Chris Benoit and wife found dead

[Hector]

We are still awaiting further details, but PWInsider.com is extremely saddened to report that former WWE and WCW World champion Chris Benoit and his wife, former WCW and ECW personality Nancy "Woman" Benoit were both found dead today in Atlanta, Georgia. Obviously this will be a huge developing story in the days to come but at this point, we'd like to express our deepest condolences to the Benoits' family, friends, and fans at this time.

A meeting is currently ongoing at WWE TV and it is expected that tonight's three hour Raw will now be dedicated to Benoit's memory.

6:09 Update: WWE.com issued the following statement this afternoon: "WWE is sad to report that Chris Benoit and his family have been found dead in their home. Police are currently investigating the circumstances surrounding the deaths. Tonight's Raw will be a tribute to Chris and his family."



I just got this from another site, I went to Wikipedia, and indeed, he's gone along with his wife:

http://www.kehoe73.freeserve.co.uk/wifebenoit.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit

These young deaths just seem to never stop in the world of pro wrestling.

[toys2cool]

***???!!!? I can't believe this man,this really sucks dude.He was still one of the best wrestlers around,I'm really in shock with this one

RIP

[Mikey]

I never cared for him but my nephew is going to be stunned when he hears this.
He's a big 4 horseman fan and has met Benoit many times.

[Customslab]

R.I.P. TO HIM and his family

[Hulk]

Wow, that is shocking. Looks like not only his wife, but his 7 year old son is dead as well. Apparently he didn't show up for the PPV last night, and they blamed personal reasons, but it makes you wonder if there was something up that WWE knew about or they were just covering for him when he failed to show up or contact them.

Apparently there weren't any gunshots, which makes you wonder what happened. Carbon Monoxide poisoning comes to mind.

His lack of ability on the mike definitely held him back, but he did pretty well for a smaller guy. He was possibly the best technical wrestler in the WWE.

[Bizarro Amy]

I just glanced at a few articles and it looks like they're leaning toward homicide. Wonder what happened...

[Hector]

Benoit was probably the second best pure technical wrestler out there after Kurt Angle.

It's going to be a very uneasy show tonight on Raw, not only because of Benoit and his family's tragic deaths, but because tonight was supposed to be the mock tribute of McMahon's supposeded death. This will teach McMahon to hopefully stop coming up with these idiotic "death" storylines, especially in a business where death occurs for real amongst wrestlers in a very frequent manner.

I hate Vince McMahon, he's the friggin' anti-Christ.

[Mikey]

One of the news said he complained his whole family was sick and they were all coughing up blood.
Would CM do that ?
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Hector,
Did you see Raw yet on the west coast yet ?

Vince came on from the start and said he was done with his dead storyline because of this.

The whole Raw is devoted to Benoit.

[Marvelmania]

Totally shocked. Very sad news.

[JDeRouen]

I'm speechless. Benoit was my absolute favorite wrestler, and seemed like a really good guy to boot.

[Hector]

One of the news said he complained his whole family was sick and they were all coughing up blood.
Would CM do that ?
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Hector,
Did you see Raw yet on the west coast yet ?

Vince came on from the start and said he was done with his dead storyline because of this.

The whole Raw is devoted to Benoit.

Not yet, Mike, Raw comes in about an hour hour from now.

As much as I hate McMahon, I have to give him some credit for immediately dropping his own death storyline and pay respects to Benoit and his family.

[toys2cool]

Not yet, Mike, Raw comes in about an hour hour from now.

As much as I hate McMahon, I have to give him some credit for immediately dropping his own death storyline and pay respects to Benoit and his family.

It's the least he could do

[The Toyroom]

Holy crap! That's just sad...and a little creepy. According to Wikipedia:


Fayette County, Georgia police are investigating Benoit's house following the discovery of the bodies, and no details have been released other than to announce that none of the three were shot or stabbed to death, and it is being investigated as a possible murder-suicide

I hate to think that's what happened to that poor 7 year old boy.

[Marvelmania]

WOW just saw on Fox news that police are speculating that Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend and then commited suicide today. Really hoping this is not true.

[Hector]

Holy smokes.

I'll reserve judgement until the entire truth comes out.

[MegoSteve]

This is horrible. Who would have thought less than three and a half years after Wrestlemania XX, both Benoit and Guerrero would be dead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WMXXBenoitGuerrero.jpg

[The Toyroom]

From the AP:


Detective Bo Turner told television station WAGA that the case was being treated as a murder-suicide, but said that couldn't be confirmed until evidence was examined by a crime lab.

The station said that investigators believe the 40-year-old Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, and 7-year-old son, Daniel, over the weekend, then himself on Monday. A neighbor called police, and the bodies were found in three rooms.

Lead investigator Lt. Tommy Pope, of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department, told The Associated Press the deaths were being investigated as homicide, and that the causes of death awaited autopsy results on Tuesday. Pope said the bodies were discovered about 2:30 p.m., but refused to release details.


That's freakin' chilling....it's what I suspected but I really don't want to believe it.

[JDeRouen]

I don't want to believe it either. Boy, I think I'm finally through watching wrestling.

[Hulk]

When I read that he had left the tour for "personal reasons" that pretty much conviinced me my theory of Carbon Monoxide poisoning was out the door. Maybe some other sort of poisoning, unless, and I shudder to think, he did it with his bare hands.

This is senseless. I'm not sure if I can even watch Raw tonight.

When Vince started this I'm Dead storyline, my first thought was he better wrap it up quickly before someone dies. When Sherry Martel died last week, and they buried the silent tribute to her in the middle of the shows, I figured he got off lightly.

If Benoit did this, he will have disappointed a lot of fans that saw him as being somewhat above the stupidity of the storylines.

[JDeRouen]

Apparently he didn't leave, but rather never showed up. He kept rescheduling his flight, and finally canceled it, and called WWE and said his wife and son were coughing up blood. But this is only what I've read. There seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there.

[kept back]

I know that Benoit left a house show Saturday because his wife and son were sick(coughing up blood). If they were both gone when he arrived home, that could be enough to push anyone over the edge towards harming themselves. I'm just numb right now. I don't think I can handle anymore wrestler deaths. Mike "Road Warrior Hawk" Hegstrand, Ray "Big Bossman" Trailer, Curt Hennig, Miss Elizabeth, Rick Rude, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart...it just keeps going on and on. Keep hearing U2's Bono..."I can't believe the news today. I can't close my eyes and make it go away." Sorry. Been a huge wrestling fan over the years and all of these losses really hit me hard.

[JDeRouen]

Sorry. Been a huge wrestling fan over the years and all of these losses really hit me hard.

No need to apologize, I feel the same way. I really admired Benoit and no matter how it all turns out, I'll miss seeing him on my television screen.

Joe

[ShadowAvenger]

Very sad news :(

[JDeRouen]

They're now saying that they think he killed Nancy and Daniel over the weekend and came back Monday and killed himself. I really hope this isn't true.

[The Toyroom]

WWE.com is confirming that it's a "double murder-suicide from within the home"...very sad turn of events.

[Mikey]

WWE is saying it's a murder/suicide

I don't think they'd say that if they didn't know for sure ....

http://www.wwe.com/

m

[Hulk]

Hard to believe that WWE is the authoratative word on this, but I am guessing they have a pretty good inside line. The rumors will continue to swirl. I wonder why they haven't released the timeline of whether he left the tour or just called from home saying he couldn't be there. Reports from before the announcement clearly say he left because of a family emergency.

[Mikey]

BTW, if the WWE knew it was a double murder suicide, I don't think they should have done that raw tribute.

If it is true, he doesn't deserve a tribute.

[Hector]

If Benoit did indeed kill both his wife and seven year old child.....

Man, I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but God help him if he.....

Well, I'll keep it to myself for now.
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BTW, if the WWE knew it was a double murder suicide, I don't think they should have done that raw tribute.

If it is true, he doesn't deserve a tribute.

Agreed.

[Hulk]

Lead investigator Lt. Tommy Pope, of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department, told The Associated Press the deaths were being investigated as homicide, and that the causes of death awaited autopsy results on TuesdayWell hopefully we won't have to wait weeks on end for toxicology reports. Sounds like they have a pretty clear idea of how they died, and now its probably a matter of piecing together when they died. 24 hours for autopsy results in 3 deaths is pretty quick.

