)
7. Daredevil...the only thing I fear is watching a remake with Ben Affleck again
8. Batman Forever...I just HATE Joel Schumacher (who claims he's a true Batman fan), period.
9. Ghost Rider...Nicholas Cage finally get a superhero role, I hope it's his bloody last one.
10.A tie between Superman III & IV...it did featured the wonderful Chris Reeves but what a couple of disasters for him, so sad.

Dishonorable mention, Spider-Man T.V. movie (but gets a brake because it was not a theatrical film release).

Your turn!

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[Earth 2 Chris]

From least favorite to "it's okay, I guess". Just big screen, super heroes from comics movies.

1. Batman and Robin: The biggest super hero train wreck, full of people who should have known better. I just wish poor Clooney didn't accept the full blame for this. With the right direction and script, he would have been the best of the 3 Batmen of this series, I think. Listen carefully during the "Bat-credit card" scene. You can hear the flushing sound of a multi-million dollar franchise going down the toilet.
2. The Hulk: Whatever this is, it ain't a Hulk movie. There's glimmers of Hulk in there. Bana isn't bad. The desert scene is cool. That's it. An arthouse film with a big budget, and no common sense.
3. Fantastic Four (Corman version): Those poor people. I finally saw this a few months back. It's as bad as the legends say. But they had no budget, so I hold B&R and Hulk more accountable!
4. Catwoman: I haven't actually made it through this one all the way. It's horrid. But I understand they were going for some camp flavor, so it's partially bad on purpose. But that's still no excuse. Berry does look pretty hot though.

5. Superman IV: Reeve got suckered. His budget got slashed. His movie was edited together with a Garden Weasel. He's in at as Superman though, and the farm scenes in Smallville ring true. That's about it.

6. Elektra: It's almost a good movie, then it falls apart at the end. Plus it's just kind of..why? Why make this? Like Catwoman.

7. Batman Returns: Pfiffer ALMOST saves this movie. Her chemsitry with Keaton is good. Devito's Penguin is played well, but he's just too frickin' gross. Burton run lose with licensed characters. He's much better on his own quirky material. Thank God he never got to screw over Superman too.

8. Batman Forever: Once upon a time, I really liked this movie, and I even liked it better than the 89 movie. Kilmer was more appropriately cast as Batman. O'Donnel was fine as an older Robin. The "Dynamic Duo" vibe with them was good. But Carrey ate the scenery, Jones thought he was on the 60s TV show, and Schumacher was starting to think that way. The beginning of the end.

9. Superman III: This movie isn't as bad as folks let on, really. Richard Pryor shouldn't have come within 10 feet of a Superman movie, but the Superman/Clark battle, and Clark/Lana make it worth watching. At least on DVD, where you can skip all the Pryor/Vaughn parts.

10. Batman (1989): I was there guys, so don't flame me too hard for this. I was 14 in 1989. I bought all the Bat-crap. I bought Keaton as Bats at the time. But the movie doesn't hold up. It's sloppily made. Burton was still a bit green maybe, to tackle a flick like this. Nicholson was good as the Joker, even if he was too old and too pudgy, but he rode roughshot all over the title character. Brando and Hackman got top billing in Superman, but Reeve flew away with the movie. The soundtrack is Elfman's best work though.

Chris

[kingdom warrior]

1.Fantastic Four (Corman version)
2.Vampirella
3.Catwoman
4.Captain America
5.Howard the Duck
6.Batman Forever/Batman and Robin
7.All the Crow movies that followed the great first one.
8.Superman 4
9.The Punisher(Dolph Lundren)
10.The Hulk

[huedell]

Least favorite?
I have "non superhero" movies like Memento, Matrix or English Patient or
Dungeons & Dragons or Pluto Nash or Bourne "whatever"---I reallly didn't like those,
and you couldn't pay me to watch 'em again--

As far as actual superhero movies -----I would have to give
only one answer:
Ang Lee's HULK

I mean, I can't think of any others that I really just don't want to watch at all
(out of the ones I've seen)

[palitoy]

