What's your definition of a "Super Hero"?

[HardyGirl]

Although I don't like them now, when I was a kid, I loved Superheroes (DC, Spidey and Hulk). I don't much like them anymore, (Ok, some exceptions, but not enough to own any memoribilia), but I do like good guys I don't really consider "Super Heroes". To me, (and this is just my personal opinion), super heroes meet certain criteria:

1) They have a real identity and a secret identity.
2)They wear costumes.
3) In most cases, they have super powers (save Batman & Robin, or Electra Woman & Dyna Girl).
4) Although they have been known to aid the police, many of them are vigilanties.
5) They have well known super foes or villains.

Two characters I don't consider Super Heroes are The Six Million Dollar Man, and The Hulk.

Steve Austin doesn't have a secret identity. Many people in this story situation know him as an astronaut. Others know him as a secret agent. While he does possess super strength, it wasn't something he was born w/ or developed as he grew older. It was bestowed upon him thru the wonders of science and skilled surgery. And he doesn't wear costumes, or have super foes.

The Hulk was an accident of science. He doesn't like being the Hulk, he wants to find a way to cure himself. While he does have a secret and real identity, it's not to protect his image as a hero, it's to protect him from being killed for being a monster and a murderer (according to the series). In the TV series, he can't even remember what happens when he's the Hulk, only the last thing he was supposed to do as David Banner.

I'd like to know your take on this.

[The Toyroom]

Two characters I don't consider Super Heroes are The Six Million Dollar Man, and The Hulk. Steve Austin doesn't have super foes.

What about Maskatron, Bigfoot or Barney Miller the 7 Million Dollar Man?


The Hulk was an accident of science.

So were Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, The Flash and countless others.
Although more often than not a reluctant one, the Hulk IS a super-hero (moreso than he is a super-villain)....founding member of The Avengers as well as The Defenders ain't too shabby. And the Hulk has many, many super-foes such as The Abomination, The Leader, Harpy, Bi-Beast, Wendigo, Tyrannus, The Toad Men....)

If most of your familiarity with the Hulk is from the 70s TV show I can see where your opinion is somewhat skewed, because the show operated nothing like the comic book.

[HardyGirl]

Ok, I'll give you the villains in SMDM, but as for The Hulk, I do have a lot of the 60's cartoon series as well, and he really didn't like being the Hulk and was pursued more than he saved people. I never did get that whole Avengers thing anyway, I thought it was too much of a departure from the original storyline. And you're right, I do draw on the TV seies w/ Bixby/Ferrigno, b/c it was my first exposure to the Hulk (the cartoon being my second when it aired in reruns), and it really tells good stories.

[Comic Book Geek]

Hmm. Honestly, although all of your superhero criteria is iconic, I'd say none of it is essential. I can find examples of characters that would be considered superheroes that would be contrary to your list... although I'm not sure I can find one example that doesn't comply with at least part of your list.

[Mikey]

My definition:

Must have "SUPER POWERS" to be a super hero, whether the powers were man made or not.

Batman is NOT a super hero.
Neither is Ironman

[The Toyroom]

Batman NOT a super hero? Blasphemy! And I think Iron Man has paid his dues as well and meets the criteria:wink_y:

[DocDrako]

For me if the character does heroic things using abilitites that the average person doesn't possess, man made or not, I consider them a superhero.

For me the "super" in superhero stands for superhuman, or a level of ability to help that the average human doesn't possess.

:grin:

[toys2cool]

I gotta go with saving lives and fighting the villains,I mean you have to be strong and maybe not have your identity revealed,like having some mystery to the character.I do consider Batman a huge superhero(since for the most part he's always saving the entire Gotham city),but that's just my take on what I like to see in my superheros
1-Good guy
2-strength
3-secret identity

[phil]

I would consider Doc Savage a super hero even though he doesn't meet some of the criteria. Actually Doc is probably the first super hero in the way
most people think of the term.

Besides I really like the character and wanted to give him some praise here.:biggrin:

[huedell]

Maybe a superhero is simply a man that consciously goes out hunting for
criminals (or other kindsa law breakers), and does it outside of regular
law enforcement...and you could possibly add "he does it free of charge"?

Like, that would make the A-Team superheroes---so um I don't know how
good my definition is :)

[The Toyroom]

Like, that would make the A-Team superheroes---so um I don't know how
good my definition is :)

Uh, yeah not so good then... cause I don't think of the A-Team as "super-heroes".

[huedell]

Uh, yeah not so good then... cause I don't think of the A-Team as "super-heroes".

i'm on the fence myself...cause I felt SO close with that definition

hmmm...

Maybe add that they have to have a dramatic costume to my previous definition?

That may cover it.

Then again B.A. Baracus still may have made the cut ;)

[Meule]

Batman is NOT a super hero.

:shocked2::shocked2::shocked2::shocked2::shocked2:
How dare you, blasphemer :angry:

String him up :silly:
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i'm on the fence myself...cause I felt SO close with that definition

hmmm...

Maybe add that they have to have a dramatic costume to my previous definition?

That may cover it.

Then again B.A. Baracus still may have made the cut ;)

So would Murdoc and Hannibal has been known to wear disguises too

[huedell]

So would Murdoc and Hannibal has been known to wear disguises too


Yeah---sigh----I know people might disagree on the whole, but it's kinda
like, I feel that the A-TEAM might actually be superheroes in my opinion---
but they sure don't look like it in the conventional sense

Not to blaspheme the Batman fans twice in one thread, but it seems like
what the A-Team does and what Batman does aren't that far removed

Same thing for, like, Michael Knight----but that government thing---
(Kinght Rider works for the government I believe) that goes against what
I said about getting paid in my first post

I wonder----does Capt. America get paid by the government
for being Capt. America?