[MegoSteve]

It's just a shame.

What's chilling was that on RAW tonight, Chavo Guerrero talked about how he spoke with Benoit the day before he died (Benoit died today or yesterday, so the conversation either took place Saturday or Sunday), and that Benoit said, "I love you, Chavo."

The police are speculating that Benoit murdered his wife Saturday. So, while his wife lay dead in his house, Benoit was on the phone with Chavo.

[VintageMike]

I hope the autopsies reveal something new. I'm waiting for that until making any furthur judgement. This is just so horrible.

[GeneralApeGuy]

Oh, no..... that's horrible!

[Hector]

Oh, my GOD!!!!!!!!! I hope that is NOT true!!!

I'm a big fan of Chris Benoit, I can't believe he's gone with his family!

Maybe they're hiding him and his family from the Wrestling fans, is Chris wanted to retired and don't wanted to let the fans knows if he's back in the future????

Come on, Pat.

[GeneralApeGuy]

never mind....

[thunderbolt]

Oh, my GOD!!!!!!!!! I hope that is NOT true!!!

I'm a big fan of Chris Benoit, I can't believe he's gone with his family!

Maybe they're hiding him and his family from the Wrestling fans, is Chris wanted to retired and don't wanted to let the fans knows if he's back in the future????


Wow, I can't believe you could even think this is a fake.

[Hulk]

It's real Pat. He and his family are dead. The police don't make up stories like this. You've been watching too much wrestling.

[Meule]

We don't get wrestling anymore here, but I remember Benoit from a couple of years ago, good wrestler. But if he really killed his wife and son... well... :please:
A tribute hardly seems in place here


Oh, my GOD!!!!!!!!! I hope that is NOT true!!!

I'm a big fan of Chris Benoit, I can't believe he's gone with his family!

Maybe they're hiding him and his family from the Wrestling fans, is Chris wanted to retired and don't wanted to let the fans knows if he's back in the future????

That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard :rolleyes:

[Hulk]

After seeing all the wrestlers talk about how much family meant to him, its hard to believe he could do that, but there was a definite vibe of uncertainty going on during the interviews. Quiet, loner, etc, etc.

As far as doing the tribute, without a definitive answer, the WWE was stuck having to do the tribute, especially after Owen and Eddie. The fact they cancelled the entire show, turning away a packed house was a change. Maybe it was just too much, or they were afraid news might break before or even during the show. Vince doesn't throw that kind of money away lightly.

[toys2cool]

wow just heard about the murder suicide thing,that's just crazy.I hope that wasn't case,but we'll see

[mitchedwards]

Just heard the news this morning.

Very sad to hear its presumed to be a murder suicide.

[The Toyroom]

Maybe they're hiding him and his family from the Wrestling fans, is Chris wanted to retired and don't wanted to let the fans knows if he's back in the future????

WOW! Are you kidding me? You can't possibly believe that this is a "work"...

[Earth 2 Chris]

This is real, unfortunately. Even McMahon couldn't and hopefully wouldn't pull something this tasteless.

I haven't watched wrestling in several years, but this blows my mind. I hope Benoit didn't do it, but either way, that poor kid...

Stuff like this really tears me up. For gods' sake just leave if you're that miserable.

Chris

[Mikey]

None of Vinces storylines (including his own "death") were ever picked up by the national news.

The one thing that stands out in my mind......
Last night on RAW one of the wresters mentioned how well behaved and respectful Benoit's kid was.
He would always use terms like "Sir" etc.

I dunno,
All 7 year old kids are hell raisers.
If a kid acts that "good" at that age, that makes me think he's afraid as hell of something.

Perhaps this incident was the end result of somethng bad that's been going on for years.

[VintageMike]

There are supposed to be details coming out later today. Additional information has already been given to WWE but they've been asked not to relase it by the investigators.
In WWE's defense, they murder-suicide detials did not come out until after the show was already over. I think they made the best possible decision with the information they had at the time.

[Wee67]

Just a small addition to the info- Investigators say they have recovered the "instruments" of death. I have heard that it was not a gun, but I did not see anything about the possibility of a knife. That also leaves the possibility of blunt force trauma. All the deaths are a tragedy, but the thought of the child's death just makes me shudder.

I'm hearing there is some sort of connection with Martel's death. Very unclear and still far from confirmed. How did she die? Is there some sort of known connection between her and Benoit?

I have not followed wrestling in a long while, so forgive my question if it is out of line. Has the recent deaths here been tied together with any possible connection? I know one of the side effects of streroid abuse can be depression. Have these deaths been suicides or unusual health incidents (heart attack at young age, etc.)?

[JDeRouen]

I'm hearing there is some sort of connection with Martel's death. Very unclear and still far from confirmed. How did she die? Is there some sort of known connection between her and Benoit?

Other than them both being Canadian, none that I can recall.

[Mikey]

It does seem a good deal of wrestlers that have been dying lately are Canadian.

[mitchedwards]

I've been out of watching wrestling since WCW folded. So whats the deal about Vince McMahons death?

[Mikey]

He had a storyline where he was in his limo and it blew up......

WHO DID IT ?

That was the story.

[toys2cool]

Just a small addition to the info- Investigators say they have recovered the "instruments" of death. I have heard that it was not a gun, but I did not see anything about the possibility of a knife. That also leaves the possibility of blunt force trauma. All the deaths are a tragedy, but the thought of the child's death just makes me shudder.

I'm hearing there is some sort of connection with Martel's death. Very unclear and still far from confirmed. How did she die? Is there some sort of known connection between her and Benoit?

I have not followed wrestling in a long while, so forgive my question if it is out of line. Has the recent deaths here been tied together with any possible connection? I know one of the side effects of streroid abuse can be depression. Have these deaths been suicides or unusual health incidents (heart attack at young age, etc.)?

Haven't heard about a connection with these two either,but you never know.They were only a few days apart.

[katt2005]

While not a big fan of WWE, it is sad that this has happened. RIP

[Wee67]

TMZ.com, the entertainment website that is usually pretty reliable, is saying his wife was strangled, the son was suffocated and Benoit hanged himself in a weightroom.

[Marvelmania]

Just heard the same news on CNN.

[The Toyroom]

According to the AP, from Fox News:


FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room, a law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press Tuesday.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Authorities also said they are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Benoit, his wife and their 7-year-old son who were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide.

Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said test results may not be back for weeks or even months.

Autopsies were scheduled Tuesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in DeKalb County.

The bodies were found Monday afternoon in three separate rooms of the house, off a gravel road about two miles from the Whitewater Country Club.

Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell did not return calls seeking comment. The answering service for his funeral home said he was out of town.

Authorities also declined to say whether drugs or steroids were found inside the house. "We're not releasing any information as far as what was located inside the house," sheriff's Sgt. Keith Whiteside said Tuesday.

Asked about the condition of the interior of the house, Whiteside said investigators found "nothing really out of the ordinary." He said Benoit was found in the home's weight room, his wife in an office and the son in an upstairs bedroom.

Whiteside said toxicology tests could take up to a week or longer to complete.

Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle.

"They were nice," said Lorre Jones, who lives across the street. Her daughter Alaina said: "We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm."

Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at the Benoits' gate Tuesday.

"I saw him with his family all the time," said Baswell. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people."

World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., said it had been asked by authorities not to release further information on the deaths.

Benoit, born in Montreal, was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles. His names in the ring included "The Canadian Crippler."

"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the company said in a statement on its Web site.

Benoit had maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling. The Fayette County Tax Assessors Office lists the value of the house, situated on more than 8.5 acres, at nearly $900,000.

The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.

Benoit's wife managed several wrestlers and went by the stage name "Woman," The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. They met when her then-husband drew up a script that had them involved in a relationship as part of a story line on World Championship Wrestling, the newspaper said.

Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship.

Benoit became a standout at an early age among wrestling prospects who trained in the dungeon basement of the house where fellow Canadians and professional wrestlers Owen and Bret Hart trained. Owen Hart was killed during a wrestling event in 1999.

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said Bret Hart, a five-time champion with the now-defunct World Wrestling Federation.

Something must've made him snap beyond all reason...

[Hulk]

I would find it hard to believe that he wasn't on steroids, so this will likely be remembered as a Roid Rage story, no matter what the circumstances behind it.