1) Captain America (Albert Pyun version)
2) Batman and Robin
3) Batman Forever (nice Joker Tommy Lee Jones)
4) The Hulk
5) Superman 3
6) Catwoman
7) Batman Returns - The Penguin is not a monster Tim Burton
8) Elektra- Who cares?
9) Steel- A 300 pound, 7 foot tall man in a suit of armour running around. Brilliant! Hire a fricking actor next time!
10) Blade 2

[huedell]

"Batman (1989): I was there guys, so don't flame me too hard for this. "

Regardless of the heavy Bataphiles who cringe at things most audiences
wouldn't notice----this movie was one of the biggest
phenonemons of movie history, and, personally, I don't think
you have any reason to be ashamed of enjoying it.

Many of us did.

[toys2cool]

Catwoman sucked ***

Fantastic 4 part 1

Lee's Hulk

wow am I the only one who liked the Punisher with Dolph ? :whistle:

[huedell]

"Catwoman sucked ***"

if only

[Hector]

wow am I the only one who liked the Punisher with Dolph ? :whistle:

Hopefully yes.

:biggrin:

Seriously man, that movie sucks, it makes the remake look like Casablanca.

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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From least favorite to "it's okay, I guess". Just big screen, super heroes from comics movies.

1. Batman and Robin: The biggest super hero train wreck, full of people who should have known better. I just wish poor Clooney didn't accept the full blame for this. With the right direction and script, he would have been the best of the 3 Batmen of this series, I think. Listen carefully during the "Bat-credit card" scene. You can hear the flushing sound of a multi-million dollar franchise going down the toilet.
2. The Hulk: Whatever this is, it ain't a Hulk movie. There's glimmers of Hulk in there. Bana isn't bad. The desert scene is cool. That's it. An arthouse film with a big budget, and no common sense.
3. Fantastic Four (Corman version): Those poor people. I finally saw this a few months back. It's as bad as the legends say. But they had no budget, so I hold B&R and Hulk more accountable!
4. Catwoman: I haven't actually made it through this one all the way. It's horrid. But I understand they were going for some camp flavor, so it's partially bad on purpose. But that's still no excuse. Berry does look pretty hot though.

5. Superman IV: Reeve got suckered. His budget got slashed. His movie was edited together with a Garden Weasel. He's in at as Superman though, and the farm scenes in Smallville ring true. That's about it.

6. Elektra: It's almost a good movie, then it falls apart at the end. Plus it's just kind of..why? Why make this? Like Catwoman.

7. Batman Returns: Pfiffer ALMOST saves this movie. Her chemsitry with Keaton is good. Devito's Penguin is played well, but he's just too frickin' gross. Burton run lose with licensed characters. He's much better on his own quirky material. Thank God he never got to screw over Superman too.

8. Batman Forever: Once upon a time, I really liked this movie, and I even liked it better than the 89 movie. Kilmer was more appropriately cast as Batman. O'Donnel was fine as an older Robin. The "Dynamic Duo" vibe with them was good. But Carrey ate the scenery, Jones thought he was on the 60s TV show, and Schumacher was starting to think that way. The beginning of the end.

9. Superman III: This movie isn't as bad as folks let on, really. Richard Pryor shouldn't have come within 10 feet of a Superman movie, but the Superman/Clark battle, and Clark/Lana make it worth watching. At least on DVD, where you can skip all the Pryor/Vaughn parts.

10. Batman (1989): I was there guys, so don't flame me too hard for this. I was 14 in 1989. I bought all the Bat-crap. I bought Keaton as Bats at the time. But the movie doesn't hold up. It's sloppily made. Burton was still a bit green maybe, to tackle a flick like this. Nicholson was good as the Joker, even if he was too old and too pudgy, but he rode roughshot all over the title character. Brando and Hackman got top billing in Superman, but Reeve flew away with the movie. The soundtrack is Elfman's best work though.

Chris

I love your reviews, lol, good stuff Chris.

