Batman's New Get-up for TDK

[joshvox]

Check it out--looks fantastic to me--much better than begins.

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[ABMAC]

It looks like every other superhero suit from the last eighteen years. The man dresses up as a bat and fights crime, why does his suit need to be more "interesting"?

[kingdom warrior]

and yet again they stay with the rubber suit..I really dislike the rubbersuits everyone reminds me of Keaton in them..... his suit were made cause he wasn't built. All the others could wear the comic book version.....no sir I don't like it...

This is the Best version IMO

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[Earth 2 Chris]

Not much different than last time. More detail, but yet somehow more streamlined too. Kind of like Keaton's Returns suit. Remember he got the "armadillo" abs in that one.

I moaned when I saw Bale's Begins suit. I SOO wish they had left the rubber behind, especially after Dead End (seen above) proved the cloth costume could work on screen. BUT, Begins gave a damn good, believable explanation of the hows and whys of the suit, and it just makes sense. In todays world, it's harder to swallow jumping into a hale of bullets in pantyhose.

Chris

[Brue]

Warrior - I agree the only problem is you then have to fill the tights.

I think ths new suit is no better and no worse than the last one.

And I don't care for it.

I think you can go rubber as long as you keep it simple like the keaton one.

[Wolverine1969]

Yep, that's a Batman suit alright.

[Megotu]

I kind of like the explanation that it was originally designed as a US Military battlesuit that was scuttled. It makes sense. And even in the comic books, Batman had mentioned that his suit was at times made of Nomex and kevlar and other exotic materials. TDKR even had him explaining the yellow signal on his chest as a target for the steel shock plate.

[megojim]

I too thought they gave a good "story" to Bale's suit in Begins. This one, it's ok, I just don't know why they have to trick it up another level each time . . . in the first three batman movies it eventually led to nipples!!!
Simpler is better!

[thunderbolt]

I don't mind it being an armor, but just once I wish they'd try using the black and grey.

[Hulk]

They should make him wear the cloth outfit beneath the armor, and just once when he doesn't have enough time to change into the full outfit, he has to go running around in his black and grey long johns. :crazy:

[Meule]

I too prefer the cloth costume like in Dead End, but I have to agree the armor makes more sense. But keep it simple then like Keaton's first suit. This new and 'improved" suit seems a little too high tech to me. But at least it doesn't have any nipples :grin:
And as long as the story is good I can live with it

[Hector]

He looks like a cape-wearing RoboCop.

[The Bat]

I don't mind it being an armor, but just once I wish they'd try using the black and grey.

YES!!! That's something I've been saying, as well...for a long time! I don't mind the Armor either, it makes sense...but why not make it black & grey? That way the Bat Symbol on His Chest would stand out more! Along with Gloves, Boots, Cape & Mask. Come'on Mr.Nolan...it's a small thing to ask!:angry:

[Dave Mc]

Sandy nailed the Batman look for me in Dead End. It worked, it looked cool, would love to see it in a major motion picture.

For some reason with each and every Bat flick they feel they have to upgrade the suit. The suit starts to be the focus and not the man underneath.

[EMCE Hammer]

He looks like a cape-wearing RoboCop.

I was going to say Stormtrooper, but RoboCop is a better description. For some reason, it seems WB just can't get Batman right. Of all the Superhero stuff of the past 20-30 years, I think the batsuits are the worst.

John Wesley Shipp Flash
Reeves/Routh/Caine Superman
Daredevil
Elektra
Punisher
Spider-man
Ghost Rider
FF

I don't really like the X-men outfits, but I can't say I think they're bad.

[huedell]

As much as I have a coonection to the "old" idea of what a superhero suit
usually is---I'm finished with being connected to "stocking" or "spandex"
suits.

To me, the Dead End film, if anything, proves how shaky the concept of the
"cloth" suit is. I think Dead End pulled it off okay in some respects, but in the
end, it looks flimsy to me (both literally & figuratively) and the only way I
could see that suit work now is if it was a 1930s/40s period piece as it
would blend better with a more archaic "classic" surrounding, and not in
modern 2007 (and beyond) times

And, as far as the new updated TDK Batsuit--I think some minor changes are
always needed--if for anything----to give a new film its own identity away
from its predecessor. Altho' the one that was shown may be too extremely
different. Its of note to mention Darth Vader's costume changed every
movie----but---obviously a lot more subtly.

[phil]

I agree with everyone who would like to see the traditional gray and black
costume. There is a reason why it's been used over the years. It works!!

The new look smacks of merchandising potential more than anything else.
Maybe now he'll be able to turn his head easily.

Why do filmmakers have to change everything? That's rhetorical.

[Brue]

I too thought they gave a good "story" to Bale's suit in Begins. This one, it's ok, I just don't know why they have to trick it up another level each time . . . in the first three batman movies it eventually led to nipples!!!
Simpler is better!