[jwyblejr]

TMZ.com, the entertainment website that is usually pretty reliable, is saying his wife was strangled, the son was suffocated and Benoit hanged himself in a weightroom.

Yeah,that's the one where they said she killed the kid,Benoit killed her for it,then killed himself. It's sad no matter what the results are.

[Mikey]

If the guy really did kill his kid and wife-------- I have NO sympathy for HIM whatsoever ...... drugs or no drugs ....

If it's true, the guy is TRASH ....... and should be remembered as such....

[toys2cool]

wow I remember his wife back in the late 80's early 90's as a cute manager,this is so sad.I don't know what could drive someone to do this to his family or her if if she did it

[Hector]

If the guy really did kill his kid and wife-------- I have NO sympathy for HIM whatsoever ...... drugs or no drugs ....

If it's true, the guy is TRASH ....... and should be remembered as such....

Agreed. If it's true, may he rot in hell for eternity.

Wife and child rest in peace.

[Mikey]

wow I remember his wife back in the late 80's early 90's as a cute manager,this is so sad.I don't know what could drive someone to do this to his family or her if if she did it

I'm pretty sure he's divorced from that wife----- and those kids are already grown up.

The news said he was divorced (with kids) and remarried.

[Customslab]

None of Vinces storylines (including his own "death") were ever picked up by the national news.

The one thing that stands out in my mind......
Last night on RAW one of the wresters mentioned how well behaved and respectful Benoit's kid was.
He would always use terms like "Sir" etc.

I dunno,
All 7 year old kids are hell raisers.
If a kid acts that "good" at that age, that makes me think he's afraid as hell of something.

Perhaps this incident was the end result of somethng bad that's been going on for years.

no some kids are raised to have respect
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I'm pretty sure he's divorced from that wife----- and those kids are already grown up.

The news said he was divorced (with kids) and remarried.

no this is the one his wife was a manager when they met at wcw in the 90's
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to me the thing wwe did last night makes them look like trash they should have waited to see what was said, don't do a show for a killer

[JDeRouen]

That's a little unfair. They had the airtime, they had to fill it, and they did the best thing they could possibly have done under the circumstances. If all this has been discovered the day before, I seriously doubt they would have run the tribute show. But you do what you have to do with the information you have on hand, and I think they made the right decision based on limited choices.

[Mikey]

[QUOTE=Customslab;15654]no some kids are raised to have respect
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Ok, whatever

[JDeRouen]

The whole thing is just depressing.

[Meule]

If the guy really did kill his kid and wife-------- I have NO sympathy for HIM whatsoever ...... drugs or no drugs ....

If it's true, the guy is TRASH ....... and should be remembered as such....

Amen to that

[Hulk]

I think he must have been whacked out on more than 'roids. He supposedly killed his wife on Friday, his son a day or more later, then himself on Monday. It would be shocking whether the guy was famous or not.

[The Toyroom]

The whole thing is grisly, gruesome and just plain disturbing....*** goes on with all of these WWF guys dying young is tragic. And if you notice, it used to be the 80s stars but now it's creeping up into the 90s wrestlers. You never heard of this with the old-old-school wrestlers like Sammartino, Backlund, Morales. Obviously some correlation must be made between these early deaths and the drugs/steroids still involved in the business, whether they admit it or not.

[MegoSteve]

Oddly enough, a post I made on Metafilter.com was just quoted on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution web site:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/26/0626metfans.html

The media's started to pick up the ball and run with it with regards to the possible steroid connection. Not surprisingly, VKM is already on the defensive, issuing a press release about media sensationalism and speculation about the steroid/HGH connection.

[Customslab]

thats one thing most don't understand about wrestling is how much it kills your body most of the guys over 40 or pushing 40 are on pain pills,roids,upers,downers,pot what ever make them feel good if they all had to take a drug test like they do in the summer games the o, 98.9 prob. would fell the drug test,this sport is prob. the hardest on the body more than any other sport.

[Hulk]

Oddly enough, a post I made on Metafilter.com was just quoted on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution web site:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/26/0626metfans.html

The media's started to pick up the ball and run with it with regards to the possible steroid connection. Not surprisingly, VKM is already on the defensive, issuing a press release about media sensationalism and speculation about the steroid/HGH connection.

Great quote on Metafilter Steve, you pretty muched nailed how so many people are going to feel about him. This is pretty much OJ Simpson, except he had the courtesy not to stick around.

[toys2cool]

I'm pretty sure he's divorced from that wife----- and those kids are already grown up.

The news said he was divorced (with kids) and remarried.

yeah I meant the one that died and what she looked like back then,I don't know what his 1st wife looked like,but looks like she made the right call by leaving him and dodged a bullet there

[mitchedwards]

Just read this little tidbit and was shocked at the number of pro wrestlers that have died since 1985

Famous Wrestlers That Have Died Since 1985 Before the Age of 65
Chris Von Erich - 21
Mike Von Erich - 23
Louie Spiccoli - 27
Art Barr - 28
Gino Hernandez - 29
Jay Youngblood - 30
Rick McGraw - 30
Joey Marella - 30
Ed Gatner - 31
Buzz Sawyer - 32
Crash Holly - 32
Kerry Von Erich - 33
D.J. Peterson - 33
Eddie Gilbert - 33
The Renegade - 33
Owen Hart - 33
Chris Candido - 33
Adrian Adonis - 34
Gary Albright - 34
Bobby Duncum Jr. - 34
Yokozuna - 34
Big Dick Dudley - 34
Brian Pillman - 35
Marianna Komlos - 35
Pitbull #2 - 36
The Wall/Malice - 36
Leroy Brown - 38
Mark Curtis - 38
Eddie Guerrero - 38
Davey Boy Smith - 39
Johnny Grunge - 39
Vivian Vachon - 40
Jeep Swenson - 40
Brady Boone - 40
Terry Gordy - 40
Bertha Faye - 40
Billy Joe Travis - 40
Chris Benoit - 40
Larry Cameron - 41
Rick Rude - 41
Randy Anderson - 41
Bruiser Brody - 42
Miss Elizabeth - 42
Big Boss Man - 42
Earthquake - 42
Mike Awesome - 42
Ray Candy - 43
Nancy Benoit (Woman) - 43
Dino Bravo - 44
Curt Hennig - 44
Bam Bam Bigelow - 45
Jerry Blackwell - 45
Junkyard Dog - 45
Hercules - 45
Andre the Giant - 46
Big John Studd - 46
Chris Adams - 46
Mike Davis - 46
Hawk - 46
Dick Murdoch - 49
Jumbo Tsuruta - 49
Rocco Rock - 49
Sherri Martel - 49
Moondog Spot - 51
Ken Timbs - 53
Uncle Elmer - 54
Pez Whatley - 54
Eddie Graham - 55
Tarzan Tyler - 55
Haystacks Calhoun- 55
Giant Haystacks - 55
The Spoiler - 56
Kurt Von Hess - 56
Moondog King - 56
Gene Anderson - 58
Dr. Jerry Graham - 58
Bulldog Brown - 58
Tony Parisi - 58
Rufus R. Jones - 60
Ray Stevens - 60
Stan Stasiak - 60
Terry Garvin - 60
Boris Malenko - 61
Little Beaver - 61
Sapphire - 61
Shohei Baba - 61
Dick the Bruiser - 62
Wilbur Snyder - 62
George Cannon - 62
Karl Krupp - 62
Dale Lewis - 62
Gorilla Monsoon - 62
Hiro Matsuda - 62
Bad News Brown - 63
Bulldog Brower - 63
Wahoo McDaniel - 63

[Hulk]

And that is just the list of "famous wrestlers".

[BlackKnight]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...

... Well I guess Paris getting outta jail is on the back burner for the massive news casts out there... :wink_y:

[jemboy2004]

Blacknight you can't be serious can you? You blame the victim for being Murdered? If he couldn't handle her or whatever you think caused him to snap because of her, he should have left her... NOT KILL HER and then his own child... The fact that his child was killed shows me it wasn't because of something she did.

I think this is sad for the child and the wife. If he did Kill them he's Scum.. What kind of person kills their own child? Or anyone else for that matter.

[mitchedwards]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...

... Well I guess Paris getting outta jail is on the back burner for the massive news casts out there... :wink_y:

He could have walked. If things were that bad at home he could have left.