:smiley1: :smiley1: :smiley1:

[The Toyroom]

1. The Hulk
2. Catwoman
3. Superman IV
4. Superman III
5. Batman and Robin
6. Batman Forever
7. Daredevil
8. Fantastic Four
9. Fantatsic Four 2
10. Batman Returns

[Goblin19]

I've purposely avoided some of the ones I've heard are the worst (Batman & Robin, Catwoman, Corman's F4, Superman 3 & 4), but here goes.

1. Elektra
2. The Punisher (latest version)
3. Ghost Rider
4. Fantastic 4 (not the Corman)
5. The Punisher (Dolph Lungren version)
None of the rest are terrible, just mediocre
6. X- Men 3
7. Batman Returns
8. Superman Vs. the Mole Men
9. Batman: The Movie
10. The Hulk

[Brue]

In no particular order:

Supergirl
Superman iV
Hulk
Catwoman
Elektra
Blade 3
Batman and Robin (starbuk has this on his favorites?)
The first batman Serial
Captain America Serial
Captain America pilot movie (yes I agree this may not be fair because it was on a TV budget)


PS the corman FF was as good as the piece of c tim story put out in 04.
and the Lundgren punisher was better than the non heroic garbage that jane appeared in.
and Steel was an ejoyable family movie starring a guy who looks the part and loves the character - so i forgive his acting ability and other probs of the movie

There are many otehr really bad supero hero movies that we have all forgotten because they don't carry name brands. we are less forgiving with the characters we love. Think about it - if the movie is a new hero that is good (incredibles) we remember if it is bad (did anyone list super x girlfriend? -this wasn't bad but I myself can't come up with one right now How about Black Scorpion 2?.

[highquality]

Nick Fury: Agent of Shield Hasslehoff Ewww
Hulk
Catwoman
Batman and Robin
Batman Forever
Batman Returns
X-Men 3
Daredevil
Superman 4
Punisher-> Lundgren

[Brue]

8. Superman Vs. the Mole Men


Often mis-titled. It is Superman and the Mole Men
The whole point of the movie was every on eelse was against the mole men Superman wanted to help them.

PS I like this movie - Besides being well made on a shoestring budget, it spawned one of the greatest TV series ever.

[samurainoir]

I think you guys have pretty much covered the spectrum on suckass Superhero movies/tv.

The only things I can think to add are the Generation X and Justice League Pilot movies.

I'm actually suprised that Supergirl doesn't show up on more of your lists.

Technically not Superheroes, but Swamp Thing, Return of the Swamp Thing, Man Thing and Howard the Duck all have their places reserved in cinema-hell.


I recently rewatched Superman III as part of the gigantuan Superman DVD boxset I got for Christmas and I was struck by the fact that it's not a very good Superman film, but it's a pretty decent Richard Pryor movie (if that makes sense). Kind of like George Reeves appearance on I Love Lucy would make an awful episode of the Superman TV show, but was pretty entertaining within the context of I Love Lucy.

Superman IV has been turned into a drink coaster on the coffee table.

[huedell]

"I recently rewatched Superman III as part of the gigantuan Superman DVD boxset I got for Christmas and I was struck by the fact that it's not a very good Superman film, but it's a pretty decent Richard Pryor movie (if that makes sense)"

I don't really feel its a good "Pryor movie" ---as Pryor's talents were quite
dulled down to pass as "family fare"---but I certainly see what you're
getting at.

However, I feel SUPERMAN III is a very nicely made slapstick---or almost
superhero satire/parody type vibe movie ---and Pryor, restrained as he was,
deserves most of the credit for helping the movie achieve that quality

I thnk Schumacher's movies were going for this, but I think they were poor
even at that---all around mediocreness

Actrually, I think SUPERMAN III is one of the best made movies in the
superhero genre, because for the silliness it's trying to portray, it
does better and is more consistent than all other goofy superhero
movies in my opinion---and its Superman and Reeve and Pryor for
cripes sakes. I'm also a fan of the other actors, old and new in
that movie.

SUPERMAN IV:QFP in comparison, takes a very serious subject and gives it
virtually the same goofy treatment, treatment Lester started to inject as
early as SUPERMAN II----anyway SIV:QFP fails on just as many levels as
Schumacher's Batmans IMO ----just creepily bad, again only IMO

And here's the greatest thing SUPERMAN III has to offer IMO...