And why is it that in the fourth Batman Batman and Robin hav e nipples but batgirl doesn't?

[Vortigern99]

I think the ol' gray-n-black cloth works fine on the printed page, but it doesn't pan out on film because questions of logic arise: Why would Batman expose himself so vulnerably to knives, blunt instruments and firearms? It just makes sense that he would wear some kind of body armor.

The salient change with this suit is that, for the first time in a modern Batman film, the actor inside can actually move his neck and head. And for me, the repositioning of the ears and the solidifying of the jawline make this a much more comic-book authentic design than in Batman Begins.

Now if they could only re-think the Joker and make HIM more authentic to the comics, all my fears would be allayed....

[ABMAC]

Funny how Batman prowled the streets of Gotham for fifty years without the need for body armour, instead relying on his own speed and agility to protect him from deadly foes.

Body armour actually makes Batman look incompetent.

[kingdom warrior]

Funny how Batman prowled the streets of Gotham for fifty years without the need for body armour, instead relying on his own speed and agility to protect him from deadly foes.

Body armour actually makes Batman look incompetent.


The voice of Reason Thanks Ant!

It's a movie about a comic book character..who walks around in a Batsuit! Hello noone in real life does that so all truth and logic from the real world is suspended....Batman Begins was the best opportunity to showcase him in the comic suit....

[Meule]

Funny how Batman prowled the streets of Gotham for fifty years without the need for body armour, instead relying on his own speed and agility to protect him from deadly foes.

Body armour actually makes Batman look incompetent.

True, he did survive without a body armor, but he did get beat up, cut, stabbed and even shot a lot. He must have stitches all over his body.
No matter how you feel about it, the armor really does make more sense

[ABMAC]

True, he did survive without a body armor, but he did get beat up, cut, stabbed and even shot a lot. He must have stitches all over his body.
No matter how you feel about it, the armor really does make more sense

His vulnerability is one of the things I like about Batman. He can be hurt, but he doesn't give up, he just pushes himself to do better. It's that attitude that made him decide to become Batman in the first place.

[The Toyroom]

True, he did survive without a body armor, but he did get beat up, cut, stabbed and even shot a lot. He must have stitches all over his body.
No matter how you feel about it, the armor really does make more sense

There's a good Alex Ross black and white pin-up that shows the scars Bruce Wayne has endured over the years as Batman...and like ABMAC said, he doesn't give up and goes out there night after night taking whatever the criminals of Gotham dish out at him. It's what makes him Batman...not the fact that he's a millionaire that can buy the best body armor. His "wonderful" toys are just that... but are secondary to the man that is willing to get the crap kicked out of him if need be just to get the job done and protect the streets of Gotham. Batman is much scarier to criminals if he appears to be just a man who somehow frightens the beejeezus out of them as opposed to someone who's all souped up in high tech body armor.:yeah:
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[huedell]

His vulnerability is one of the things I like about Batman. He can be hurt, but he doesn't give up, he just pushes himself to do better. It's that attitude that made him decide to become Batman in the first place.

I can respect that you like that aspect about Batman and stick by the idea
of the cloth costume.

It makes for good drama & character the way you're pitching it

And I guess I'd accept that idea more if, like I said in my first post,
it was a period piece set in the 30s or 40s

And, I'm sincere about that---- believe me

Batman may have been fighting for 40 years in the comics in
a cloth suit, but the time has come to re-evaluate the characters
weaponry---at least in the movies

In present day, "man in a bat suit fantastical already" or not, I still think it
looks silly

However, I still like the idea of coordinating the "newer looking"
suits to look as much like the "older iconic ones" as possible, retaining what
we like about 'em, sure, but bulking 'em up to give them a more
plausible look for 2007

That's a challenge and not everyone's gonna agree on that, just like
everyone won't agree on "cloth vs. rubber/armor"

[AusTex]

Not saying it's good or bad. From a toy perspective this type of suit allows the injection molded figures to have a ton of industrial/ body armor looking details. Easy for toy designers/ engineers/ mold makers to create and capture. Makes for great eye candy in the toy isle for today's kids.

[ABMAC]

Are you saying all that detail makes it easier to camouflage a mediocre sculpt? :grin:

[Customslab]

it ok with me after seeing 4 or 5 movies with a suit like this i'm use to it now

[AusTex]

Are you saying all that detail makes it easier to camouflage a mediocre sculpt? :grin:

You got it Anthony. Today's toy scuplts are very geometric looking because it is easy to create in all the computer design programs (pencil sketching is becoming extinct) and easier to send to China and virtually no translation to become mass produced 3D toys.