[Marvelmania]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...

... Well I guess Paris getting outta jail is on the back burner for the massive news casts out there... :wink_y:


:crazy:

[MegoSteve]

Great quote on Metafilter Steve, you pretty muched nailed how so many people are going to feel about him. This is pretty much OJ Simpson, except he had the courtesy not to stick around.

Thanks, Paul. As terrible as it sounds, I agree with the "courtesy" sentiment. By killing himself, Benoit became less of a sociopathic monster like O.J. and more like a deeply troubled human being.

[toys2cool]

Blacknight you can't be serious can you? You blame the victim for being Murdered? If he couldn't handle her or whatever you think caused him to snap because of her, he should have left her... NOT KILL HER and then his own child... The fact that his child was killed shows me it wasn't because of something she did.

I think this is sad for the child and the wife. If he did Kill them he's Scum.. What kind of person kills their own child? Or anyone else for that matter.


I agree,there's no way you could blame her for this.I mean I don't know what she did,but I doubt it was enough to kill her.I get into crap with my wife all the time and I've never even had that thought cross my mine.I've had and seen friends in roid rages,and I don't think those are enough to make you snap and kill your wife and kid,obviously he was a disturbed individual and it's a shame no one noticed and were able to get him the help he needed.I just hope he left some sort of note or something explaining his actions

[BlackKnight]

Hey Now ! I was in noooooooooo way try to justify his actions, & lable HIM as the victim... I was only merly trying to get inside his head. Thats All. Sorry if I implyed something I meant not to. :please_y:

[toys2cool]

wow remember just 2 weeks ago we were talking about what a great Wolverine he would've been,this sucks

[Hector]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...

You cannot possibly be typing this with a serious face.

[kept back]

Benoit apparently had shown signs over the past few years of problems. About a year or so ago, he became paranoid that someone was following him and intended to cause harm to his family. His last text message(to Chavo Guerrero, I believe) was something to the effect of "The sliding glass door is open and the dogs are fed." Which made no sense whatsoever. Watching the tribute Monday night, I became increasingly aware of phrases repeated like "he never showed his emotions" or "he kept to himself." How lacking in emotion was he? How much did he keep to himself? These could have been signs of schizophrenia. Not that I am attempting to justify any of his actions, I just think his actions indicate a very sick and troubled individual.

[Customslab]

Benoit apparently had shown signs over the past few years of problems. About a year or so ago, he became paranoid that someone was following him and intended to cause harm to his family. His last text message(to Chavo Guerrero, I believe) was something to the effect of "The sliding glass door is open and the dogs are fed." Which made no sense whatsoever. Watching the tribute Monday night, I became increasingly aware of phrases repeated like "he never showed his emotions" or "he kept to himself." How lacking in emotion was he? How much did he keep to himself? These could have been signs of schizophrenia. Not that I am attempting to justify any of his actions, I just think his actions indicate a very sick and troubled individual.


i thought the same thing

[mego boy CA]

Very Sad News.

[Hulk]

Now they think the child may have been given Human Growth Hormone injections by his parents because they considered the 7 year old "undersized". Sick, Sick, Sick. This is going to get uglier and more bizarre as the facts come out.

[thunderbolt]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...



wow, just wow. So killing the wife you could see, but not the kid?? That's messed up, dude.

[Meule]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...

... Well I guess Paris getting outta jail is on the back burner for the massive news casts out there... :wink_y:

***? That's like saying "you asked for it" to a rape victim.
If he had problems with his wife, he could've divorced her

[Earth 2 Chris]

I Blam it on the Woman.. His Wife probably pushed him.. as Women do. No offense ... to anyone. But add that to a Dude on Roids,.. watch out ! Just the Son thing don't make any sense... I hate crap like this,.. Either He did do it, or someone is very good at covering up stuff... & My boy is 7.. He has a bit of respect, because he knows what he will get if he don't, He is also a bit out of control at times, however quickly reconizes his place. I just wouldn't fathom,.. ever doing such a thing to him.. Just don't make no sense.. He always did seem a bit crazy though...

... Well I guess Paris getting outta jail is on the back burner for the massive news casts out there...

Not to turn this into a witch hunt on you Knight, but that's just wrong. The guy can walk away. NO ONE deserves this, or asks for it. Short of her threatening his life and attacking HIM, he had no reason to phsically harm her, let alone murder her. Just walk out, divorce, whatever. If he was out of his mind, on drugs, on roids well then he was, but there is no excuse for any of this.

And as much as I loathe Paris Hilton, I'd take a life time of "news" about her over hearing anything horrid and disturbing like this.

Chris

[txteach]

Killing ANYONE is horrendous! The wife certainly did NOT deserve to die, no matter what. And the boy, why didn't he just go hang himself and leave both of them alone?

[jwyblejr]

The sad thing is,now the wives and girlfriends of wrestlers will be keeping a close eye on their husbands and boyfriends wondering if they'll be next.

[toys2cool]

Now they think the child may have been given Human Growth Hormone injections by his parents because they considered the 7 year old "undersized". Sick, Sick, Sick. This is going to get uglier and more bizarre as the facts come out.

This is more common then you think,doctors have to give the ok before you could this,A friend of mine had to take these as a kid,needless to say they worked

[Hulk]

Maybe, but I would have to suspect that an adult willing to do the things to his own body that Benoit did, particularly when he was seen as too short to be champion for a long time, might not be the best person to decide if HGH was appropriate for a 7 year old. Maybe he was one of the fairly small number of children who truly need HGH therapy, but somehow I fear that a bit of a Napoleon complex on his father's part was at work here.

[Customslab]

Maybe, but I would have to suspect that an adult willing to do the things to his own body that Benoit did, particularly when he was seen as too short to be champion for a long time, might not be the best person to decide if HGH was appropriate for a 7 year old. Maybe he was one of the fairly small number of children who truly need HGH therapy, but somehow I fear that a bit of a Napoleon complex on his father's part was at work here.

jim rome on rome is burning said the same thing also he tore up wwe for doing what they done on monday night befor they had the facts

[Mikey]

I half don't blame WWF for Monday ..........

Half because, incase they really didn't know what happened--- they covered themselves by having a tribute.......

I mean, when somebody dies------- nobody really ever thinks they're a murder and killed themselves....

If you don't believe me,

Read this thread again from the start.

A lot of people did not know the truth

[Adam West]

Benoit apparently had shown signs over the past few years of problems. About a year or so ago, he became paranoid that someone was following him and intended to cause harm to his family. His last text message(to Chavo Guerrero, I believe) was something to the effect of "The sliding glass door is open and the dogs are fed." Which made no sense whatsoever. Watching the tribute Monday night, I became increasingly aware of phrases repeated like "he never showed his emotions" or "he kept to himself." How lacking in emotion was he? How much did he keep to himself? These could have been signs of schizophrenia. Not that I am attempting to justify any of his actions, I just think his actions indicate a very sick and troubled individual.

Maybe the last text message was basically his way of saying that he was taking his own life but you can come through the sliding glass door and the dogs have already been fed so no need to worry about that....a strange way to say goodbye.

I really haven't followed wrestling since I was a teenager so I really no idea who this wrestler is. I did hear this morning that they found bibles by both of the bodies of his wife and son and lots of anabolic steroids. That is super dangerous stuff and when I see wrestlers like Benoit, I really don't think it is physically possible to be that muscular without the roids no matter how much you work out. I don't even think the most monstrous of Football or Baseball players are as muscular as these wrestlers.

[kept back]

When it comes to wrestlers deaths, it seems WWE is damned either way. When Brian Pillman died, they went on with barely a word and were chastised. When Owen Hart died in the ring, they were chastised for going on with the show. So the following night Owen gets what I considered a very moving tribute on Raw. Agai WWE is chastised for "exploiting" Owen's death. It seems they attempted to correct the course a little more with regards to Eddie Guerrero's passing, and again were labled as exploitive. Monday night, when the lights went up on an empty arena with the purportedly deceased Vince McMahon standing in the center of the ring, I thought it was quite a statement. An abandonment of storyline as well as turining away countless fans and possibly hundredds of thousands in revenue. I considered, ironically, the best of the tributes done for a fallen wrestler. Yet again, WWE is damned for honoring a man who is now known to be a murderer. I think that they did the best they could with the information they had at the time. And I think that Vince did the best he could to recover the fumble on Tuesday's ECW program. Unfortunately, all we are going to hear about is how "WWE spent three hours honoring a child killer" and how "all wrestlers take steroids and abuse their wives." Say what you will about Vince McMahon. He likely deserves it. But he is not the one sensationalizing the story in order to sell newspapers or garner ratings. That sick honor goes to the media who throw their stones from their glass houses.