It's the ONLY superhero movie I've seen that has a good ending
that ties all the movie plots in quite neatly and creatively

As it goes...
On the way to the Smallville Reunion Superman saves Smallville from a
chemical plant meltdown, and as a result when Superman comes to visit
Ricky on his b-day and the town finds about it, they give him a parade,
which is an opportunity for the villains to drop off the "kryptonite"
which turns Superman "bad" giving the villains time to build their
supercomputer and when Superman finally recovers from the kryptonite
effect, he uses "morphing acid" 6to destroy the supercomputer---acid
which he discovered its properties at the chemical plant in the first place

For a silly movie----that's quite a nice series of events

The worst about Superman III IMO, is that it CONTINUES the downward
plunge into comedy that was hardly there in the first movie...yeah...
it was the same cast, and partially the same director of Superman II,
but SIII was basically a different movie from the other two

The fact that it strayed from the comic book? That stuff never bothers me
for that alone....I'm not a religious comic guy.....but.....I do like movies quite
a bit and inconsistency with vibes gets on my nerves a tad

The fact that the Salkinds and afterwards Golan/Globus could never
decide the mood of the Reeve version of the Superman franchise, well,
that's what bothers me the most about SIII...but its not abig thing, and I still
soldier on ;)

Alone from the screwy changes from film to film, SIII is a cute, solid little movie.

[Hector]

I'm actually suprised that Supergirl doesn't show up on more of your lists.

How can you possibly dislike this cuttie pie?

http://static.flickr.com/79/227612443_a2a4b4efa9.jpg

:music-smiley-005:


But yes, good point, Supergirl (whether you like or not) always seems to go under the radar.
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"I recently rewatched Superman III as part of the gigantuan Superman DVD boxset I got for Christmas and I was struck by the fact that it's not a very good Superman film, but it's a pretty decent Richard Pryor movie (if that makes sense)"

I don't really feel its a good "Pryor movie" ---as Pryor's talents were quite
dulled down to pass as "family fare"---but I certainly see what you're
getting at.

However, I feel SUPERMAN III is a very nicely made slapstick---or almost
superhero satire/parody type vibe movie ---and Pryor, restrained as he was,
deserves most of the credit for helping the movie achieve that quality

I thnk Schumacher's movies were going for this, but I think they were poor
even at that---all around mediocreness

Actrually, I think SUPERMAN III is one of the best made movies in the
superhero genre, because for the silliness it's trying to portray, it
does better and is more consistent than all other goofy superhero
movies in my opinion---and its Superman and Reeve and Pryor for
cripes sakes. I'm also a fan of the other actors, old and new in
that movie.

SUPERMAN IV:QFP in comparison, takes a very serious subject and gives it
virtually the same goofy treatment, treatment Lester started to inject as
early as SUPERMAN II----anyway SIV:QFP fails on just as many levels as
Schumacher's Batmans IMO ----just creepily bad, again only IMO

And here's the greatest thing SUPERMAN III has to offer IMO...

It's the ONLY superhero movie I've seen that has a good ending
that ties all the movie plots in quite neatly and creatively

As it goes...
On the way to the Smallville Reunion Superman saves Smallville from a
chemical plant meltdown, and as a result when Superman comes to visit
Ricky on his b-day and the town finds about it, they give him a parade,
which is an opportunity for the villains to drop off the "kryptonite"
which turns Superman "bad" giving the villains time to build their
supercomputer and when Superman finally recovers from the kryptonite
effect, he uses "morphing acid" 6to destroy the supercomputer---acid
which he discovered its properties at the chemical plant in the first place

For a silly movie----that's quite a nice series of events

The worst about Superman III IMO, is that it CONTINUES the downward
plunge into comedy that was hardly there in the first movie...yeah...
it was the same cast, and partially the same director of Superman II,
but SIII was basically a different movie from the other two

The fact that it strayed from the comic book? That stuff never bothers me
for that alone....I'm not a religious comic guy.....but.....I do like movies quite
a bit and inconsistency with vibes gets on my nerves a tad

The fact that the Salkinds and afterwards Golan/Globus could never
decide the mood of the Reeve version of the Superman franchise, well,
that's what bothers me the most about SIII...but its not abig thing, and I still
soldier on ;)

Alone from the screwy changes from film to film, SIII is a cute, solid little movie.