[Hulk]

To me a Superhero is someone who has extraordinary abilities, natural or otherwise, who regularly sacrifices their own self interests for the sake of others.

Putting too many qualifications on the definition only serves to limit your imagination, and basically eliminates some of the best examples of them. The beauty of superheroes is being able to see the good in others despite their weaknesses. Heroism or superheroism is just an amplification of characteristics we would like to aspire to, and to a large degree, that the best deeds often come with negative consequences.

Ultimately it is their humanity that appeals to us, that we all have chances in life to do heroic things , and these fictional characters allow us to explore that.

In many ways Supervillians serve the same purpose, helping us to define our own morality, as individuals and as a society. Deep, huh?

[huedell]

Hulk---simpler definitions on anything really is the way to go
your definition seems to nail it nicely

and the rest of the stuff you said about a hero and villain's parallel
to humanity's moral compass/spectrum rings dead on to me as well

THATS why I've become a deeply interested superhero fan over the last
18 years or so

Specifically, a fan of Superman as an icon defined a lot by his various morals
most poignantly, for me, his code against killing at all costs

but many superheroes and villains fill in other niches as well

Just for one example I find the Joker's fascination with chaos and
(to a lesser extent) lack of emapthy to be intriguing as far as villains go
It seems the Joker really embodies alot of evil to me, the black to
Superman's white----they may not normally go up against
each other in the comics etc., but as far as DC & Marvel characters
go----they are my favorites because of the whole moral icon thing

[The Toyroom]

To me a Superhero is someone who has extraordinary abilities, natural or otherwise, who regularly sacrifices their own self interests for the sake of others.

That's it in a nutshell, folks....nice and simple...gets the job done without putting restrictions on/eliminating anyone because of lack of "powers".:yeah:

[huedell]

now define "extraordinary" ;)

[The Sentry]

My personal defintion of a super hero is a person who was normal on the surface then one day something happened to them to change their life forever, then they themselves decide what they want to do with what happened to them, they either try to be a better person or they choose to be a menace.

Hulk knows right from wrong. He has the brain of a 4 year old (depending on which Hulk we are talking about here there are 5 different Hulks 3 are good 2 are baaaaad in ways that scare even me and he's my favorite comic book hero!) Hulk is very gentle to where deer and rabbits will come and eat from his hands, where animals like that scurry and run from the beast known as "Man" (The Lawgiver rules!:grin:) He has a very big heart and wants to do the right thing but people are scared ignorant things that bring the worst out in wonderful and "Incredible" things. (Just ask King Kong)

Heroes mostly are tormented, having very large crosses to bear and dealing with everyday problems as well as the wicked idividuals that try to make days bad for everyone else to profit on.

The PERFECT example of a SUPER HERO is my screenames sake "The Sentry"
totally idestructible but he has a dark side, the void. Most of the appeal to a Hero like this is how much he has on his shoulders and has to deal with daily.

For the most part I consider Judge Dredd to be one helluva hero he dosen't have superpowers but he has a willpower like none other.
Sometimes willpower is all you need in a dark and dismal world like the one we live in and in the world of comics.

Truthly, I would rather be normal and not have the hassle (although I would love to have the Hulks power, hell, who wouldn't?) Life sucks enough sometimes without having supervillans making it worse!

Comics show us in a way how good we really have it, as normal people and if that message is clear in the story with the character, well then that's good enough for me.

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

-Superheroes are bigger than life: They engage in adventures and situations far beyond those you'd expect in real life. They save the world, they uncover deep reaching sisnister plots, they change the course of mighty rivers....

-Superheroes are iconic. They represent an idea rather than a person. Batman is NOT a character; no matter which version, or who's writing him. He's an idea... he's the need for justice within us all. A REAL person who led a twenty year crusade against crime because of the trauma of his parent's death would develop all sorts of problems. (I shouldn't say that.... some aspiring comic writer might read it and then we'll have to put up with "Batman: The Bedwetting Years" or somesuch...)

-Following from the above; they're not subject to the same sort of circumstances real people are. And when they ARE; it's a bigger than life thing. Lonely Superman flees to his frozen base to contemplate the world... he doesn't just grab a hankie and crank one out. (I probably shouldn't have mentined THAT either....) If they WERE subject to the same rules, laws and psychology we are, would they be able to wear their undies outside their tights? I think not.

Don C.
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>For the most part I consider Judge Dredd to be one helluva hero he dosen't have superpowers but he has a willpower like none other.

Dredd has the BEST superpower: "win." That's what he does, and the best stroies were written with this in mind. As soon as Dredd showed up, the story was over; the entertainment came from watching the reactions of the crooks, or the insane odds Dredd would overcome. (He beat the Devil, not by outwitting him; but with a stick.... until he gave up. No THAT'S tough!)

Willpower can be a superpower too. Plus, Dredd has equipment rivaling Batman's, and access to insane levels of medical tech. (PLUS: Prior to the Judge Kraken thing he had cybernetic eyes with lowlight, IR and targeting.)

>Heroes mostly are tormented, having very large crosses to bear and dealing with everyday problems as well as the wicked idividuals that try to make days bad for everyone else to profit on.

Well.... that's sort of a newer thing. This was Marvel's schtick when they started in the 60's. But I don't think it's neccessary to have tormented heroes.

Don C.