[Meule]

The sad thing is,now the wives and girlfriends of wrestlers will be keeping a close eye on their husbands and boyfriends wondering if they'll be next.

Not every wrestler is a murdered, let's not get too paranoid. The roids alone didn't push Benoit to this, the guy was sick in the head

[JDeRouen]

Apparently, his son had Fragile X Syndrome:




Fragile X is a family of genetic conditions, which can impact individuals and families in various ways. These genetic conditions are related in that they are all caused by gene changes in the same gene, called the FMR1 gene.
Fragile X includes:
fragile X syndrome (http://www.fragilex.org/html/summary.htm) (FXS), the most common cause of inherited mental impairment. This impairment can range from learning disabilities to more severe cognitive or intellectual disabilities. (Sometimes referred to as mental retardation.) FXS is the most common known cause of autism or "autistic-like" behaviors. Symptoms also can include characteristic physical and behavioral features and delays in speech and language development.

fragile X-associated tremor/ataxia syndrome (http://www.fragilex.org/html/fxtas.htm) (FXTAS), a condition which affects balance, tremor and memory in some older male gene carriers.
fragile X-associated premature ovarian failure (http://www.fragilex.org/html/menopause.htm) (POF), a problem with ovarian function which can lead to infertility and early menopause in some female gene carriers.
Some gene carriers do not exhibit any of these features. To learn more about carriers click here (http://www.fragilex.org/html/carriers.htm).

Fragile X can be passed on in a family by individuals who have no apparent signs of this genetic condition. In some families a number of family members appear to be affected, whereas in other families a newly diagnosed individual may be the first family member to exhibit symptoms.

[Customslab]

Not every wrestler is a murdered, let's not get too paranoid. The roids alone didn't push Benoit to this, the guy was sick in the head

very very true, he was sick from the word go and i'm sure that roids will not be the only drug they find in his system

[JDeRouen]

very very true, he was sick from the word go and i'm sure that roids will not be the only drug they find in his system

This is a bit of hyperbole. We have no clue what happened. Concussion syndrome has been discussed, which could have a lot of bearing. What happened is awful, but it's more important to try to figure out why so that hopefully it doesn't happen again then to just say "he was sick from the word go" and let it go at that.

[toys2cool]

Apparently, his son had Fragile X Syndrome:

Yeah I just read that,I think the guy just snapped.I'm pretty sure his wife was going to leave him for not taking care of the kid as much and being on the road almost everyday,I guess she had enough and apparently so did he.The poor kid with no fault got caught in the middle


The WWE thing on Monday night you can't really blame them for doing that,if they would've been murdered by someone else and they would'nt have had the tribute then we'd all be on there asses for that ,I think they made the right call at the time

[Hector]

When it comes to wrestlers deaths, it seems WWE is damned either way. When Brian Pillman died, they went on with barely a word and were chastised. When Owen Hart died in the ring, they were chastised for going on with the show. So the following night Owen gets what I considered a very moving tribute on Raw. Agai WWE is chastised for "exploiting" Owen's death. It seems they attempted to correct the course a little more with regards to Eddie Guerrero's passing, and again were labled as exploitive. Monday night, when the lights went up on an empty arena with the purportedly deceased Vince McMahon standing in the center of the ring, I thought it was quite a statement. An abandonment of storyline as well as turining away countless fans and possibly hundredds of thousands in revenue. I considered, ironically, the best of the tributes done for a fallen wrestler. Yet again, WWE is damned for honoring a man who is now known to be a murderer. I think that they did the best they could with the information they had at the time. And I think that Vince did the best he could to recover the fumble on Tuesday's ECW program. Unfortunately, all we are going to hear about is how "WWE spent three hours honoring a child killer" and how "all wrestlers take steroids and abuse their wives." Say what you will about Vince McMahon. He likely deserves it. But he is not the one sensationalizing the story in order to sell newspapers or garner ratings. That sick honor goes to the media who throw their stones from their glass houses.

The sick honor goes to the media? Why because they criticize the WWE? GOOD.

The root of everything is Vince McMahon, it all starts and ends there.

Mitchedwards posted this:

Famous Wrestlers That Have Died Since 1985 Before the Age of 65

None of those deaths had anything to do with the media, all that is from the direct result of being part of the pro wrestling world.

Pro wrestling, especially the WWE, needs to be regulated, Vince McMahon's evil reign must be somehow controlled (at the very least), if everything stays as is, expect more tragic deaths to come, this is the sad world of affairs of the pro wrestling world.

[The Toyroom]

WOW! I didn't realize a lot of those guys had died! That's just waaay too many and very, very sad!

[toys2cool]

The sick honor goes to the media? Why because they criticize the WWE? GOOD.

The root of everything is Vince McMahon, it all starts and ends there.

Mitchedwards posted this:

Famous Wrestlers That Have Died Since 1985 Before the Age of 65


None of those deaths had anything to do with the media, all that is from the direct result of being part of the pro wrestling world.

Pro wrestling, especially the WWE, needs to be regulated, Vince McMahon's evil reign must be somehow controlled (at the very least), if everything stays as is, expect more tragic deaths to come, this is the sad world of affairs of the pro wrestling world.
I understand what you mean,but these are all grown men that know what happens when you take those drugs.He has a business to run and in that business you're expected to look good to be a superstar.These guys know this coming in and they feel there lives are worth risking,so it's more there fault then his

[kept back]

Pro wrestling, especially the WWE, needs to be regulated, Vince McMahon's evil reign must be somehow controlled (at the very least), if everything stays as is, expect more tragic deaths to come, this is the sad world of affairs of the pro wrestling world.

I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. Therein lies a catch-22. The sports media chooses to ignore professional wrestling because it is "fake" and therefore not really a sport. Yet, ironically everytime some tragedy that can boost ratings/sales comes along, Phil Mushnick, Jim Rome, and every other sports journalist who consider professional wrestling to be beneath them are all over it. By admitting that it is staged, McMahon managed to bypass any of the regulations that would be enforced if they still tried to maintain kayfabe. If they attempted to maintain an air of authenticity(and how can they really?) the media would look down their noses with even more derision than they do now. Although, when forced to choose between these guys staying healthy or being made to look even more foolish than they already tend to, I'll take health and a longer lifespan anyday.

[jwyblejr]

Not every wrestler is a murdered, let's not get too paranoid. The roids alone didn't push Benoit to this, the guy was sick in the head

Never said they were. I'm just saying the women involved with these men are going to have to be more careful.

[Customslab]

This is a bit of hyperbole. We have no clue what happened. Concussion syndrome has been discussed, which could have a lot of bearing. What happened is awful, but it's more important to try to figure out why so that hopefully it doesn't happen again then to just say "he was sick from the word go" and let it go at that.

i guess you didn't understand what i was saying what i was saying was most media outlets without knowing what was going on was already saying roids was the problem my statement i ment was he was messed up in the head regardless of on roids or not because if that was the case someone like ronnie coleman who takes prob. somewhere about 10 times more roids than any wrestler .. should have killed someone by now if roids was the only cause someone who kills is sick in the mind to start roids may have contribute to what he did but it wasn't the cause of what he did it was a mixture of more drugs or a mixture of a mind loseing grip with the real world

[RAZORSHARP]

Can't believe this happened, very sadddened by the news. I hope that Chris didn't do this, even though this is looking like a murder/suicide, very heartbreaking.

[GeneralApeGuy]

I half don't blame WWF for Monday ..........

Half because, incase they really didn't know what happened--- they covered themselves by having a tribute.......

I mean, when somebody dies------- nobody really ever thinks they're a murder and killed themselves....

If you don't believe me,

Read this thread again from the start.

A lot of people did not know the truth


Melue, thunderbolt and thetoyroom, see what he said?!?