Superman, Superman 2, are great, Superman Returns is solid as well (destined to become more loved over the years), Supergirl was bad but had an extremely likeable actress in Helen Slater.

But sorry, both Superman III & IV sucked way back then, they still suck now, and will suck a thousand years from now.

[huedell]

"But sorry, both Superman III & IV sucked way back then, they still suck now, and will suck a thousand years from now."

You're entitled to your opinion Hector---

But at least we agree on two things----

1.) SUPERMAN IV is absolutely horrible
***I still watch it from time to time for Hackman/Reeve***

2.) Helen Slater is hot
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Here's an addendum to my post----

1. As crazy as this sounds---I don't really like ANY superhero movies
all that much when compared to other movies to begin with (which is
probably why I appreciate SIII's clever ending as much as I do, as
superhero movies rarely have clever endings)

also...

2. I would think anyone that appreciated the "Adam West" Batman tone
and/or the Schumacher films would think that Superman III was heads
and tails above those other superhero projects as far as superhero comedies go

[Hector]

Of course as a comedy, Superman IV is one of the funniest movies of all times, I mean...

"Look ma', I'm unaffected by the lack of breathable atmosphere and air pressure!!!"
http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm6663792217059.jpg

:smiley1:

[huedell]

Yeah---that gal in space sans spacesuit was a stretch---to say the least
----ya gotta wonder what was going on in their heads---other than "farce"
which is basically the direction the Superman movies degraded into

I just remembered something tho----I thought the scene where
Lois visited "sick" Clark in his apartment and kinda said her "goodbyes" to him
almost as if he might die--- without revealing directly that she knew he was
Supes was pretty touching

(I can't believe I admitted that on this thread!) :)

[thunderbolt]

1 Batman And Robin
2 Steel
3 Daredevil
4 Spider-Man 2
5 X3
6 Ghost Rider nice effin' rug, Nic!!
7 Howard the Duck I know, its not superhero, but it is a Marvel character
8 Barb Wire
9 Judge Dredd
10 Punisher the new Thomas Jane one.
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^^^ I'm only counting movies I actually watched.

[Meule]

1. Batman and Robin
2. Batman Forever
3. Catwoman
4. Hulk
5. Spiderman 2
6. Daredevil
7. Superman IV
8. Nick Fury

Haven't seen the FF or Ghost Rider yet, so I can't comment on those, but seeing how many people hate them, I probably will too then

[Earth 2 Chris]

I somehow forgot Supergirl in amongst both lists. I haven't seen it in 20 years, so I'll just say it's either inbetween both lists, or towards the better end of the "least favorite" list.

Chris

[Brue]

One mentioned that I didn't see because it looks sooo bad - Man thing

one (comic but not hero movie) that i saw that was reallly bad - Constantine.


on the Superman 3 discussion- Pryor was horrible. The story was dumb. The ending was bad. Other than otoole the cast was rotten.

Reeve was brilliant. The dual between clark and supes was classic. Lana and the smallville scene was great -this left some inspiration (I think) for the smallville show.

[The Bat]

Batman(1989)-Keaton Totally RUIN'S it for Me.
Batman Returns
Batman Forever(like Kilmer & Jim Carrey though!)
Batman and Robin
X-Men 3(Horrible...to bad for Word's)
Fantastic Four(if They only got Doom right, and The Thing Should have been CGI)
Superman 3
Superman 4
Electra(Mila Jovich Should have been Electra)
The Phantom

P.S. I couldn't count Catwoman...because I couldn't watch more than 5 minute's of it.(too PAINFUL!)

[ctc]

>9 Judge Dredd

I was waitin' for someone to mention this one! If you've never read the comic it was just a bad...bad.... BAD movie. If you've read the comic it was the most painful thing you'll ever force your optic organs to endure!