[joshvox]

I hate just about everything from the previous batman movies (other than begins) including the outfits. This is nothing like that, other than there are rubber in both of them. I guess if you don't really look at it, there isn't much difference from the last movie, but the fact that he will actually be able to turn his head is a huge difference itself. There are also quite a few other changes as well. What Nolan is aiming for (whether you think he is doing it or not) is realism--at least as much as possible. If you think about that, the suit makes a ton of sense--cloth doesn't. Maybe someday there will be a strict interpretation of that batman--but this isn't it--and isn't meant to be I don't think. It's meant to be as real as possible, while respecting the history of the character (i.e. no killing etc) And, on top of that, the first movie was awesome and the suit looks totally bad *** (in my opinion). However, if they mess the Joker up again (see Batman '89), I'll be the first one to say Nolan is an idiot. But right now, for me, he is pushing all the right buttons.

[ABMAC]

You got it Anthony. Today's toy scuplts are very geometric looking because it is easy to create in all the computer design programs (pencil sketching is becoming extinct) and easier to send to China and virtually no translation to become mass produced 3D toys.

And that's exactly why I rarely buy new toys. Style has replaced substance.


I hate just about everything from the previous batman movies (other than begins) including the outfits. This is nothing like that, other than there are rubber in both of them. I guess if you don't really look at it, there isn't much difference from the last movie, but the fact that he will actually be able to turn his head is a huge difference itself. There are also quite a few other changes as well. What Nolan is aiming for (whether you think he is doing it or not) is realism--at least as much as possible. If you think about that, the suit makes a ton of sense--cloth doesn't. Maybe someday there will be a strict interpretation of that batman--but this isn't it--and isn't meant to be I don't think. It's meant to be as real as possible, while respecting the history of the character (i.e. no killing etc) And, on top of that, the first movie was awesome and the suit looks totally bad *** (in my opinion). However, if they mess the Joker up again (see Batman '89), I'll be the first one to say Nolan is an idiot. But right now, for me, he is pushing all the right buttons.

You keep saying that body armour is more realistic, but a cop who started wearing body armour on his regular beat every day would look like a complete coward. What's the point of all that training if Batman is going to stand there and let the suit absorb all the damage? If you're going to put Batman in body armour that makes him invincible, you might as well paint him blue and red and call him Superman.

[huedell]

You keep saying that body armour is more realistic, but a cop who started wearing body armour on his regular beat every day would look like a complete coward.

Another way of looking at it would be...wouldn't the cop look a lot more
menacing with body armor? And isn't "menacing" a lot of what the Batman
character is about?

Also one reason, I'd venture, everyday cops don't wear special body armor
is that it would be expensive and cumbersome---and, to me, the theory on
why that wouldn't phase Bruce Wayne is because he's rich enough to make
custom body armor to his exact specifications to be functional.

Another way of saying that would be----if Bruce is rich enough to have
the best protection, then, why not? He's still a great fighter and overall
physical specimen

If you're saying that the BAD GUYS would look at the cloth suit and be more
surprised and intimidated that a guy in a mere cloth suit could be so
powerful and resourceful, then that's food for thought

And maybe bad guys really think Batman is a wimp for wearing body armor---
but you know, I never thought of it that way

It's make for a good piece of dialogue in a movie though :)

If you're saying that the armor takes away from Batman's vulnerability from
a writer's (and consequently, an audience's) point of view----I respect that
----but Batman is still human underneath that armor, and because of that,
to me, has enough vulnerability to impact the character to a decent extent
as it stands

[Meule]

His vulnerability is one of the things I like about Batman. He can be hurt, but he doesn't give up, he just pushes himself to do better. It's that attitude that made him decide to become Batman in the first place.


There's a good Alex Ross black and white pin-up that shows the scars Bruce Wayne has endured over the years as Batman...and like ABMAC said, he doesn't give up and goes out there night after night taking whatever the criminals of Gotham dish out at him. It's what makes him Batman...not the fact that he's a millionaire that can buy the best body armor. His "wonderful" toys are just that... but are secondary to the man that is willing to get the crap kicked out of him if need be just to get the job done and protect the streets of Gotham. Batman is much scarier to criminals if he appears to be just a man who somehow frightens the beejeezus out of them as opposed to someone who's all souped up in high tech body armor.:yeah:
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Anthony and Anthony, I get your point and you don't need to convince me, big Batman fan here. ;)
However, the weaponry of the villains has changed a lot over the years. The days of simple knives and guns are long gone, it's more high tech now, so it only makes sense to protect yourself a little better. Batman did it in the comics as well, either with armor or kevlar or whatnot.
I'm not saying I like it, I'd rather have a Batman Dead End like suit, but the armor makes more sense in todays high tech world and I guess it's more credible too. Who in his right mind would subject himself to that kinda danger without proper protection. Nolan's Batman is more like a real hero, someone that could actually exist, and less like a comic hero that's invincible and can do anything.

[brineb]

I would prefer the classic black and grey in cloth, but I am so used to the movie version being black rubber, that I don't dislike it ... I just wish the bat on his chest stood out more.

[The Bat]

I just wish the bat on his chest stood out more.


Yup! That's a small thing to ask...but it would look great! Make the Symbol BLACK!