[Hector]

I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. Therein lies a catch-22. The sports media chooses to ignore professional wrestling because it is "fake" and therefore not really a sport. Yet, ironically everytime some tragedy that can boost ratings/sales comes along, Phil Mushnick, Jim Rome, and every other sports journalist who consider professional wrestling to be beneath them are all over it. By admitting that it is staged, McMahon managed to bypass any of the regulations that would be enforced if they still tried to maintain kayfabe. If they attempted to maintain an air of authenticity(and how can they really?) the media would look down their noses with even more derision than they do now. Although, when forced to choose between these guys staying healthy or being made to look even more foolish than they already tend to, I'll take health and a longer lifespan anyday.

Points well taken.

[The Sentry]

wow remember just 2 weeks ago we were talking about what a great Wolverine he would've been,this sucks



Yeah when I saw all of this going on I was thinking the same thing!

Jesus, I heard there were Bibles at the head of the wife and boy and he was texting Bible verses to select people. Bill O'Reilly was tearing him apart on TV tonight.

I remember the interview Piper (MY MAN!) gave an interview that said it all and had "Jr." all in a tussle, I guess Piper saw this stuff coming. If you have ever read his book, you could almost see this type of thing coming.

Sad, very sad.

[Hector]

I understand what you mean,but these are all grown men that know what happens when you take those drugs.He has a business to run and in that business you're expected to look good to be a superstar.These guys know this coming in and they feel there lives are worth risking,so it's more there fault then his

I can't believe you are blaming the wrestlers more than Vince McMahon.

Wrestlers are just pawns, Vince McMahon is the king, queen, bishops, knights, rooks, COMBINED. He runs the entire board as he sees fit, he has the salaries, the control, the final say, to stay the course or change everything overnight, the buck stops with him. Vince McMahon HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY AS A HUMAN BEING to put an end to all of these deaths, he could if he really wanted to, institute MANDATORY DRUG TESTING...but he conveniently chooses not to, as a matter of fact, the man demands that they get bulked up at all costs, a huge part of the attraction is not only to perform incredibly day after day, but that they have to look like Greek gods as well, it's all part of the current pro wrestling package. When many states in the Union started demanding drug testing for the wrestlers (before being allowed to stage shows there), McMahon would just bypass that state and moved on to the next one that had no such testing. All this pressure made him come out in public and state that pro wrestling was not a sport but pure entertainment (thus the birth of "sports entertainment"), he weaseled his way out of any sports regulations in the country, not only is McMahon an evil man, but he's an evil SMART man, which is even scarier. Aside from Vince McMahon demanding that all his wrestlers look good, he also has them on a very demanding schedule, they friggin' wrestle non-stop for almost an entire year, the bodies can only take so much, but Vince McMahon is obsessed and hungry for that money.

If I were to replace Vince McMahon tomorrow, these are the first five things I would do:

1. Mandatory drug testing
2. Health coverage
3. Limit the workload of matches
4 .Pension plan
5. Start discussion about the possibilty of officially regulating the WWE through an unbiased commisioner hired from outside the company

Sure I would not make as much money as Vince McMahon does, but I would still be financially successful, and my soul would be safe from the fiery pits of hell...I would sleep better at night as well.

Amen.

[Meule]

Melue, thunderbolt and thetoyroom, see what he said?!?

Pat, he meant we didn't know whether it was suicide, murder, murder/suicide or an accident. But it most definitely wasn't staged. You honestly think the cops have nothing better to do than playing games?

BTW, can you read my posts again, I thought I was on your sh*tlist? ;)
__________________________________________

And I completely agree with Hector's statement here above. The wrestlers can't be blamed for taking roids, it's all McMahon, he practically forces them. Nowadays they all gotta look like He-Man. But why? Hulk Hogan never looked like that, Yokozuna (RIP) never did, neither did Tugboat, Andre the Giant, Jake the Snake, The Bushwackers, Randy Savage, ... and the list goes on and on. Some of these guys were fat, others looked good and muscular for sure, but never pumped up like say Davey Boy Smith (RIP) or Chris Benoit (RIP = Rest In Pieces, ya b@$tard), and wrestling was still ever so popular. Fact is, wrestling doesn't need roids to be popular. It's all about image, but that can be achieved with other things too.
Man, just bring back the old days of wrestling, it was so much better. No dumb storylines like who blew up McMahon's car and whatnot.

[thunderbolt]

Melue, thunderbolt and thetoyroom, see what he said?!?

I thought I was on your blocked members list. :cry: Its just really ridiculous for you to even think that it was a work.

[Mikey]

Vince was just on a morning show talking about it ....
I think CBS ......

BILL,
How could yous let CBS interview him before you ? :grin:

[Adam West]

Vince was just on a morning show talking about it ....
I think CBS ......

BILL,
How could yous let CBS interview him before you ? :grin:

He was on the Today Show this morning...maybe CBS too, but I did see him being interviewed on the today show. What's up with his voice? Does he have throat cancer or something. I honestly haven't watched wresting for about 20 years so all of these new wrestlers are unfamiliar to me but I remember Vinch McMahon all the way back at the beginning when he was the on air commentator and a pencil neck too!

His responses to questions were a bit odd. He said that Benoit had been tested for Steroids in April and came up negative which seems contradictory to what was posted on this board. They also questioned him about the list of numerous deaths that have occurred to wrestlers over the years before the age of 64 (the list posted here) and he acted like he knew nothing about the list and emphasized that only 5 wrestlers have died while under contract with him. When questioned about allowing a mourning period and stopping wrestling to honor a deceased wrestler, he referred to wrestling as entertainment that makes people smile and that he would not stop a sport temporarily that makes the public smile as though he's doing something noble for the country at large....whatever. Like I said, I don't follow wrestling at all but was a bit turned off by his seeming lack of tact or care about what had just occurred.

[toys2cool]

I can't believe you are blaming the wrestlers more than Vince McMahon.

Wrestlers are just pawns, Vince McMahon is the king, queen, bishops, knights, rooks, COMBINED. He runs the entire board as he sees fit, he has the salaries, the control, the final say, to stay the course or change everything overnight, the buck stops with him. Vince McMahon HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY AS A HUMAN BEING to put an end to all of these deaths, he could if he really wanted to, institute MANDATORY DRUG TESTING...but he conveniently chooses not to, as a matter of fact, the man demands that they get bulked up at all costs, a huge part of the attraction is not only to perform incredibly day after day, but that they have to look like Greek gods as well, it's all part of the current pro wrestling package. When many states in the Union started demanding drug testing for the wrestlers (before being allowed to stage shows there), McMahon would just bypass that state and moved on to the next one that had no such testing. All this pressure made him come out in public and state that pro wrestling was not a sport but pure entertainment (thus the birth of "sports entertainment"), he weaseled his way out of any sports regulations in the country, not only is McMahon an evil man, but he's an evil SMART man, which is even scarier. Aside from Vince McMahon demanding that all his wrestlers look good, he also has them on a very demanding schedule, they friggin' wrestle non-stop for almost an entire year, the bodies can only take so much, but Vince McMahon is obsessed and hungry for that money.

If I were to replace Vince McMahon tomorrow, these are the first five things I would do:

1. Mandatory drug testing
2. Health coverage
3. Limit the workload of matches
4 .Pension plan
5. Start discussion about the possibilty of officially regulating the WWE through an unbiased commisioner hired from outside the company

Sure I would not make as much money as Vince McMahon does, but I would still be financially successful, and my soul would be safe from the fiery pits of hell...I would sleep better at night as well.

Amen.

I totally agree with what you're saying,but what i'm trying to say is that these guys are big boys and they know what they are doing,they just want the money and the spotlight,so they really don't stop to care about the consequences ,and for that they deserve the blame as well

[Mikey]

You don't even need drug tests if you know what to look for.... .....

I can see just by looking at them they're on steroids....

Remember Bruno Samartino in his young days ?
That's a proper build of an average wrestler who's not on steriods.

Prob is....

The organization just don't WANT to know......
That's what Hogan said at his testimony years ago.
__________________________________________

Also.........

I'm very surprised by this time ........ The wrestlers all haven't gotten together and demanded they be let into the Screen Actors Guild.

m

[JDeRouen]

Something that the media continues to ignore is the insane road schedule that WWE assigns to their wrestlers. Sure, they get the occasional day or two off (though more often than not they have to have suffered an injury to get even a week off) but there are no scheduled vacations. It has to wear you down. And Vince McMahon should answer for that, much like Wal-Mart and other corporations has had to answer in the past for the way that they've treated their employees.