Don C.

[txteach]

I can't believe anyone put the new punisher movie on their list. I really enjoyed it.

1. Judge Dredd ewwwww
2. Hulk
3.Captain America
4. Kazaam (that crappy shac movie)
5. Superman 4
6. Superman 3
7. Flash Gordon
8. Catwoman
9. Swamp Thing
10. Barb Wire

[The Bat]

[QUOTE=txteach;15967]I can't believe anyone put the new punisher movie on their list. I really enjoyed it.


I liked it too, Tom James was GREAT! But I thought it should have had more ACTION! The pacing isn't good...too many slow part's. They needed a better Director.

[Goblin19]

Oh yeah, I forgot Judge Dredd. That would be in my top 5 or 6 for sure.

[Brue]

Hey! I think Judge Dredd is fine.
Tomas Jane Punisher? - not top ten worst but definitely not a movie worth watching twice. Dredd as well as many other "bad" nominees are far more entertaining than this. I can actually see people liking this movie for a bad shoot 'em up movie but is is not in the category of Super Hero. Lundgren's verson at least made me feel like he was a hero and Lundgren was better in the role.

[boynightwing]

10. Spiderman 3 (it did have its moments but ugh...)
9. X3 (oh look, its Scott's glasses! He must be okay, its not like he NEEDS them or anything.)
8. Superman 3 (scared the pants off me as a child when she turned into a borg or whatever)
7. the Crow 3 (predictable and boring. The only scene worth while was sewing Kirsten Dunsts mouth shut)
6. Hulk (when I went to see this there was a kid sitting a few seats away. Part way threw the movie he started crying and asked his dad where the Hulk was. I wanted to ask that kids dad the same thing...)
5. Batman Forever (I can't watch it because everytime I do, someone I know gets hurt. I think its cursed. Also it sucked hard core)
4. Ninja Turtles 2 (go ninja go ninja rap!)
3. Elektra (It was awesome for the first 5 minutes when that guy was explaining that no matter where on Earth he went, he wasn't safe from her. Then it was all down hill.)
2. Batman and Robin (They should be ashamed of themselves for making this movie.)
1. Catwoman (strangely I haven't actually seen the whole thing. I kept turning it off in anger.)

[thunderbolt]

Man, am I the only one that hated Steel???

[boynightwing]

Actually no, I hated Steel too. I just forgot about it. Also I hated Ghostrider. I'll take Spidey 3 off my list and add that one instead. Then I'll lump Batman Forever/Batman Robin together as one long terrible movie to make room for Steel. :sunny_y:

[The Bat]

Man, am I the only one that hated Steel???


Nope! I hated it too...just didn't think of it.:yuk:

[Hector]

I can't believe anyone put the new punisher movie on their list. I really enjoyed it.

I like it too, easily the most hardcore Marvel comic-based film.
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Man, am I the only one that hated Steel???

I place that one on a category of its own...all by itself.

:smiley1:
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Thunderbolt and Meule, why the hate on Spidey 2?

I thought that was a kickass movie, by far the best of the three.
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Haven't seen the FF or Ghost Rider yet, so I can't comment on those, but seeing how many people hate them, I probably will too then

I really enjoyed FF 2, give it a chance...but skip Ghost Rider altogether, it really does suck.

[thunderbolt]

Spidey two had too much torn mask Pete, and one of those comic book movie coincidences that bug me. Octavius working for Oscorp. Why does everything have to be tied in to everything else in a movie? Are we too stupid to get it otherwise??

[Hector]

Those two things you mentioned didn't bother me one bit about Spidey 2, Thunderbolty.

:smiley1:

[MegoMonk]

Batman returns- a rich couple throws their deformed baby in the sewer, where it is raised by evil clowns and penguins. At age 40 the now grown-still-deformed baby crawls out of the sewer...and runs for mayor! ***???
Both Punisher movies were awful.
Superman 4 - could have been on MST3K, the fight scenes look like something from a japanese monster movie. Maybe Reeves should have insisted on a good script, instead of anti-nuclear propaganda.

Outside of these I liked, loved, or tolerated almost every superhero movie i have seen.

[joshvox]

I don't think I can think of ten, although there certainly are that many and more that are that bad. Batman and Robin however, is on its own as the worst superhero movie ever. I saw catwoman, it was awful, but not as bad as B&R.

[huedell]

"Octavius working for Oscorp. Why does everything have to be tied in to everything else in a movie? Are we too stupid to get it otherwise??"

Not only do I agree with Hector, as in it didn't bother me----I'll go one further

It's easier to write the movie with Ock working for Oscorp---and, frankly, I
think its a good idea---as the farther things are disconnected plot wise,
the harder it is for movies to run along smoothly overall

I don't go to movies (or indulge any other art form) to rack my brain following
it---I just don't. It's one thing to have a movie that raises alot of
philosophical questions----its another thing to have a movie where you have
to keep a scorecard to follow everything going on.
i.e. "Batsaviour" Nolan's Memento, possibly one of the biggest wastes of
time to hit the big screen in my opinion

Again, I think there has a be a line drawn to staying "true to the comics"
-----you should watch that you don't do that at the expense of the movie
---and you should watch closely ;)

A lot of these "worst" movie picks, I'm seeing are being rated thru a
weird prism in my opinion--- because of reasons of lack of
"comicbook accuracy"---I think that's unfair many times, as the given movie
is for a movie auddience and not a loyal comicbook audience

Still, these ARE just opinions afterall...like...
I think Batman & Robin was bad because the plot wasn't interesting and the
dialogue sloppy----not because Batgirl wasn't Barbra Gordon..that's just me

While, on the other hand,
as far as what Brue said regarding SUPERMAN III's plot and ending
sucking----well, for farce flick it was MORE than good----
I sure as heck think it beats chasing two missiles down
and when one unfortunately explodes, GOING BACK IN TIME and thereby fixing
the whole main dilemma of the main characters i.e. SUPERMAN THE MOTION PICTURE

....yeah I think Superman III is a better movie than S:TMP...not by a lot...
and some of that probably because I don't think S:TMP is the masterpiece
its made out to be in the first place

Then again----those two Superman movies may share a lot of the same
production aspects, most notably the cast---but their TONE is TOTALLY
different...as if they weren't even in the same series

If Superman III was a saturday morning cartoon or an obvious farce type
project, people wouldn't be nearly as hard on it, is my belief

[thunderbolt]

I'm not a continuity nitpick, I just don't like the fact that in a world of a bazillion people, all the characters of a given movie have some tie, like its a 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon thing. Spidey 2 to me was just not that good. The Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head sequence was really annoying, too. I didn't see 3, or I bet that would have taken the Spidey spot on my list. I limited it to movies I actually saw.

[huedell]

I can understand anyone having a problem with any of these movies
pretty easily, including Spidey 2, especially for the reasons you gave T-bolt
even if I don't agree with them, as, frankly, I don't think superhero movies
have translated that well to the screen ever to begin with

Timm's DCU TV stuff seems to nail it better than any movie ever has

and, BTW,
Hate to bag on SPIDER-MAN 3 as I thought it was pretty dang good---
but that "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" sequence was like candy
compared to the overwrought Parker strut/dance sequence that was
unwisely reprised in another form in the MJ/Gwen jazz club scene

[Wolverine1969]

Only came up with 7.....

Catwoman
Elektra
Punisher (Dolph Lundgren)
Captain America
Superman III and IV
Batman & Robin
Hulk

[huedell]

Only came up with 7.....

Catwoman
Elektra
Punisher (Dolph Lundgren)
Captain America
Superman III and IV
Batman & Robin
Hulk

With all respect, that's 8

[Wolverine1969]

Sorry, forgive me please.

[huedell]

Sorry, forgive me please.

Just bored and playing "thread monitor" is all ;)

[Brue]

So I have attempted to tally the votes (in the previous post from members). I did not weight them by list order since some did not order and some listed fewer than 10 or changed as we went.
Standing head and shoulders above the rest:

1 Hulk 13
2 B & R 12
3 Catwoman 12
4 Superman IV 11

The first 2 had massive budgets and A list characters and still bombed.