All of that said, Chris Benoit had the chance to jump to TNA wrestling, where the schedule (and the money) would have been much lighter. Ultimately, yes, Vince McMahon and the WWE probably played a significant role in causing Benoit to "snap," and that should be dealt with accordingly. But the final blame lies on his (Benoit's) shoulders and his shoulders alone.

I can't even fathom killing a little boy that he professed to love so much, let alone murdering his wife. It's insane. But something pushed him over the edge, and that something, which I'm certain had to deal in large part with his road schedule, concussion syndrome, steroids, or some combination of all three, needs to be identified and isolated so what it never happens again. I do wish the media would ask the "right" questions, rather than just focus on the steroids aspect of it all.

FYI, Sherri Martel and Nancy "Woman" Benoit were apparently very close, so maybe that's also a connection. Maybe Nancy pushed Chris to quit wrestling, or take more time off, or whatever. We may never know.

[Mikey]

I just think he was a nut from the start--- .......

Maybe i'm just being naive, but I can't imagine any drug that would make me want to kill anybody for any reason.

I think drugs just overemphasize a persons deep down emotions...

I HOPE they don't make Benoit a drug abuse marter....

He doesn't deserve such GOOD treatment.

He was/is a murder......

[mitchedwards]

Just saw this on Fox News. Makes the whole story that much more bizzare

An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy about 14 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.com said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

[Hulk]

Bret Hart was pushing for a union for wrestlers even before Owen's death. It should have happened already, and Vince should be forced to accept it, otherwise he will go around the union and continue to say the WWE's "Wellness" plan is a valid safeguard. It's a joke when wrestlers like Rob Van Dam are suspended for a month for smoking pot (but otherwise is probably the healthiest major wrestler around), but somehow their independent testing rarely if ever finds steroid users. I am wondering whether their "independent" drug testing turns a blind eye to wrestlers who get a doctor's prescription, which is sounds like Benoit might have had. If so, their are hundreds of internet pharmacies that will "prescribe" you just about anything for a buck.

A union is long overdue for these athletes. The independent contractor status of these guys is literally killing the talent in this industry.

[toys2cool]

Just saw this on Fox News. Makes the whole story that much more bizzare

An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy about 14 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.com said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

wow ! now that's scary news.That means someone else might've known about this and kept there mouths shut

[Hulk]

As I suspected, as the facts come out, the story just gets more and more bizarre. This makes some sense, since WWE wrestlers got the odd text messages before this, and someone probably checked out the property to see what was up. Why in the world that person wouldn't immediately call 911 (instead of WWE Headquarters) is the real mystery.

[The Toyroom]

Yeah, just came across this too:


Investigators are looking into who altered pro wrestler Chris Benoit’s Wikipedia entry to mention his wife’s death hours before authorities discovered the bodies of the couple and their 7-year-old son.

Benoit’s Wikipedia entry was altered early Monday to say that the wrestler had missed a match two days earlier because of his wife’s death.

A Wikipedia official, Cary Bass, said Thursday that the entry was made by someone using an Internet protocol address registered in Stamford, Conn., where World Wrestling Entertainment is based.

An IP address, a unique series of numbers carried by every machine connected to the Internet, does not necessarily have to be broadcast from where it is registered. The bodies were found in Benoit’s home in suburban Atlanta, and it’s not known where the posting was sent from, Bass said.

Benoit’s page on Wikipedia, a reference site that allows users to add and edit information, was updated at 12:01 a.m. Monday, about 14 hours before authorities say the bodies were found. The reason he missed a match Saturday night was “stemming from the death of his wife Nancy,” it said.

WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt said that to his knowledge, no one at the WWE knew Nancy Benoit was dead before her body was found Monday afternoon. Text messages released by officials show that messages from Chris Benoit’s cell phone were being sent to co-workers a few hours after the Wikipedia posting.

WWE employees are given WWE e-mail addresses, McDevitt said, though he did not know whether Chris Benoit had one.

“I have no idea who posted this,” McDevitt said. “It’s at least possible Chris may have sent some other text message to someone that we’re unaware of. We don’t know if he did. The phone is in the possession of authorities.”

On Thursday afternoon, the Wikipedia page about Benoit carried a note stating that editing by unregistered or newly registered users was disabled until July 8 because of vandalism.

Freaky stuff indeed!

[kept back]

someone should do a psa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTRo7YVb_zE

[Hector]

He was on the Today Show this morning...maybe CBS too, but I did see him being interviewed on the today show. What's up with his voice? Does he have throat cancer or something. I honestly haven't watched wresting for about 20 years so all of these new wrestlers are unfamiliar to me but I remember Vinch McMahon all the way back at the beginning when he was the on air commentator and a pencil neck too!

His responses to questions were a bit odd. He said that Benoit had been tested for Steroids in April and came up negative which seems contradictory to what was posted on this board. They also questioned him about the list of numerous deaths that have occurred to wrestlers over the years before the age of 64 (the list posted here) and he acted like he knew nothing about the list and emphasized that only 5 wrestlers have died while under contract with him. When questioned about allowing a mourning period and stopping wrestling to honor a deceased wrestler, he referred to wrestling as entertainment that makes people smile and that he would not stop a sport temporarily that makes the public smile as though he's doing something noble for the country at large....whatever. Like I said, I don't follow wrestling at all but was a bit turned off by his seeming lack of tact or care about what had just occurred.

McMahon is a lying sack of s***.
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I totally agree with what you're saying,but what i'm trying to say is that these guys are big boys and they know what they are doing,they just want the money and the spotlight,so they really don't stop to care about the consequences ,and for that they deserve the blame as well

Yes, the wrestlers are also part to blame (on a smaller scale), they're intimidated and scared to start a union...McMahon could very well fire all of them if they did and start from scratch, but I think that would destroy his company, so IMO, the wrestlers do have a shot if they tried to unionized.
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Something that the media continues to ignore is the insane road schedule that WWE assigns to their wrestlers. Sure, they get the occasional day or two off (though more often than not they have to have suffered an injury to get even a week off) but there are no scheduled vacations. It has to wear you down. And Vince McMahon should answer for that, much like Wal-Mart and other corporations has had to answer in the past for the way that they've treated their employees.

All of that said, Chris Benoit had the chance to jump to TNA wrestling, where the schedule (and the money) would have been much lighter. Ultimately, yes, Vince McMahon and the WWE probably played a significant role in causing Benoit to "snap," and that should be dealt with accordingly. But the final blame lies on his (Benoit's) shoulders and his shoulders alone.

I can't even fathom killing a little boy that he professed to love so much, let alone murdering his wife. It's insane. But something pushed him over the edge, and that something, which I'm certain had to deal in large part with his road schedule, concussion syndrome, steroids, or some combination of all three, needs to be identified and isolated so what it never happens again. I do wish the media would ask the "right" questions, rather than just focus on the steroids aspect of it all.

FYI, Sherri Martel and Nancy "Woman" Benoit were apparently very close, so maybe that's also a connection. Maybe Nancy pushed Chris to quit wrestling, or take more time off, or whatever. We may never know.

When I talked about wrestlers not being at fault but rather McMahon, I did not mean to include Benoit, no one killed his wife and child but himself, he's the only one to blame on that one.
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Bret Hart was pushing for a union for wrestlers even before Owen's death. It should have happened already, and Vince should be forced to accept it, otherwise he will go around the union and continue to say the WWE's "Wellness" plan is a valid safeguard. It's a joke when wrestlers like Rob Van Dam are suspended for a month for smoking pot (but otherwise is probably the healthiest major wrestler around), but somehow their independent testing rarely if ever finds steroid users. I am wondering whether their "independent" drug testing turns a blind eye to wrestlers who get a doctor's prescription, which is sounds like Benoit might have had. If so, their are hundreds of internet pharmacies that will "prescribe" you just about anything for a buck.

A union is long overdue for these athletes. The independent contractor status of these guys is literally killing the talent in this industry.

Well said.

[Meule]

As I suspected, as the facts come out, the story just gets more and more bizarre. This makes some sense, since WWE wrestlers got the odd text messages before this, and someone probably checked out the property to see what was up. Why in the world that person wouldn't immediately call 911 (instead of WWE Headquarters) is the real mystery.

Man, this is really getting weirder and weirder. Whoever made that entry on Wikipedia sure is in a whole lotta trouble if they ever find him...
14 hours before the cops found the bodies... maybe Benoit was still alive at that point? Makes the fact that they didn't call 911 right away even more mysterious

[Hector]

That Wikipedia thing is creep to say the least.

[Meule]

This started out as a murder/suicide, but where it's gonna end... who knows?

Next thing you know Benoit's suicide will be staged and will turn out to be murder as well...

[toys2cool]

Hey at this point I'm not ruling anything out,who knows maybe someone else was involved in here

[Hulk]

This started out as a murder/suicide, but where it's gonna end... who knows?

Next thing you know Benoit's suicide will be staged and will turn out to be murder as well...

Maybe Pat WAS right :rotfl:

[mitchedwards]

I wonder since this is in the spotlight if there will be any government investigations into the work conditions at the WWE?

[Hulk]

eBay sleeze watch:

1439 items found for chris benoit (title only)

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=chris+benoit

[Bizarro Amy]

I don't know how IP addresses work, but is there any chance Benoit himself posted the Wikipedia entry? If most wrestlers get an address through the WWE domain, couldn't he have used that to go online and type all that stuff?

[toys2cool]

eBay sleeze watch:

1439 items found for chris benoit (title only)

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=chris+benoit



I hate those people that just wait for something like this to happen to try and make a quick buck,Like when Anna died and some idiot did that think with the skeleton,now lets see if someone puts a figure hanging by the neck

[Hulk]

I don't know how IP addresses work, but is there any chance Benoit himself posted the Wikipedia entry? If most wrestlers get an address through the WWE domain, couldn't he have used that to go online and type all that stuff?

That is what they are trying to determine, but you would think if that were clearly the case, WWE's IT department would have offered evidence to that effect. IP addresses are usually more specific to the ISP, the region and even neighborhood the message came from. If Wikipedia only tracks email IP addresses, then there is some possibility that Benoit might have posted it himself. I am leaning more towards someone related to WWE in some manner though. Most of the wrestlers and event staff would have been at the PPV or traveling to the next night's RAW event though, so it would likely be someone based at their HQ.

[Meule]

Maybe Pat WAS right :rotfl:

I wouldn't go THAT far just yet :silly:
But there's definitely something weird going on

[toys2cool]

The Ultimate Warrior is suppose be giving an interview tonight at 9 pm in the fox news channel about this topic,it should be a good one since he hasn't done televised interviews in forever and since he's done steroids it'll be good to get his take on the roids and what happens when you take'em

[Mikey]

I thought I rememeber seeing him on a religious channel a few moths ago.

Maybe i'm mixing him up with Sting.

[Marvelmania]

Saw Superstar Billy Graham on TV last night talking about roids. He and Steve Austin's ex, Debra were going back and forth about roid rage. She was telling about how Steve flipped out on her and blamed it on the roids. Graham said his ex wife could tell some good stories about how he flipped out on her due to lots of other drugs but went on to say it wasn't the roids. Sure it wasn't :wink_y:

[JDeRouen]

From ProWrestlingTorch.Com:

David Nahmias, a U.S. attorney, stated in a press conference earlier today that Dr. Phil Astin was indicted on charges of issuing unlawful prescriptions to two patients who have nothing to do with Chris Benoit at all for drugs other than steroids. The doctors was released on $125,000 bond with surrender of his medical licence papers.

The Atlanta, Ga. Fox affiliate reports that the Federal Search Warrant for Dr. Astin's office stated: "Mr. Benoit was previously idenfied as an excessive purchaser of injectable steroids. Dr. Astin has been the subject of concern for excessive prescribing activity" by the local police department. "Dr. Astin has been identified as prescrbing on average a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to Mr. Benoit every 3 to 4 weeks from May 4, 2006 to May 9, 2007."

[Meule]

From ProWrestlingTorch.Com:

David Nahmias, a U.S. attorney, stated in a press conference earlier today that Dr. Phil Astin was indicted on charges of issuing unlawful prescriptions to two patients who have nothing to do with Chris Benoit at all for drugs other than steroids. The doctors was released on $125,000 bond with surrender of his medical licence papers.

The Atlanta, Ga. Fox affiliate reports that the Federal Search Warrant for Dr. Astin's office stated: "Mr. Benoit was previously idenfied as an excessive purchaser of injectable steroids. Dr. Astin has been the subject of concern for excessive prescribing activity" by the local police department. "Dr. Astin has been identified as prescrbing on average a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to Mr. Benoit every 3 to 4 weeks from May 4, 2006 to May 9, 2007."

Benoit used up a 10 month supply of steroids in 3 to 4 weeks? :shocked2:
If he did that for a whole year, no wonder he was out of his mind :please:

[Hector]

I'm shocked his heart didn't burst into a million pieces.

[toys2cool]

LOL! it doesn't mean he used it all,I'm sure he sold it.With Roids you have to cycle off,if you do too much it won't work as good ;)

[Hector]

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-wrestlingsshame&prov=ap&type=lgns
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LOL! it doesn't mean he used it all,I'm sure he sold it.With Roids you have to cycle off,if you do too much it won't work as good ;)

Don't be naive, he was a habitual user, and even he had stopped altogether, the effects of prolonged steroid use are irreversible, it was just a matter of time before his heart would've eventually stopped.

[toys2cool]

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-wrestlingsshame&prov=ap&type=lgns
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Don't be naive, he was a habitual user, and even he had stopped altogether, the effects of prolonged steroid use are irreversible, it was just a matter of time before his heart would've eventually stopped.

I don't disagree that he took them,of course he did.I'm just saying there's no way in hell he could take a 10 month supply and use it in 3-4 weeks.Remember I work at a gym and know about this stuff,most trainers I work with take it and sell it at the gym.This stuff's all over the place,you'd be surprised at the people who use it.Teachers,doctors,cops,Soldiers etc.

[batmanmc]

its a terrible thing to hurt ones self but to hurt someone else is tragic. the doctor should be held accountable if he did prescribe that much stuff so fast. he had to know he was either using excessive amounts or selling it either way he should have cut him off and reported it to the authorities to try to get benoit some help to get off of tehse things. mike

[Hulk]

As I said before, the details will keep getting more bizarre. Besides all the roids stuff, now they are saying he used his "finishing move", the Crippler Crossface, to end his son's life. The source is somewhat less than reputable (The UK SUN), but it is hard to top this on the wierd-o-meter.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560001-2007300340,00.html

Sick, Sick, Sick

[thunderbolt]

^^ wow, if that holds true, it is getting pretty sicko.

[mitchedwards]

Just saw his Dr is in hot water for the huge amount of steroids he prescribed. Benoit. Every 3 months he wrote out a 10 month prescription for roids.

[toys2cool]

Yeah they're saying he was selling them,Remember Roids are expensive as hell,and it's hard to get the good stuff that only doctors can prescribe,so I'm sure the Doc was making mad money with this,atleast the Doctor and the pharmacist i know charge a leg and 1/2 for this.Now the finishing move thing on the kid sounds like bullcrap to me,the kid is to small,he would'nt have been able to do it

[Hulk]

.Now the finishing move thing on the kid sounds like bullcrap to me,the kid is to small,he would'nt have been able to do it

From another site...

District Attorney Scott Ballard says, "A choke hold was used, rather than hands. There's no bruising consistent with strangulation by hands."

Wrestling writer Dave Meltzer adds, "There was bruising consistent with the Crippler Crossface on one arm and Daniel's face. There were no bruises on his neck.

"But police don't believe, because of the size difference, that the hold was applied exactly as in a wrestling match."

[toys2cool]

From another site...

District Attorney Scott Ballard says, "A choke hold was used, rather than hands. There's no bruising consistent with strangulation by hands."

Wrestling writer Dave Meltzer adds, "There was bruising consistent with the Crippler Crossface on one arm and Daniel's face. There were no bruises on his neck.

"But police don't believe, because of the size difference, that the hold was applied exactly as in a wrestling match."

yeah I figured he could'nt do that exact move they were talking about,wow a choke hold? what a nut