The other "winners" are:

5 Batman Forever 8
6 Superman III 7
7 Batman Returns 7
8 Elektra 6
9 Punisher (lungren) 6
10 X-3 5

I am pretty sure expectations of The other "winners" had someting to do with votes
For instance are they all worse than the first Reb Brown TV Cap America?

At any rate I am with the majority on 1 - 4 and 8

I love Bat Forever and think most people did -until batman and robin came out and wil forever be tied to that piece of...

Bat Returns and X-3 were fine in my book

and I think the punisher (lund) met my expectations but I can see why it makes many worst lists

[thunderbolt]

^^^ Well anything at the theatre should be better than a made for TV movie like the Cap ones. The Lundgren Punisher is a B Movie and should be looked at like that instead of a big budget flop like Batman and Robin.

[ctc]

>Hey! I think Judge Dredd is fine.

So... you haven't actually SEEN it yet, I guess?

Sad thing about Dredd; Demolition Man was a LOT more like Dredd than the Dredd film.

Don C.

[Boris71]

did no one hate man-thing the movie?

[ctc]

>did no one hate man-thing the movie?

I did! Well... to be honest; I was more boggled by it than anything. It was REALLY cartoony, but they were trying SO hard to make it "grown up." (With all the swearing and such...)

Focus people, focus!

Don C.

[filmation batman fan]

1: Superman IV: The Quest For Peace: I read in Christopher Reeve's biography that Golan Globus literally ran out of money during filming, so the way it was edited, Reeve said it was un unfinished project

2: Batman and Robin: I don't hate this movie. I actually like some elements of it. But for the most part, Joel Schumacher trashed what could have been a great movie. With a title like Batman and Robin, I had high expectations. The only part I like the best is the rocket and sky surfing bit. But that's all.

3: Hulk: Nuff said. You can't beat the TV series with Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno. I only want to see another Hulk movie just to see if it will get the rest of the TV series on DVD.

4: X2 and X3:

5: Roger Corman version of the Fantastic Four

6: Elektra

7: Catwoman: Sucked bad, it makes Batman and Robin look good. If it ain't Selina Kyle, it ain't the real Catwoman. I rest my case.

8: Captain America: Every media version I have seen sucks!!!

9: Superman III: I only liked the battle between evil Superman and Clark Kent. Otherwise, stay away from it.

10: Batman Returns: Tim Burton got too carried away with his vision. The Penguin was too grotesque. Gotham City looked more like the Nightmare before Edward Beetlejuice Scissorhands.
Cheers.

[thunderbolt]

>did no one hate man-thing the movie?

I did! Well... to be honest; I was more boggled by it than anything. It was REALLY cartoony, but they were trying SO hard to make it "grown up." (With all the swearing and such...)

Focus people, focus!

Don C.


Don't even understand why they bothered calling it Man-Thing, its so far from the source material. I did like that the crazy monster hunter guy was named Ploog, tho. That was a nice tip of the hat.

[goldenryan]

never saw man-thing , it sounds bad but w/e it's marvel.

[Riffster]

1) Hulk- too much analizing why he was so angry
2)Fantastic Four 2- that was Galactus?
3)Electra- boring to say the least
4)Spirit- I liked parts of it but as a whole nope...
5)Superman 3- Really? Richard Pryor?
6)Spidey 3- no more emo Parker
7)Old Fantastic Four - just horrilbe
8)70's Captain America- kinda boring
9) Wonder Woman- Cathey what's her name was horrible
10)Catwoman- How'd they screwed up a movie with Halle Berry dressed like that makes me cry
9)

[goldenryan]

catwoman now that one looked like a stinker.:yuk: c'mon guys the 80's punisher is sweet it's not the godfather but what comic-book movie is.
i haven't watch it in a while but i'd imagine the dialog is like this
police captain: What are you going to do when you find them, Castle?
Doplh: they will be punished!! :biggrin: